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Re: The name Mohammad is given to sons to show respect. Why

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:31 pm

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Void_X_Zero wrote:Groupthink.


Personally speaking, I am NOT the borg or the herd.


Yet you seem to advocate for religions that can be described herd or tribes.

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I am not really advocating for or against them actually. What I am advocating for is freedom to worship as one desires as long as it does no harm.
Anything can do harm and cause tragedy in the wrong hands and minds.
Again, it is not religion per se but the immoral unethical people who do the above.
As much good can be caused by religion as can bad.

I can't really say ~ who can? ~ what side of the scale is heavier and which is lighter ~~ the good which men do or the evil?
That kind of clarity would take in-depth study.

All you can see is your own perception and perception can be quite biased.

I am not part of the herd. If i were the only one in here who felt as I do, I would still make these statements.
What about you? Are you the only one who feels as you do about religions? I think not.
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: The name Mohammad is given to sons to show respect. Why

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:38 pm

Greatest I Am,



Disciple is not defined the same way as condition.


I have no idea what you are talking about here...unless you were referring to the below...

Ought not there to be any discipline despite the unconditional love?


I didn't say *disciple* I said discipline.
Discipline can be a form of teaching children, of instructing them, by taking certain privileges for example from them to *teach* them important lessons ~~ for instance, that certain behaviors have consequences attached to them.
It can also be a form of structure let's say for athletes who run the marathon. Despite the fact that they may not want to get up early every morning and run, run, run, they will exercise the discipline (will power in this case) which it takes to do such a thing.


I don't understand how you could have possibly seen me as defining disciple (or discipline) for that matter with condition. They do not swim in the same waters to me.
Can you explain it where you got that?


Why do you try to distort the meaning of words?

You are barking up the wrong tree here. I do not do that. I love words. Language is highly important to me though it does at times fail.
I strive to have clarity with words.
At the same time, as far as words go, we can all be capable of seeing different beetles in the box, depending on where we come from, how we interpret words, left brain right brain ad continuum.

Two people might be given a poem to write about a tree. The words which they use may seem to have entirely different meaning.
But that is not what I did here. Perhaps you did.



You ask what unconditional means to me and I suggest that we both use the dictionary definitions as you want to distort the meaning of words.


Again, there is a difference to me, between unconditional love and total acceptance of all kinds of behavior. Think about the distinction here.
What kind of a parent would totally accept any and all kinds of behavior from a child?
If that is for you what unconditional love is about, well then, I have compassion for you and your children.
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: The name Mohammad is given to sons to show respect. Why

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:20 am

gib wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:In terms of passing down the name, yes.


Well, I certainly can't think of any other reason. :icon-rolleyes:

Greatest I am wrote:What unconditional love are you speaking of?


The kind the Christians speak of. Quit ranting and put things in context. Christians venerate Christ. They bend over backwards for him. They'd suck his dick if he whipped it out in front of them. This is a well known fact. It makes absolutely no sense to say followers of Christ hate him and think of him as morally corrupt. If they hated him, they'd do a lot more than just refrain from naming their children "Jesus". They might, oh I don't know, renounce the faith.


And give up their get out of hell free card. Bite your tongue my friend.

That dependence is why Christians do not follow in Christ's, a title BTW and not a name's, footsteps.

Ever notice that the U.S., which touts itself as a Christian nation, has the highest abortion rates, --- getting better, --- and the highest penal population in the world?

People tend to emulate those they respect and those stats tell me that most Jesus loving Christians are either lying or really poor Christians.

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Re: The name Mohammad is given to sons to show respect. Why

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:26 am

Lump wrote:Maybe because christians sees Jesus as 'savior and god' and it would be too imposing to call a son by their saviour and god's name, whereas Mohammad was "merely" a messenger, a very well respected one that is. that's why more people will name their sons Mohammad.


Perhaps you are correct but if Christians see the Trinity Jesus as savior, they must also see him as the one who condemned them in the first place, unjustly. They would also have to go into intellectual dissonance by believing that their God can die, --- sort of.

No one deserves hell or condemnation from a guy in the sky, regardless of their crime or sin. Not even cussing the Holy Ghost.

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Re: The name Mohammad is given to sons to show respect. Why

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:32 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:[
quote="Greatest I am"]
Arcturus Descending wrote:
There are a great many good Christians and Muslims I am sure :


Good Christians and Muslims would know that to be a Christian or Muslim is to contribute to the harm that Christianity and Islam do and they would leave those immoral religions, so I disagree with you when you say there are good Christians and Muslims.

Good people do not contribute to immoral religions or stay in them.

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I may be wrong here but isn't that kind of a paradoxical statement you have made?


I do not see one.

Where would you have these people go?


Wherever they can find a moral ideology. Even doing without is better than accepting an immoral creed like the mainstream religions offer.

Where do you go to find whatever it is you are looking for?
[/quote]

I am a Gnostic Christian and know that the only place worthy of us is within us. That is where our God lies.

God as described as the best rules and laws to live by.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

That is the good news from Gnostic Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

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Re: The name Mohammad is given to sons to show respect. Why

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:44 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:[

te]quote="Greatest I am"][quote="Arcturus Descending"][quote="Void_X_Zero"]Groupthink.[/quote]Yet you seem to advocate for religions that can be described herd or tribes.

Regards
DL[/quote]
I am not really advocating for or against them actually. What I am advocating for is freedom to worship as one desires as long as it does no harm.
Anything can do harm and cause tragedy in the wrong hands and minds.
Again, it is not religion per se but the immoral unethical people who do the above.
As much good can be caused by religion as can bad.

I can't really say ~ who can? ~ what side of the scale is heavier and which is lighter ~~ the good which men do or the evil?
That kind of clarity would take in-depth study.

All you can see is your own perception and perception can be quite biased.[/quote]

=D> Nice.

[quote]I am not part of the herd. If i were the only one in here who felt as I do, I would still make these statements.
What about you? Are you the only one who feels as you do about religions? I think not.[/quote][/quote][/quote]


There are quite a few free thinkers out here. I estimate about a third of the population.

I see few with the anti-religion and government and all population control and manipulation passion that I have.

Perhaps that just shows how rare apotheosis is. I am not unique as all can do as I did to push for and suffer their apotheosis. Most do not care. Then again, most do not have my criminal mind or delinquent attitude.

My bias and love for the good created my bias and hate against our corrupted religions and governments.

I am just surprised at what the other 66 % are waiting for to let their love create hate for corruption.

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Re: The name Mohammad is given to sons to show respect. Why

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:52 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:Greatest I Am,



Disciple is not defined the same way as condition.


I have no idea what you are talking about here...unless you were referring to the below...

Ought not there to be any discipline despite the unconditional love?


I didn't say *disciple* I said discipline.
Discipline can be a form of teaching children, of instructing them, by taking certain privileges for example from them to *teach* them important lessons ~~ for instance, that certain behaviors have consequences attached to them.
It can also be a form of structure let's say for athletes who run the marathon. Despite the fact that they may not want to get up early every morning and run, run, run, they will exercise the discipline (will power in this case) which it takes to do such a thing.


I don't understand how you could have possibly seen me as defining disciple (or discipline) for that matter with condition. They do not swim in the same waters to me.
Can you explain it where you got that?


Why do you try to distort the meaning of words?

You are barking up the wrong tree here. I do not do that. I love words. Language is highly important to me though it does at times fail.
I strive to have clarity with words.
At the same time, as far as words go, we can all be capable of seeing different beetles in the box, depending on where we come from, how we interpret words, left brain right brain ad continuum.

Two people might be given a poem to write about a tree. The words which they use may seem to have entirely different meaning.
But that is not what I did here. Perhaps you did.



You ask what unconditional means to me and I suggest that we both use the dictionary definitions as you want to distort the meaning of words.


Again, there is a difference to me, between unconditional love and total acceptance of all kinds of behavior. Think about the distinction here.
What kind of a parent would totally accept any and all kinds of behavior from a child?
If that is for you what unconditional love is about, well then, I have compassion for you and your children.


Discipline and structure, rules, laws, etc., are all important to us at whatever age. We are rule following machines.

The bible states, and I agree, that correction/disciple is a part of showing our love to our children and everyone else. To not correct or discipline would be an abuse of ones children.

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