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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:19 pm

So.... A final time before I really pull my dick out of things: Either ban me outright and get it done and over with, or I will rip you all to shreds. This is the last time you moderate me for bullshit reasons.

You all really should have listened the first time I said things; the first time I taught you all. But to drag it to this extent? Inexcusable.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:41 pm

I'm tellin' ya, when they falsely moderate me when I'm in the midst of throwing down, or in the midst of making a point.... When they falsely persecute me, some times I really wish they would just kill me already.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:42 pm

Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Not necessarily. That belief can simply be based on what one has seen, despite what one has not seen and despite what cannot be seen. Faith.
It's not actually illogical to believe in a creator since there is creation if it's based on a mature belief which has been questioned and gone through the fire, so to speak.
But perhaps what you're actually asking is the belief in a personal loving god who is going to do it all for you, always be there for you, like a surrogate father.

Belief only becomes weakness when it is used as a crutch - when that belief or a god becomes a crutch out of fear because one has no sense of self, no sense of self-determination or autonomy.

Belief in a creator can either work for one or against one.

One can also turn that around, I think, and say that "disbelief" in some kind of creator can be seen under certain circumstances insofar as particular individuals are concerned as some kind of weakness also ~ when it comes down to having a fear of sensing some kind of connectedness with something larger than ourselves.

It all just depends...
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:47 pm

That's nice, descending one; but I'm ascending and I'm not letting this go.

That jackass Mannikin had my posts removed that were pertinent responses to his Original Post. He fiddled with Magsj's emotional responders under the guise of their actions being perfect all-the-way-around objective lessons, but they forgot the emotionality of stepping between a predator and his prey, for one, getting caught up in someone elses fight, for two; and I guess, falsely persecuting and abusing power becomes the distant third here. That the little bitch coward had to run and cry for help and actually got it.

Hey, can I get some help here with this, too? I need help because I'm getting my ass kicked by overwhelming odds. I'm outnumbered, bullied and kept down and just because some pissy little pussy got it in his head while his head was up his ass, I'm faulted by the faulty moderation in faulty methodology?

And my posts get erased? That were vital and pertinent parts of the conversation?

You had to have known I wasn't going to let that be and get away free, what double-standard are you all trying to pull, anyway?
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:52 pm

You said this wasn't my blog, and you are correct, but you did call me to take part in this thread and anything to do with a creator in the sense of God is my business and I do take over.

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This is mine. I owned it. I killed it. I answered your stupidity question. I dominated.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:55 pm

And, fuck the mods and fuck Magsj in particular. Fuck only humean and fuck the fixed cross and felix da kat whether theyre mods or not, cause fuck'em anyway and fuck Carleas who, if he had a pair and a brain in his head might actually be dangerous.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby mannikin » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:02 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Not necessarily. That belief can simply be based on what one has seen, despite what one has not seen and despite what cannot be seen. Faith.
It's not actually illogical to believe in a creator since there is creation if it's based on a mature belief which has been questioned and gone through the fire, so to speak.
But perhaps what you're actually asking is the belief in a personal loving god who is going to do it all for you, always be there for you, like a surrogate father.

Belief only becomes weakness when it is used as a crutch - when that belief or a god becomes a crutch out of fear because one has no sense of self, no sense of self-determination or autonomy.

Belief in a creator can either work for one or against one.

One can also turn that around, I think, and say that "disbelief" in some kind of creator can be seen under certain circumstances insofar as particular individuals are concerned as some kind of weakness also ~ when it comes down to having a fear of sensing some kind of connectedness with something larger than ourselves.

It all just depends...


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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:17 pm

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Why do people equate strength to the disbelief in God?


Paul Tillich said that: "The courage to be is rooted in the God who appears (namely, one's self)when God has disappeared in the anxiety of doubt.”
― Paul Tillich, The Courage to Be

The so-called God who appears is namely one's self. It's possible, to me, that when one is ready to give up the notion of a god (disbelief) or at least the infantile notion of a personal loving one who is available at all times, one is finding strength or becomes strong in standing outside of a god and becoming his/her own person, his/her own god.

Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who decides not to believe in God are strong.




And are they deniers of such a creator and refuse to testify, and submit to his will out of egoistic arrogance?


That would depend on who they are. There is nothing egotistical about wanting to grow up even if one has to put god aside or destroy that god.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:20 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:And, fuck the mods and fuck Magsj in particular. Fuck only humean and fuck the fixed cross and felix da kat whether theyre mods or not, cause fuck'em anyway and fuck Carleas who, if he had a pair and a brain in his head might actually be dangerous.

Fuckin' weak-willed pansies.


You need to take the suggestion of your own signature. :evilfun:
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:05 am

Excerpt from the Spectator

Atheism may be fashionable, but most intelligent people believe in God
22 December 2015

Have we ever needed Christianity more than we do today? It’s a rhetorical question, for sure, because the loss of our faith and the inability to confront Islam have never been greater. When I was a little boy during the war, my mother assured me that if I believed in Jesus everything would be OK. This was during the Allied bombing on Tatoi, the military airfield near our country house where the Germans concentrated their anti-aircraft guns. My Fräulein, the Prussian lady who brought me up, was more practical. She handed me a beautiful carved knife that made me feel safer than my prayers ever did.

Today, of course, 74 years later, my prayers are far more likely to give me peace of mind than a knife in my pocket. That’s the difference between being five and 79 years of age. Mind you, now I pray only for the safety and welfare of my children and their mother. My soul I sold to the devil long ago. No prayers will save that loser. At times, during Christmas and Easter, when I go to church, light a candle and sit alone in a pew, all these memories come flooding back, especially my fear of the noisy Anglo-American bombs that rained down around us, and how only the steel in my pocket gave me courage.

Atheists seem to be le goût du jour. Our celebrity culture has no room for faithful people, especially Christians; only Islam enjoys that privilege. In 1966 Time magazine shocked its readers with a cover that asked whether God was dead. I remember it well because Henry Luce died soon after. Was there a hidden message somewhere, I wondered? But Luce was a devout Christian and a great believer in the Almighty, unlike Christopher Hitchens, whose favourite targets were priests, Mother Teresa and God, a Christian God whose followers turned the other cheek. The Hitch had very little to say against Allah because he knew the latter’s followers did not take kindly to cheap remarks against him. Hitchens deplored Christmas, ‘the collectivisation of gaiety’ and ‘compulsory bad taste’, as well he should have, being an opportunist. Atheism gets you in through the front door, Christianity is reserved for the trade entrance. He hated the ‘confessional drool’ that families mailed to each other, especially simple people who believe in love and forgiveness.

The evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins is an atheist hard to dislike. He’s charming, learned and intelligent, and never a bully. Ditto some ancients — here I rely on the ancient Athenian Taki and his epigrams — such as Socrates and his ilk. Also Voltaire and Mill, and so on. The first modern to go atheist and announce that God had had it was Nietzsche, who predictably went bonkers. Terrific shits like Freud and Picasso were atheists, as were French fries like Michel Foucault and Jacques Lacan, and our very own H.G. Wells. And James Joyce and Philip Roth. One thing all these talented writers and thinkers have in common, apart from their disbelief in the Almighty, is great physical ugliness. That alone should explain it.

The great 20th-century theologian Paul Tillich wrote that to believe that God is active at all times, being out there somewhere, dwelling in a special place and being affected by events, is a shallow supposition: ‘Literalism deprives God of his ultimacy.’ That’s where ‘there is no God’, the cry from the heart of those who have lost a loved one, comes from. Ditto the old saw that you need God in order to be good. God is what makes us understand the difference between good and evil, take it from Taki.

The ultimate irony, needless to say, is that Charles Darwin said he believed in God. Let’s face it: most intelligent people believe in God, as did most world leaders in the past. My uncle, a war hero in the Albanian campaign when we wiped out the Italians, once told me that he had never seen courage like that shown by priests and medical orderlies in the thick of battle. Unarmed and without helmets, they would give the last rites to the dying and tend to the wounded. While soldiers dived into their foxholes, they would go out in the open field and make the sign of the cross over the fallen. God, in most cases, protected them. Go figure, you non-believers.

This is my 38th Christmas column, and of course it seems like yesterday that I wrote the first one. It was in my father’s London office in Albemarle Street. I used clichés galore and didn’t mention God once, just Christmas parties. I have probably come full circle. When Thomas Jefferson wrote that ‘all men are created equal’ he called the proposition self-evident. It was a very Christian thing to say because not all men are created equal. They have equal rights under God, and it is only a Christian God that ensures the latter. Just look at what Islam is doing to its adherents, how it has cheapened life to the extent that people volunteer to blow themselves up in order to get some rice and some virgins, and compare that to Christianity. The idea of the preciousness and equal worth of every human being is largely rooted in Christianity. Have a very happy Christmas and defend our faith. And, if need be, carry a knife.


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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:08 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:And, fuck the mods and fuck Magsj in particular. Fuck only humean and fuck the fixed cross and felix da kat whether theyre mods or not, cause fuck'em anyway and fuck Carleas who, if he had a pair and a brain in his head might actually be dangerous.

Fuckin' weak-willed pansies.


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Did you watch The Giver? Or read it? That wasn't in the pamphlet I received. Maybe it was in your instructions, but it wasn't in mine. Mine said to tell the truth no matter who said what, that I could lie, and above all costs and detriments, keep running my mouth and know when to shut it. I'm already on it.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby AutSider » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:12 pm

Yes, it is undoubtedly a sign of some form of mental weakness. For example: gullibility, lack of reasoning ability, cowardice etc.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:05 pm

AutSider wrote:Yes, it is undoubtedly a sign of some form of mental weakness. For example: gullibility, lack of reasoning ability, cowardice etc.



http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... faith.html

...and No. 13 below...


Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."


...or perhaps you were simply being ironic. I might have put that first.
Have you ever looked up at the sky and stopped to ask yourself: "But where did it all come from?" Boggles the mind, doesn't it?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:33 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
AutSider wrote:Yes, it is undoubtedly a sign of some form of mental weakness. For example: gullibility, lack of reasoning ability, cowardice etc.



http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... faith.html

...and No. 13 below...


Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."


...or perhaps you were simply being ironic. I might have put that first.
Have you ever looked up at the sky and stopped to ask yourself: "But where did it all come from?" Boggles the mind, doesn't it?


I can tell you. It would have been impossible for our reality to be created without it first existing. It could not exist until it was created and it all happened relatively and seemingly simultaneously, from the inside-out and from the outside-in. The spark of creation that set it all in motion held all accumulative data from existence and shunted it back to its very beginning, causing it's very beginning and thus knowing of its ending before it ever got started. Reality does impossible shit. I could explain how our imaginative processes of trying to figure it all out is what added energy in a gravity well of spirit matter, compressing it into the first particle of actual matter; how those particles became the core of a lot of beings, even what drew huge rocks to pummel them into planetary beings, a part of a celestial consciousness; I could tell you a lot of the give and take of nature and the side realities/alternate; the underlayers and overlayers of reality, divergence to the point of it cancelling itself out for having mapped out every single possibility, every single route until it just became repeats of patterns and cycles.

It does anything BUT boggle the mind. It makes sense at the point you realize that the universe was spurred into motion by the sheer potential of what it would be like if it existed. Its future causing its own birth. In all ways, all direction, stupid asses. Keep looking, it's the same in every direction.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:23 pm

Some Guy in History,


Did you watch The Giver? Or read it? That wasn't in the pamphlet I received. Maybe it was in your instructions, but it wasn't in mine. , that I could lie,


Had to actually google it. No, I never did either.


Mine said to tell the truth no matter who said what

Always to tell the truth, no matter what? No need to ever be discreet? To hold back?
Is that such virtue to you? Is that a good survival instinct?



and above all costs and detriments, keep running my mouth and know when to shut it. I'm already on it
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lol I don't think that you have learned that as of yet. You're far removed from it. :mrgreen:
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:59 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Mine said to tell the truth no matter who said what

Always to tell the truth, no matter what? No need to ever be discreet? To hold back?
Is that such virtue to you? Is that a good survival instinct?


the fact that you are so quick to ask questions like that; and it is questions like that that do get the negative response; is the same fact that says I shouldn't even need to or have to answer them. If you're going to pretend to be the idiot, know that we've changed how to treat your specific brand of idiocy.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:29 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
Mine said to tell the truth no matter who said what

Always to tell the truth, no matter what? No need to ever be discreet? To hold back?
Is that such virtue to you? Is that a good survival instinct?


the fact that you are so quick to ask questions like that; and it is questions like that that do get the negative response; is the same fact that says I shouldn't even need to or have to answer them. If you're going to pretend to be the idiot, know that we've changed how to treat your specific brand of idiocy.


Really? I wasn't so quick to ask those questions. But I wonder why you can't answer them. Or are all of your answers absolute and infallible?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:24 pm

Really? I wasn't so quick to ask those questions. But I wonder why you can't answer them. Or are all of your answers absolute and infallible?


They're what I call 'stupid' questions, because they're meant to trap people up in the maze of manipulative psychology to make them dance in pitiful fashion for the amusement of others. The fact of the matter is, I had to undergo it enough to overcome it and learn the strength to bypass it to go for the throat.

The ones that came before you made it personal on levels you don't fully understand. But, eternity is a long time and today is a long day, it was here yesterday and will be here again tomorrow. I bet you I can make you love me in ways that you would be certain that you hated me for.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:07 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:I bet you I can make you love me in ways that you would be certain that you hated me for.

It would be fun to watch that one. 8)
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:11 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:I bet you I can make you love me in ways that you would be certain that you hated me for.

It would be fun to watch that one. 8)


Yeah, you would think so until I dragged those who wanted to watch the depravity and get their kicks out of it into the arena and forced them to fight. Forced displeasure on them in so many ways until they hated me and loved me for it.

By the way, Remember when I didn't take you as a serious threat and actually tried getting your back only for you to come back at me and try to fight me for it?

Yeah. You're THAT stupid.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:08 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:Remember when I didn't take you as a serious threat and actually tried getting your back only for you to come back at me and try to fight me for it?

No, although I had considered that in reverse. I suspect that you again presuming that negativity, deluding yourself into making enemies that never were there .. until you decided to "fight back" against your imagined opponent.

And as you said: "Yeah. You're THAT stupid."
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:11 pm

Some Guy in History

Really? I wasn't so quick to ask those questions. But I wonder why you can't answer them. Or are all of your answers absolute and infallible?

This is what I wrote:
Always to tell the truth, no matter what? No need to ever be discreet? To hold back?
Is that such virtue to you? Is that a good survival instinct?



SGiH wrote:

They're what I call 'stupid' questions, because they're meant to trap people up in the maze of manipulative psychology to make them dance in pitiful fashion for the amusement of others.


Did you notice the "I" there? That is your own subjective thinking. They would not be a stupid question for many or at least for some. I was trying to have a legitimate discussion with you. I was NOT trying to trap you or anyone.


There are cases where a lie called a little white lie is more appropriate to spare a person's feelings, one who is vulnerable and needs more affirmation than condemnation; where telling a whopper of a lie to survive would be highly intelligent and practical. The examples can be legion.

The way I look at it to tell the truth with no discretion, forethought or compassion is simply arrogant and egoistical unless one can do it with such finesse that there would be no losing facing for the other.
Sometimes taking a virtue too far becomes a vice. You may think that my perspectives are idiotic. Mine come from my mind and experience and yours come from yours.


The ones that came before you made it personal on levels you don't fully understand.


I understand this but do you usually back off? Can you say in all honestly that you do not do the same to others in here?

The fact of the matter is, I had to undergo it enough to overcome it and learn the strength to bypass it to go for the throat.


You haven't OVERCOME anything if you find yourself "going for the throat".

These were your words:

All those who don't want to work, don't want to fix themselves, don't want to even try because it's so much easier being broken and not having to do a damn thing.

We really do have to challenge ourselves at times, don't we? It can be painful and exhausting but how do we give birth to a dancing star (N) if we never try...



But, eternity is a long time and today is a long day, it was here yesterday and will be here again tomorrow
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You are assuming that there is such a thing as eternity? We can't actually know this - at least I cannot.


I bet you I can make you love me in ways that you would be certain that you hated me for.


I doubt that very much lol but thank you for the fair warning.
This is where much reflection and contemplation and cognitive thinking come in.
If someone says something like this to a person, don't you think that it gives one pause to hesitate? After all, a stitch in time saves nine, so to speak. Why begin the journey into love when it will only lead to hate? No great percentage in that.
My question to you would be: Why would you even say that to me or any other woman?
You're a very intelligent man. Your words and your poetry are beautiful and awesome at times but on the other hand you realize that you need to grow, WORK HARDER, in the realm of becoming more emotionally intelligent - AS WE ALL DO.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:45 pm

There are such things as stupid questions. The ones you ask are stupid questions because they're not designed for the furthering of answers but for the tearing down of the recipient of those questions who then might try their best to answer them only to be hemmed up and beaten down by verbal fighters such as yourself.

I literally have the accumulative experience of over 15 years of fighting people just like you and the amount of them is beyond count. You are nothing new under the sun. Others of your kind of verbal fighting have claimed to have fought many like me and yet each in turn has been proven to be a liar. And, you all fall at the same points when your tricks are seen through. The evidence that I am a rarity in comparison to people like you is the fact that I HAVE fought so many just like you. You yourself have witnessed in part if not in full some of my fights here with others. And yet, you still took a stab at it.

I have only returned fire here. I have poked holes in peoples theories at times; at other times I have insulted them, yes; but mostly based on how they laid their theories which showed the attitude and mindset of themselves in negative fashion. They were worthy of being insulted and they proved it when they dropped all reasoning and only with insult did give back. I, in turn, at the least, gave them shit to grow with beyond the constraints that I found them in. The proof in it is that we grow all together in the mind and they are limited when approaching me in physicality without respect and without apology; without admitting that they were wrong; to continuing the fight. This is why you see people like Laughing Man, Hahaha, simply walk away. Zoot Allures, Mr Reasonable, Trixie, Carleas even stepped into the ring but for a moment to realize where it was going to go and backed out of it, and still here you are.

In the mind we grow, but each in turn devolves to craven animal in terms of fighting me in this way, the same old verbal manipulations and machinations, the twisting around, the spinning it to make me look bad to avoid the obvious factor that you are the one; ones; that look bad. And, since I am seemingly outnumbered while you all do what you do, I look like the odd one out and yet I do hold treasured gold; I do hold in my tragic existence what so many of you need. And, this is me going for your throat as peacefully as possible. I have quite literally caused aneurysms in people, blood vessels to pop in their heads; given them heart attacks, caused molecules to explode causing sharp pains in toes, legs, random parts of the body. I have, without such mental powers, pushed people to commit suicide.

Regardless of your casing of flesh, regardless of gender, regardless of age; if you're going to step to the mental plate like a heavyweight and throw haymakers that are vastly dangerous, you will be dealt with. Do you think it's just random when a parent 'abuses' a baby to the point of its death? Do you think it craven of a man to beat a woman to within an inch of her life when she's pushing buttons? Even in spiritual possession when the person themselves don't even know the spirit that is fucking with them both, and the person they're pushing the buttons of, lashes out on them and kills them, they are unluckily in the moment when the lashing out occurred and that creates a mass network of afterlife existences carrying our tragedies wherever we go.

At what point do you think you being a woman means a damn thing to me at all? You have thrown down and ended it in insult; a sharpened thorn underneath the 'beauty' and seen all too easily. I've pricked myself on those thorns before. Let me show you some new ones that you've been pricking yourself on for a while now. They're poisonous beyond belief and I pack them into every response that I give to responses and attacks like yours. The accumulative damage to you is already greater than you realize.

You, like so many others, come at me with wartime activities; war games. Peace is a motherfucker. A savage beast. It has perfected what all war wishes it could perfect. I think you need to rethink your approach to this before I completely obliterate every bit of who you are, whether male or female, liar or truth-teller. You say I need to become more emotionally intelligent, but the fact is that I'm already far beyond those that think like you. Do you think that I would use such tactics as you do? I find them distasteful. My tactics are fully fleshed versions of them because they are RIGHTEOUS. Not self-righteous, but actually righteous; and that's something that you and so many others know absolutely nothing about.

I think you all need to learn.
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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:54 pm

Okay, I'll bite.

How would you have responded to yourself had you been responding to your own words and not me. These words...

Mine said to tell the truth no matter who said what


You seem to feel that my response was idiotic and had no validity or legitimacy to them. I disagree with what you said...but give me something to think about. My aim is to learn.

So pretend that you are me lol and respond to your words.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


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Re: Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:00 pm

No, don't pretend that you are me.

Pretend that your words came from me and respond in the way in which you would.
Enlightenment me.
Again, give me something to think about. Point out my philosophical errors, my delivery...et cetera.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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