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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:09 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
Humans believe in an afterlife because they dont like the reality they are living in

I contend that there is no afterlife for your consciousness never dies? What then? If you think this world is indifferent to your likes, your wants, what about an eternity of places that are all indifferent to your existence?
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:13 am

Wendy wrote:
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Humans believe in an afterlife because they dont like the reality they are living in

If you think this world is indifferent to your likes your wants what about an eternity of places that are all indifferent to your existence

What I think of this world is irrelevant because reality does not care what I think of it and imagining different and better realities is not going to change that at all
If you do not like the fact that you are not going to live for ever you should simply accept it as that is all you can do. No one who is dead worries about being dead
That tells me that I should not worry about it either so I dont. I am now as free as it is possible to be because I have no fear of death. Why do you feel the need to
create an imaginary afterlife? Why not focus on the life you have? Or are you afraid that if you discovered the afterlife did not really exist that it would some how
make you a different person? You would still be who you are on a fundamental level even if was a shock to you initially. From what you say here I think you are on
balance way more good than bad so that would not change even if your worldview did. Who one is psychologically and who one is philosophically are not the same
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:11 pm

s57,
No one is dead as you said, that's the situation and it means consciousness forever...no rest...no reprieve. There is no imaginary afterlife, just a continuation of this life in a different form. Why does that not compute? Why are you skirting the issue I am bringing up? You will not die as you think. You will not turn to the nothingness of dust, so gear up for more of whatever you are doing to get by for it's going to be done for quite awhile and then another thousand years and another thousand years add infinitude. There is no "out", no exit from this stageplay, it goes on and on, understand?
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Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:23 pm

I see you have provided zero evidence for the afterlife but apparently think I must accept it just because you say so
I dont accept something exists on that basis and as you have nothing else to convince me I have to reject the notion
The only thing that survives after your death is the energy you were made from but you will be dead for all eternity
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:40 pm

You have no evidence for what you believe either. That energy that survives is your consciousness, the spark of life, and you will still be...thinking but without your human body.
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:10 pm

I do not believe in any thing at all because I have no need for belief. I do however think death is eternal because there is zero evidence to suggest otherwise
And the energy that survives after death is not consciousness but simply physical energy. The notion that consciousness can survive death is just pure wibble
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:16 pm

Boy are you gonna be surprised! :lol: Remember (don't forget again, damn it!), I told you so! :evilfun:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:45 pm

Do you think that I am going to be surprised by something you think is true just because you want it to be
I am too old to be surprised by anything but I am planning on staying dead forever when I leave this world
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:48 pm

Good luck with trying to will yourself out of existence! :lol:
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:09 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Knowing God directly is better for me. God is not only about love...he is about all of the emotions for he created them all. Are you refuting the Old Testament Erik?


I am not refuting the Old Testament. God clearly was there for the Israelites in a special way. God did lead them out of Egypt and made them His chosen people, but I simply reject certain elements of the Old Testament stories, due to them not being of the nature of God.

God is love. It is one of the most important aspects of who He is.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:11 pm

What other aspects make God who he is?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:12 pm

When I am dead I will have no will but as I will have no need for one by then then it is not really a problem
I cannot will myself out of existence even now when I do have one and so either way it makes no difference
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:16 pm

Sorry, but you are going to live forever s57. God kept his word and killed no one to my knowledge. Sure their human flesh bag dies but their conscious soul lives on.

If you knew that you weren't ever going to die, how would you make the most out of living? Human life defines time which keeps eternal beings sane.
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:18 pm

WendyDarling wrote:What other aspects make God who he is?


His Holiness (which emanates from His love), His Justice, His omnipotence, and His never-ending glory.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:20 pm

I'm eternal too. And boy am I exhausted.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:22 pm

Sharing your goodness is being just...justice.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:23 pm

Erik_ wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:What other aspects make God who he is?


His Holiness (which emanates from His love), His Justice, His omnipotence, and His never-ending glory.


Hi Erik,

How are things going for you? :evilfun:

What do YOU mean by God's Holiness here?
What do YOU see as God's greatest attribute or aspect?
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:24 pm

Actually, God's highest, greatest power resides in Peace and it is an emotion made up of Love and Joy. His holiness or wholeness is found in his Peace.

(I am such a budinski. :evilfun: )
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:37 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Erik_ wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:What other aspects make God who he is?


His Holiness (which emanates from His love), His Justice, His omnipotence, and His never-ending glory.


Hi Erik,

How are things going for you?

What do YOU mean by God's Holiness here?
What do YOU see as God's greatest attribute or aspect?


God's Holiness is His being set-apart from all that is toxic, vulgar, and evil. This being set-apart is based in His love, His love for what is beautiful and good. When you love what is beautiful and good, you will naturally avoid, or set yourself apart from what is toxic, vulgar, and evil.

God's Holiness (being set-apart) emanates from His love, His love for what is beautiful and good.

God's love is His most important aspect.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:39 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Actually, God's highest, greatest power resides in Peace and it is an emotion made up of Love and Joy. His holiness or wholeness is found in his Peace.

(I am such a budinski. :evilfun: )


You can feel free to butt in whenever you choose, Wendy. :mrgreen:

I think that for many Peace would be God's greatest attribute. You would share that with them.
But I seem to think that it also depends on each individual ~~ what it is that they value most and desire most.
It's a highly personal thing and i don't think that we all share the same sense about that.

For me, though, I am an agnostic, it would be God's creativity and God's inner beauty which shows in nature and the universe.
For others, it would be omniscience or omnipotence, ad continuum. God is our oyster.

I think that we can say: God's greatest aspect or attribute TO ME but I don't think that we can assign OUR intuitions and feelings about our personal relationship with God to others, Wendy.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:43 pm

He created all. How is he set apart? He favors some creations over others as he favors Jesus over Lucifer, but God is not only beautiful and good even though he favors those qualities.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:44 pm

Thanks Arc, but God's height, the pinnacle of Heaven, it is not my opinion, it's my experience in astral projecting.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:03 pm

WendyDarling wrote:He created all. How is he set apart? He favors some creations over others as he favors Jesus over Lucifer, but God is not only beautiful and good even though he favors those qualities.


God is good and that which He creates is also good.

The devil was an angel originally, but decided to become evil.



God is set-apart from all toxicity and evil.
Good people will naturally avoid hanging out with toxic people, such as violent criminals (unless they are trying to bring them to Jesus). God is set-apart from toxicity and evil on an even more infinite level.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:05 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Thanks Arc, but God's height, the pinnacle of Heaven, it is not my opinion, it's my experience in astral projecting.


But this is just what I am saying here Wendy.

It is an experience unique and special to us individually.

Wherever our experience of God takes place or takes us, within our own minds and souls, whether it is in your astral projecting, Wendy, or my looking up at the sky and the stars in utter amazement and wonder, or reading the words of a Keats or Shakespeare, or another experiencing it in the most logical and beautiful (to him/her) equation, it is STILL our very own unique and highest personal attribute of God.

We are all touched in different ways and I do not think that it can be a good thing to infringe what qualia, intuitions and epiphanies we experience through this God onto other people. We can share them, they will or will not be enriching, but why would we want to put a square into a circle?
They both have their own place in existence.

That to me is one of the very things which gives religion and spirituality a bad name.,
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SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:08 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Thanks Arc, but God's height, the pinnacle of Heaven, it is not my opinion, it's my experience in astral projecting.


But this is just what I am saying here Wendy.

It is an experience unique and special to us individually.

Wherever our experience of God takes place or takes us, within our own minds and souls, whether it is in your astral projecting, Wendy, or my looking up at the sky and the stars in utter amazement and wonder, or reading the words of a Keats or Shakespeare, or another experiencing it in the most logical and beautiful (to him/her) equation, it is STILL our very own unique and highest personal attribute of God.

We are all touched in different ways and I do not think that it can be a good thing to infringe what qualia, intuitions and epiphanies we experience through this God onto other people.

That to me is one of the very things which gives religion and spirituality a bad name.

Then there should be no Bible or preaching, but I don't see you telling anyone else even yourself not to share their experiences, your only getting on my case, why is that?
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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