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Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed May 31, 2017 12:24 am

The holy spirit is not a generic force, one-size-fits-all, but a person, a relationship, a spirit that has “particular manifestations” and gives itself to each of us uniquely so that the understanding and strength that we receive are geared to help us in our own particular struggles.


Agree? ... Disagree?

An example of the 'enemy' of the Holy Spirit.

Distraction is perhaps the most powerful narcotic on the planet. Simply put, what this means is that our daily communion, the manna that sustains us, is distraction – television, game-shows, sporting-events, sit-coms, talk-shows, entertainment-news, scandals reported in the daily papers, pop music, movies, theatre, and the like. Not that these are bad. What’s bad is that they eventually anesthetize us: We watch the late-night comedians on TV, scotch in hand, laugh as they spoof the day’s events, let the tensions of the day subside, and sleep pretty well. Not bad, not bad at all, except we do it again the next night and the night after and onwards ever after, slowly numbing ourselves to the deeper issues of meaning, pain, justice, self-sacrifice, love, death.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby WendyDarling » Wed May 31, 2017 12:41 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
The holy spirit is not a generic force, one-size-fits-all, but a person, a relationship, a spirit that has “particular manifestations” and gives itself to each of us uniquely so that the understanding and strength that we receive are geared to help us in our own particular struggles.


Agree? ... Disagree?

Totally agree.

An example of the 'enemy' of the Holy Spirit.

Distraction is perhaps the most powerful narcotic on the planet. Simply put, what this means is that our daily communion, the manna that sustains us, is distraction – television, game-shows, sporting-events, sit-coms, talk-shows, entertainment-news, scandals reported in the daily papers, pop music, movies, theatre, and the like. Not that these are bad. What’s bad is that they eventually anesthetize us: We watch the late-night comedians on TV, scotch in hand, laugh as they spoof the day’s events, let the tensions of the day subside, and sleep pretty well. Not bad, not bad at all, except we do it again the next night and the night after and onwards ever after, slowly numbing ourselves to the deeper issues of meaning, pain, justice, self-sacrifice, love, death.


Without a desire to establish that relationship of holy spirit to unholy spirit :evilfun: , it just doesn't get realized. It's like redemption, you must want it to receive it.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Amorphos » Wed May 31, 2017 2:01 am

I think holy spirit is benign.

- a relationship? that sounds like a relationship with air ~ only one party >participating<. - I feel different to how that suggests tho.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed May 31, 2017 3:35 am

Amorphos wrote:I think holy spirit is benign.

- a relationship? that sounds like a relationship with air ~ only one party >participating<. - I feel different to how that suggests tho.


Wonderful post Amorphos ... strengthens the hypothesis ... the comparison to a relationship with air that is ... all humans have a relationship with air ... and while the air is invisible ... every breath we take is evidence of the symbiotic relationship people have with air ... ditto for our relationship with the Holy Spirit whether we are conscious of it or not.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Mowk » Wed May 31, 2017 4:25 am

You are aware you are discussing what passes for little more then a postulate? Assume, then base upon assumption. Rather circular, nothing new here.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed May 31, 2017 4:48 am

Mowk wrote:You are aware you are discussing what passes for little more then a postulate? Assume, then base upon assumption. Rather circular, nothing new here.


Mowk ... thanks for popping in ... any publicity is good pubicity. :lol:

You are undoubtedly a fan of Santayana as well ...

Theory (postulate) helps us to bear our ignorance of fact.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Mowk » Wed May 31, 2017 5:10 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
Mowk wrote:You are aware you are discussing what passes for little more then a postulate? Assume, then base upon assumption. Rather circular, nothing new here.


Mowk ... thanks for popping in ... any publicity is good pubicity. :lol:

You are undoubtedly a fan of Santayana as well ...

Theory (postulate) helps us to bear our ignorance of fact.


Tom,

I am really trying this thing called being non-judgemental. But you ooze. And I sin... given that paradigm.

Your handle "pilgrim-seeker_tom" as example. I'd like to guess it was chosen from a place of heart-felt personal query, as in not a 16th century immigrant to the US of A but a seeker of truth, or perhaps fiction. Either could be seeking. But man, to think that defines you here? PHILOSOPHY, the search for the truth in all of its shades. Man you are appearing to me as a wind bag, a blow hole. It's not that I can't see your "heart" is in a place, I'm just wondering if your mind is anywhere near. Really. What is your plan? What do you feel is all that worth the time? And this is really big, where are you getting off?

Who doesn't seek? Who isn't a pilgrim?

If you feel the questions are more about tom then what tom is trying to communicate I will back down. It is not about you but the ideas.

What is at center, of value, and how abstractly has it been questioned?

You are more than Tom, in the future I dub you "+Tom". I think it's a handle you could grow into.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed May 31, 2017 9:07 am

Mowk wrote:Tom,

I am really trying this thing called being non-judgemental. But you ooze. And I sin... given that paradigm.


Mowk ... I encourage you to be patient ... 'goodness' doesn't grow on trees ... nor in the ground.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Mowk » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:42 am

Hey +Tom,

I'll be dead soon enough, just a couple hundred thousand heartbeats away. I ain't holding my breath.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:32 pm

Mowk wrote:Hey +Tom,

I'll be dead soon enough, just a couple hundred thousand heartbeats away. I ain't holding my breath.


Mowk ... how many people's lives were turned upside down ... inside out ... within the time span of one or two heartbeats?

I read your comments in the OP "Climate, Health, and Inequality: A Proposal" ... a taste of your 'goodness' seeped out today ... even a tiny crack in a dam can lead to a flood ... yes/no?
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Meno_ » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:10 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
The holy spirit is not a generic force, one-size-fits-all, but a person, a relationship, a spirit that has “particular manifestations” and gives itself to each of us uniquely so that the understanding and strength that we receive are geared to help us in our own particular struggles.



Agree? ... Disagree?

Totally agree.


An example of the 'enemy' of the Holy Spirit.

Distraction is perhaps the most powerful narcotic on the planet. Simply put, what this means is that our daily communion, the manna that sustains us, is distraction – television, game-shows, sporting-
events, sit-coms, talk-shows, entertainment-news, scandals reported in the daily papers, pop music, movies, theatre, and the like. Not that these are bad. What’s bad is that they eventually anesthetize us: We
watch the late-night comedians on TV, scotch in
hand, laugh as they spoof the day’s events, let the tensions of the day subside, and sleep pretty well. Not bad, not bad at all, except we do it again the
next night and the night after and onwards ever after,
slowly numbing ourselves to the deeper issues of meaning, pain, justice, self-sacrifice, love, death.



Without a desire to establish that relationship of holy spirit to unholy spirit :evilfun: , it just
doesn't get realized. It's like redemption, you must want it to receive it.




Wendy, The desire to establish a relationship between the holy and the unholy can not be realized except by faith in the holy as a pre-requisite. Then when that need arises to unify the meaning of good and evil, the unholy alliance presents a problem-the intention(ality) of the quest for the reason for existence becomes muted, because the unholy tries to compete with the holy. It can't it knows, so it uses misguiding and deceptive rhetoric to demean the value of being. It tries to reduce the Holy Spirit to the level of an intention of goodness into a nihilistic freeze.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Mowk » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:09 am

Hey +Tom,

Be a good little Dutch boy and stick your finger in it. As a damn; i ain't holding back a whole lot of water, If this thing should break we're talking mud slide. Those good folk down in the valley don't need that.

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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:22 pm

Mowk wrote:Hey +Tom,

Be a good little Dutch boy and stick your finger in it. As a damn; i ain't holding back a whole lot of water, If this thing should break we're talking mud slide. Those good folk down in the valley don't need that.

Mowk


My fingers are all busy at the moment ... thanks for the warning. :)

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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Mowk » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:23 am

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Hey +Tom, Is this what is called free range?

Take it up a notch, past all the dogma. Will ya? Are you able?

Stand and walk, metaphorically speaking.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:06 am

Mowk wrote:Hey +Tom, Is this what is called free range?


Partially correct Mowk ... we don't own the range ... only invested hours and hours of toil cleaning it up ... my wife did that is. :)

Mowk wrote:Take it up a notch, past all the dogma. Will ya? Are you able?

Stand and walk, metaphorically speaking.


Is that what's called ... throwing down the gauntlet.

Good timing ... I just posted this article ... authored by yours truly. :)

https://www.patreon.com/posts/11593896
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Mowk » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:03 am

I guessed there was a + in there somewhere. so why the dogma?

At beast it is a weak metaphor, I don't see a whole lot holy about the hole. There is a gap.

Go to the source, skip the middlemen. Hinted.

I garden.

Shit, there is so much there, it isn't working quite yet. I'm still fighting it. It feels like it, this time of the year. In a few months it doesn't feel like it. Despite what I sow,
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:00 am

Mowk wrote:I guessed there was a + in there somewhere. so why the dogma?

At beast it is a weak metaphor, I don't see a whole lot holy about the hole. There is a gap.

Go to the source, skip the middlemen. Hinted.

I garden.

Shit, there is so much there, it isn't working quite yet. I'm still fighting it. It feels like it, this time of the year. In a few months it doesn't feel like it. Despite what I sow,


Mowk ... your comments feel genuine ... though ... can't really grasp your intention(s).

1) "So why the dogma?" ... religious dogma? ... or ... presenting my thoughts as dogma?

2) Use of the word 'holy' can be confusing ... suppose there's nothing 'holy' about awareness or (un)holy about lack of awareness.

3) "Go to the source, skip the middlemen. Hinted." ... the entire article was about "skip the middleman" ... "Psychological Firewall" was intended as symbolizing a middleman.

4) "Shit, there is so much there" ... meaning there's so much we can learn from gardening?
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby Mowk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:02 am

1) take your pic, both? dogma, where ever. I guess it isn't like anyone has imagined it accurately so far; regardless how many have imagined. Not saying that anyone inhuman could imagine it any better. Soap boxes and all.

One size doesn't fit?.
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Postby Mowk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:15 am

2). exactly, so why use it?
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Postby Mowk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:19 am

3) 'Freudian' jumbo. presumption.
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Postby Mowk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:20 am

4) from where ever a garden grows.
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:53 am

Mowk wrote:1) take your pic, both? dogma, where ever. I guess it isn't like anyone has imagined it accurately so far; regardless how many have imagined. Not saying that anyone inhuman could imagine it any better. Soap boxes and all.

One size doesn't fit?.


A taste of your personal dogma? If so ... not to worry ... you stand firmly with the crowd. :)
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:54 am

Mowk wrote:2). exactly, so why use it?



Why not? Conflicting dogma(s) cohabit comfortably in my mind. :)
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Re: Intention(s) of the term Holy Spirit

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:56 am

Mowk wrote:3) 'Freudian' jumbo. presumption.



McCain may have more faith in Freud today. :)

Presumption? ... sounds like Theresa May. :)
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