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Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby above us only sky » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:27 am

https://youtu.be/akOHzA7mb50

"We Will Follow You Only" (Chosŏn'gŭl: 우리는 당신밖에 모른다) is a North Korean hymn dedicated to the country's leader Kim Jong-un. The song was first released on the Korean Central Television in 2013, every North Korean has to sing it.

Here is the lyric:
He is the driving force behind our world
In his embrace he holds the people's fate
His ideals are our dreams and hope
Which will make all our flowers bloom
We know nobody, but You, Great Comrade Kim Jong Un!
We wil be loyal to You, Great Comrade Kim Jong Un!
His brilliant ideals represent our goal
The Brilliant Commander's will, the people's victory
Along the only road he marked
Ten million advance like a storm
We know nobody, but You, Great Comrade Kim Jong Un!
We will be loyal to You, Great Comrade Kim Jong Un!
Even if heaven and earth change
You remain in our hearts
To the end in both life and death
We will uphold his leadership
We know nobody, but You, Great Comrade Kim Jong Un!
We will be loyal to You, Great Comrade Kim Jong Un!


To be honest, North Korean has the best religious music.

If you replace the word 'Kim Jong Un' with the word 'father', then this song will be a very good Christian song both in its melody and its lyrics.

Follow this logic, Is God the geatest dictator?

According to the Old Testment, he is, therefore a good Christian should overthrown him;

Any Christian who refuse to overthrown God is not a good Christian;

if a Christian can not overthrown God, at least he should flee from God and refuse to obey him as many people in North Korea has done :shock: :shock:

Is there any Christian here that can defeat my arguement? 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:05 pm

First off, it may be either "should dethrone" or "should overthrow".
Is English your second language?
What God are you discussing here?
You won't find many Christians in the religious forum.
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:05 pm

Yes, a good Christian would take the judgement seat at God right hand and replace God as judge of mankind.

That is what Jesus did and what all good Christians should do.

Unfortunately, it seems that the only good Christians are Gnostic Christians as we seem to be the only type of Christian to follow what Jesus tells us to do in scriptures.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

That good news is what frees us from religious dogma and traditions but most Christians wish to be slaves to their God instead of his master the way Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians strive to be.

Philosopher Allan Watts recognized the truth of the good news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:07 pm

Ierrellus wrote:First off, it may be either "should dethrone" or "should overthrow".
Is English your second language?
What God are you discussing here?
You won't find many Christians in the religious forum.


True, they tend to run from intelligent discourse, but if you are to correct our friends grammar, you should at least opine on his question.

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:49 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:First off, it may be either "should dethrone" or "should overthrow".
Is English your second language?
What God are you discussing here?
You won't find many Christians in the religious forum.


True, they tend to run from intelligent discourse, but if you are to correct our friends grammar, you should at least opine on his question.

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True. I should have abstained from commenting in an all too religious bashing forum. Bye, from one "who tends to run from intelligent discourse".
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby phyllo » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:55 pm

True. I should have abstained from commenting in an all too religious bashing forum. Bye, from one "who tends to run from intelligent discourse".
The bashing would be okay if it was intelligent bashing. :evilfun:
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:52 pm

phyllo wrote:
True. I should have abstained from commenting in an all too religious bashing forum. Bye, from one "who tends to run from intelligent discourse".
The bashing would be okay if it was intelligent bashing. :evilfun:


Can a mind who believes in talking serpents and donkeys and who adores a genocidal son murdering prick of a God recognize intelligent thought?

I doubt it.

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby phyllo » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:12 pm

Can a mind who believes in talking serpents and donkeys and who adores a genocidal son murdering prick of a God recognize intelligent thought?
That's a stereotype which you seem to like. #-o
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:56 pm

phyllo wrote:
Can a mind who believes in talking serpents and donkeys and who adores a genocidal son murdering prick of a God recognize intelligent thought?
That's a stereotype which you seem to like. #-o


They are what they are.

I would not say I like them.

I would say I fell sorry for such minds. They are a disgrace to the human race.

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:44 pm

Perhaps my farewell was premature. It seems all too convenient that a thread that appears as an attack on a certain type of Christian fundamentalism should advocate GIA's version of Gnosticism. It seemed inconvenient for AUOS to explain to us--
1. Who is this enthroned deity, and how did he become enthroned?
2. How or in what way is this ruling deity anything like Kim Jong Un?
3, How is this deity in any way responsible for what his followers do or say?
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:50 pm

God is the worlds most brutal terrorist, and the world's most fearsome dictator.

God is so savage he makes Osama Bin Laden look like a goodie-two shoes.
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby phyllo » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:59 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Perhaps my farewell was premature. It seems all too convenient that a thread that appears as an attack on a certain type of Christian fundamentalism should advocate GIA's version of Gnosticism. It seemed inconvenient for AUOS to explain to us--
1. Who is this enthroned deity, and how did he become enthroned?
2. How or in what way is this ruling deity anything like Kim Jong Un?
3, How is this deity in any way responsible for what his followers do or say?
He talks about Christians but his only reference is to the Old Testament. You know that's a routine atheist attack.
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:14 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:God is the worlds most brutal terrorist, and the world's most fearsome dictator.

God is so savage he makes Osama Bin Laden look like a goodie-two shoes.
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What God do you have in mind?
Should be world's both times used. :P
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:27 pm

The human mind is the world's most brutal terrorist and the world's most fearsome dictator. The mind is also our last, best hope to save ourselves from ourselves.
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:29 pm

Ierrellus wrote:The human mind is the world's most brutal terrorist and the world's most fearsome dictator. The mind is also our last, best hope to save ourselves from ourselves.


Our own minds are our last, best hope for peace. And the greatest instigator of war.

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:33 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:The human mind is the world's most brutal terrorist and the world's most fearsome dictator. The mind is also our last, best hope to save ourselves from ourselves.


Our own minds are our last, best hope for peace. And the greatest instigator of war.


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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:56 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Perhaps my farewell was premature. It seems all too convenient that a thread that appears as an attack on a certain type of Christian fundamentalism should advocate GIA's version of Gnosticism. It seemed inconvenient for AUOS to explain to us--
1. Who is this enthroned deity, and how did he become enthroned?
2. How or in what way is this ruling deity anything like Kim Jong Un?
3, How is this deity in any way responsible for what his followers do or say?


What is a AUOS?

Who said there was an enthroned deity?

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:59 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:God is the worlds most brutal terrorist, and the world's most fearsome dictator.

God is so savage he makes Osama Bin Laden look like a goodie-two shoes.
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Indeed. If real, he would be condemned by all moral people.

Strange how such a God can be adored by so many who do not seem to have a moral sense.

Perhaps that is why whenever I try to get theists to look at Yahweh's morals, they always run away singing ---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo


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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:05 pm

phyllo wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:Perhaps my farewell was premature. It seems all too convenient that a thread that appears as an attack on a certain type of Christian fundamentalism should advocate GIA's version of Gnosticism. It seemed inconvenient for AUOS to explain to us--
1. Who is this enthroned deity, and how did he become enthroned?
2. How or in what way is this ruling deity anything like Kim Jong Un?
3, How is this deity in any way responsible for what his followers do or say?
He talks about Christians but his only reference is to the Old Testament. You know that's a routine atheist attack.


Untrue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUfGRN4HVrQ


Jesus' substitutionary atonement and no divorce for women policies are quite immoral as well.

Care to engage in a discussion on the lack of morality in religious moral tenets?

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby phyllo » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:25 pm

Care to engage in a discussion on the lack of morality in religious moral tenets?
No moral system is going to please everyone. There will always be somebody who says that it ought to be different. It's not limited to the moral systems described by religions.
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:07 pm

phyllo wrote:
Care to engage in a discussion on the lack of morality in religious moral tenets?
No moral system is going to please everyone. There will always be somebody who says that it ought to be different. It's not limited to the moral systems described by religions.


True, but few of us think that good morals can be attributed to a genocidal son murdering God or a Rome created pacifist and Roman ass kissing Jesus.

Good of you not to want to defend Christian morality. I would have wiped the floor with you.

Most Christians know that and that is why you see them run from such discussions.

They know, as John Lennon said, that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby phyllo » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:15 pm

True, but few of us think that good morals can be attributed to a genocidal son murdering God or a Rome created pacifist and Roman ass kissing Jesus.

Good of you not to want to defend Christian morality. I would have wiped the floor with you.

Most Christians know that and that is why you see them run from such discussions.

They know, as John Lennon said, that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.
If I was to get involved in such a discussion with you, then it would have to amount to more than you just saying that your morals are superior to some other morals.

You brought up divorce so let's use that as an example. You say that divorce is moral and someone says that it's immoral. Do you have any reasoning to support your claim?

(And I'm not interested in watching YouTube videos, so use your own words, please)
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:46 am

Greatest I am wrote:
phyllo wrote:
Care to engage in a discussion on the lack of morality in religious moral tenets?
No moral system is going to please everyone. There will always be somebody who says that it ought to be different. It's not limited to the moral systems described by religions.


True, but few of us think that good morals can be attributed to a genocidal son murdering God or a Rome created pacifist and Roman ass kissing Jesus.

Good of you not to want to defend Christian morality. I would have wiped the floor with you.

Most Christians know that and that is why you see them run from such discussions.

They know, as John Lennon said, that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

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Question. Why do Gnostic Christians call themselves Christians if they hate Christ?
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:27 pm

Still no words from AUOS (above us only sky). Isn't this his/her thread?
Most progressive Christians will find the morality of God/Jesus as espoused by their fundamentalist counterparts immoral. So what?
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Re: Should a good Christian overthrown God?

Postby phyllo » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:36 pm

Most progressive Christians will find the morality of God/Jesus as espoused by their fundamentalist counterparts immoral. So what?
Are you're making a distinction between "the morality of God/Jesus" and "the morality of God/Jesus as espoused by their fundamentalist counterparts".
If so, what is it?
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