Paganism

Why is paganism associated with evil, devil, satanic etc?

I know early christians may of done that as a strategy to remove it etc, but then why are there a lot of evil worshiping people embracing pagan rituals?

manni … has the notion/source of evil ever been definitively determined? … with any degree of certainty?

talking about evil … perpetuating human rituals that are perceived as evil fuels it’s vitality and reach.

I’ve posted this graphic a few times … have you seen it before?

Pig were tortured in Belgium. Biologicall meat-pigs no less.

thanks for validating my post

fighting hostility to achieve harmony is like fornicating to achieve chastity

the notion of evil is an enigma … empirical evidence confirms … at least in some cases … what is perceived as an evil act gives birth to unbounded goodness.

Take the case of Little Margaret … an infant born blind, deformed, crippled and ugly … so much so that her parents … who were aristocrats … refused to give her a name … and hid the knowledge of her existence from their entire social network … to the point of sealing her in a virtual coffin for 13 years.

The kindest act her parents did for her was to abandon her completely around age 20 … left her alone in a church rather far from their home.

This final act spawned an abundance of goodness.

Potential for goodness is embodied in what we perceive to be evil.

Well, I don’t wanna get hung up on the definitions at this moment, but i think if we take into consideration a bunch of blokes standing in a circle with a baby in the middle of it with candles and pagan symbols around it , then one of the blokes starts to stab the baby continuously killing it while chanting ritualistic offerings to some some god…is kind of fucked up…it’s not like i would be standing there with them…

despite the word evil, is this what paganism is about?

manni … the horror of the anecdote you shared can be seen in most … if not all religions … the Bible has lots of examples … the Christian crusades are an example … and so on … and so on.

I guess I’m saying the definition of a religion can hardly be limited to the horror inflicted in the name of such religion.

Yeah I agree with that and that is apart of what I’m trying to get at…

I’m wondering if this is just human behaviour regardless, but it’s interesting to see how this behaviour relates to paganistic tradition.

I guess paganism and other things expose living creatures in many ways…

I guess what I’m getting at is, is the fundamental reality of paganism support it or against it?

Hmm maybe I’m just thinking in black and white terms

As I posted in another OP …we live in ‘darkness’ all our lives … the unknown is a ‘darkness’ within human consciousness. Full knowledge may well reside in each individual mind … but if so … if resides deep in the shadows of our subconscious mind.

The essence of religion is an attempt to peer into this ‘darkness’ … embracing as Truth … many presumptions along the way. These presumptions have waxed and waned over space and time … some that appeared to have ‘died’ only to reappear in a different form … like the many pagan practices in Christian faith. Winter solstice as the date of choice for the birth of Jesus and so on and so on.

Winter solstice as the birth date of Jesus may explain why birth records have never surfaced for Jesus … and the people of his day paid fastidious attention to genealogy. ergo birth records

Imagine the consequences of Jesus’ birth records surfacing … let’s say proving his birthday was in May …

JSS shared some of his keen insight recently:

Jesus just seems like a more recent reference to the previous sun gods…

etc

That Jesus character hasn’t penetrated my mind as much as it as with you it seems, perhaps you grew up in a very religious household. However, my school system did try to force it upon me and make me pray every morning during assembly, but somehow it just didn’t work, i was immune to it…

Personally, i don’t really care about all that Christian stuff, i’m more interested in what came before it…that’s what i’m trying to figure out…

Nope! not me.

The closest I ever heard my dad pray was the day he said … “Hail Mary, full of grace … wash your hands before your face”

Don’t misunderstand me … in his actions he was often more ‘Catholic’ than my Catholic mom.

You are so lucky … perhaps you were born with an immunity to the virus!

A vexing statement! … yet … I think we are on the same page. For me, the genealogy of a religion is just as important as the genealogy of a person. You can’t know one without the other … they are inextricably linked.

My first thoughts on the genealogy of Christianity are:

  1. The ancient city of Ur where apparently child sacrifice was an acceptable part of culture.

  2. Sun worship from Egypt … Egypt is too conveniently woven into the fabric of the Jesus story to ignore it.

Again … don’t get me wrong … if I’m right … the above elements were inserted into the true story… and the ‘hybrid’ story has come down to us.

Are we still on the same page?

The school was a Christian school, my neighborhood was very islamic, and there was also Jews nearby.

Christians saying Jesus was God, Muslims saying he was only a Prophet and the Jews saying he was neither…

I grew bored of this reoccurring circumstance, it seemed very trivial to me, like kids arguing over stickers… it made it very easy for me to dismiss it at that point…

I figured they wouldn’t know about any of these things had they not been told them or raised to identify themselves with them…Although i do enjoy watching them from my window, placing everything into understanding where the information is presented…

This is what paganism is to me, some kind of natural world where i feel automatically connected to everything, there is this inspiration, words become real in reference to reality, clarity shines through…like you wake up to yourself…

Those religions make it very easy to dismiss reality by defaulting to a scripture, rather than a sense of self, the scriptures define words which has no relation to reality, there are jews nearby, close proximity to me, my self where reality becomes a discussion between my essence/survival in relation to the environment, the scriptures certainly blinds them from seeing me in my nature, but they are told something that being a believer is becoming the book, human books are walking, pages are thinking, not thinking, but being thought of in imitation and projection, occupying the mind.

Brilliant post Manni !!

Manni … hate is an obstacle to enlightenment.

Who would intentionally want to constipate their consciousness?

If you are sincerely interested in Paganism you should study the evolution of the Judaic/Christian/Islam … the answers are all there … some exquisitely camouflaged.

Manni … if you are interested in a short cut … read this book

“The Classic of the Dao … A New Investigation” by Wang Keping

Will check it out

Why would you recommend me that book?