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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:38 pm

What astral projects is your conscious soul and you never leave your mind, but you do leave your human body. To me, dreams are crazy movies piped in from where, I don't know, but you aren't leaving your mind or your body while you are having them, same goes for hallucinations. Not exactly sure about meditation for my process to astral project goes significantly beyond meditation which may be a state of mind before it separates from the physical body.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:41 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:I see no evidence but I am patient and so can wait until I die to see if there is any
But I am still planning on staying dead forever if I am vindicated just so you know
For I am not afraid of death and I do not see that changing at all while I am alive



What if you met some real hot woman who was your Venus and Aphrodite rolled into one? Like Dante felt about his Beatrice?
Then would you want to live a long time to come? Then might you be afraid to die? or at least want to live? :evilfun:


my thoughts exactly. arc, my consciousness seems to be merging into yours, mind meld as they say.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:07 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Arcturus Descendin wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
I see no evidence but I am patient and so can wait until I die to see if there is any
But I am still planning on staying dead forever if I am vindicated just so you know
For I am not afraid of death and I do not see that changing at all while I am alive

What if you met some real hot woman who was your Venus and Aphrodite rolled into one? Like Dante felt about his
Beatrice. Then would you want to live a long time to come? Then might you be afraid to die or at least want to live

my thoughts exactly. arc my consciousness seems to be merging into yours mind meld as they say

I have absolutely no interest in meeting any hot woman let alone Aphrodite who was sent here to destroy civilisation
I plan on remaining sane and single till the day I die and then plan on spending the rest of eternity simply being dead
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:24 pm

Once again, we have evolved to believe in futures. As for afterlives, I prefer reincarnation as the most morally unobjectionable. It solves the problem of justice deferred.
Asking for proof in such matters is like asking a frog why it cannot speak English.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:25 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:I have absolutely no interest in meeting any hot woman let alone Aphrodite who was sent here to destroy civilisation
I plan on remaining sane and single till the day I die and then plan on spending the rest of eternity simply being dead


aphrodite is a fictional character and they were sent here to destroy toxic masculinity and embrace love, not destroy civilization
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:42 pm

Wendy wrote:
What astral projects is your conscious soul and you never leave your mind but you do leave your human body. To me dreams are crazy movies piped in from
where I dont know but you arent leaving your mind or your body while you are having them same goes for hallucinations. Not exactly sure about meditation
for my process to astral project goes significantly beyond meditation which may be a state of mind before it separates from the physical body

You can have an acid trip that convinces you you have left your body. You can have a Near Death Experience that does it too. Any altered brain state will. And so
why must astral projection be different? Do you think an observer watching you astrally project would actually see you leave your body? Do you think an observer
watching you trip or have an NDE would actually see you leave your body? I my self can very easily imagine leaving my body without tripping or NDEing or astrally
projecting. But I will still be inside my body when doing so. What is projecting here is the mind and only the mind. The body goes nowhere. It remains where it is
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:57 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Once again, we have evolved to believe in futures. As for afterlives, I prefer reincarnation as the most morally unobjectionable. It solves the problem of justice deferred.
Asking for proof in such matters is like asking a frog why it cannot speak English.

Some special folks believe because they literally see the the future. I have had a brief premonition.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:59 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wendy wrote:
What astral projects is your conscious soul and you never leave your mind but you do leave your human body. To me dreams are crazy movies piped in from
where I dont know but you arent leaving your mind or your body while you are having them same goes for hallucinations. Not exactly sure about meditation
for my process to astral project goes significantly beyond meditation which may be a state of mind before it separates from the physical body

You can have an acid trip that convinces you you have left your body. You can have a Near Death Experience that does it too. Any altered brain state will. And so
why must astral projection be different? Do you think an observer watching you astrally project would actually see you leave your body? Do you think an observer
watching you trip or have an NDE would actually see you leave your body? I my self can very easily imagine leaving my body without tripping or NDEing or astrally
projecting. But I will still be inside my body when doing so. What is projecting here is the mind and only the mind. The body goes nowhere. It remains where it is

Yes, the mind is the conscious soul and it has its own subtle body that travels outside of the physical body, but once it travels outside of the physical body it is no longer part of the Earth dimension and that is why it is not visible.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:45 pm

Wendy wrote:
Some special folks believe because they literally see the the future. I have had a brief premonition

And what was that premonition. And how will you explain it away if is then shown to be false
And do you know of anyone else who has had one which turned out exactly as they predicted
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:55 pm

Wendy wrote:
the mind is the conscious soul and it has its own subtle body that travels outside of the physical body

I cannot understand why a soul cannot travel by itself but needs a body to travel in
Especially when something which is way simpler such as a photon can do it so easily
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:10 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wendy wrote:
the mind is the conscious soul and it has its own subtle body that travels outside of the physical body

I cannot understand why a soul cannot travel by itself but needs a body to travel in
Especially when something which is way simpler such as a photon can do it so easily

Consciousness is it's own body, but I'm not sure of what it is made of.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:16 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wendy wrote:
Some special folks believe because they literally see the the future. I have had a brief premonition

And what was that premonition. And how will you explain it away if is then shown to be false
And do you know of anyone else who has had one which turned out exactly as they predicted

I dreamed that I owned a white dog in a specific unfamiliar location when at the time of the dream, my son was a black dog. Owning a white dog disconcerted me so much that it made me remember that white dog dream. A year and a half or so later, my black dog died unexpectedly, I adopted a white dog, Joker and I met on ILP and moved in together into our own place...and that location was the location in which I saw the white dog for a second time as it actually unfolded as reality.

Let's ask the folks here if they have had any precognitive/premonition-based experiences that they could share. Any such experiences people of ILP?
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:37 pm

Wendy wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
Wendy wrote:
the mind is the conscious soul and it has its own subtle body that travels outside of the physical body

I cannot understand why a soul cannot travel by itself but needs a body to travel in
Especially when something which is way simpler such as a photon can do it so easily

Consciousness is its own body but I am not sure of what it is made

You think that consciousness is energy and so is that what it is made from
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:48 pm

Wendy wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
Wendy wrote:
Some special folks believe because they literally see the the future. I have had a brief premonition

And what was that premonition. And how will you explain it away if is then shown to be false
And do you know of anyone else who has had one which turned out exactly as they predicted

I dreamed that I owned a white dog in a specific unfamiliar location when at the time of the dream my son was a black dog. Owning a white dog disconcerted me
so much that it made me remember that white dog dream. A year and a half or so later my black dog died unexpectedly I adopted a white dog Joker and I met on
ILP and moved in together into our own place ... and that location was the location in which I saw the white dog for a second time as it actually unfolded as reality

I like this but for me it is just coincidence and nothing else. You may have had many more dreams where nothing that happened in them had any bearing on reality
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:02 pm

How is it a coincidence that I already recognized the dog and the building?
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:04 pm

You think that consciousness is energy and so is that what it is made from

Possibly, but I need to project again to gather more understanding.
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:57 pm

Dogs and houses are everyday things so dreaming about them is not unusual. Also you cannot be absolutely certain that the dog and house were exactly the
same as in the dream since they may have been different than what you imagined. You want the dream to be true so will not worry too much about details
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:06 pm

I accept that consciousness exists and also that energy exists but not that consciousness is energy
I had no consciousness before I was born so will have none after I die as this is the only life I have
I therefore cannot accept the idea that it is forever but anyway I do not want to even live forever
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:12 pm

You cannot leave your mind but you can reach such an altered state of consciousness that you can think you have
Any experience is by definition subjective so just thinking something has happened does not actually mean it has
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:20 pm

When one dreams or trips what is happening is simply a mental construct and
nothing else so when one astrally projects what is happening is just the same
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:47 pm

When one dreams or trips what is happening is simply a mental construct and
nothing else so when one astrally projects what is happening is just the same


I am seriously starting to lose count of the number of times you keep making unsupportable assertions and expect me to believe them just because you do

:evilfun: :lol:
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:05 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:You cannot leave your mind but you can reach such an altered state of consciousness that you can think you have
Any experience is by definition subjective so just thinking something has happened does not actually mean it has


And yet another unsupportable assertion from you so are you trying to break some record here
Well at least you are consistent and persistent also so kudos to you for that if for nothing else

:evilfun: :lol:
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:34 pm

Do you think that I would actually see you leave your body if you started to
astrally project in front of me or would you simply remain within your body
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:44 pm

Wendy wrote:
the mind is the conscious soul and it has its own subtle body that travels outside of the physical body but once
it travels outside of the physical body it is no longer part of the Earth dimension and that is why it is not visible

You obviously think this is true but merely asserting something does not make it so. I think what happens to you when you
astrally project is that you experience an altered state of consciousness but your mind or soul do not ever leave your body
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Re: Why there is belief in an afterlife

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:43 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Do you think that I would actually see you leave your body if you started to
astrally project in front of me or would you simply remain within your body

This is the only plane/dimension I know of so far where the soul with a meat bag to return to is invisible to a human eye (but white ghostly forms are not unheard of, those are souls too, but I'm not sure why they can be seen only after death). Souls have their own way of seeing when on other planes designed solely for their existence. Like I keep saying souls operate differently than human forms, so no, you wouldn't see anything, not even me looking like I was dreaming (my eyes wouldn't do the REM twitching, no sounds would escape my mouth, no movements other than shallow breathing), but I would appear serenely asleep.

Souls without a human bodies may be the only souls visible to the human eyes.
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Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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