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Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:37 am

Over the past 25 years ... from time to time ... I've encountered some people or news that attempted to blackball the Jesuits ... carte blanche ... the whole lot of them.

Obviously these people had ... and still have ... their own rational reasons for their attitude(s) towards the Jesuits. Perhaps there is another side to the Jesuits that is less well known.

From the abstract to the concrete ... my personal experience with Francis Javier and Ignacio of Loyola. During some of my "meandering" I ended up visiting their birthplaces.

Matteo Ricci ... the Jesuit who opened the door to Chinese thought/philosophy/history was born 3 months before St Francis Xavier died on the doorstep to China. Francis Xavier never entered mainland China.

Here are the notes I wrote about the experience(s).

How did St Francis Xavier reveal himself to me?

It happened during my first Camino in June 2000 ... my second day of walking in Spain … after walking a week or so in France.. It's important to remember that I have no itinerary and almost no information about the Camino Santiago. I met a man in Jaca ... where I arrived on my first day in Spain. He was like an 'angel' ... he shared his meal and some wine with me ... he left me the Spanish word 'ultreya' ... he helped me find some medicine for my blisters ... and finally he showed me a pamphlet in Spanish that would lead me to where I would stay the next night.

The next day ... walking along with my blisters was very difficult ... I was so happy to find this place my friend in Jaca told me about ... I think he was trying to tell me it would be a good place to rest. Little did I know what a pleasant surprise would happen as a result of his kindness. I should mention I never saw this man again.

I am sitting in the restaurant at the hotel trying to order a glass of water ... using international body language. The waiter eventually brings me a large glass of beer ... seems he understood my body's needs better than I did ... I thoroughly enjoyed the beer. :-) A few sips of beer later a gentleman sitting not far from me says something to me in English ... now why didn't he help me with my efforts to get a glass of water? Not important ... he would turn out to be a tremendous help.

His name was Brother Joe of Holy Cross Family Ministries ... at the time he was living in Los Angeles and he was vacationing in Spain ... he would move to a town near Boston a few years later. First a few words about the word "Ultreya" and it's connection to Brother Joe. The word 'Ultreya' has become one of my mantras ... I have three ...
                    1) Ultreya ... keep going
                    2) Morning has Broken ... a new day has dawned and the City of God is just around the corner.
                    3) Seek comfort in nothingness
 

My 'angel' in Jaca introduced the word 'Ultreya' to me ... I would see the same word painted on stones ... written on bulletin boards at Refugios etc all along the Camino Santiago. Several times I asked some Spanish people who spoke English what the word meant. I had the feeling this word was important. It wasn't until a couple of years later that I would learn the meaning of the word ... in ... near Boston. I was visiting Brother Joe and one of his fellow Brothers explained to me that it basically means ... "keep going ... don't give up". Oh ... how appropriate eh!! At the same time Psalm 139 would be firmly planted in my memory ... the same Brother who explained the meaning of ultreya sang his version of the Psalm at a prayer meeting. Psalm 139 deals with the notion of predestination. All of this thanks to Brother Joe. Hmmm! 

Back to my conversation with Brother Joe at the restaurant ... he invited me to join him the next day for a visit to Pamplona for the famous 'running of the bulls' feast. I declined his generous offer ... thinking that I am on a pilgrimage ... not a vacation. Joe, was doing something that didn't appeal to me at the time ... solitude was my friend those days. Although sometimes on the trail I wonder why I couldn't simply "stop" and "be still" ... always moving on!!

So why did I leave the hotel at Puente La Reina de Jaca the next morning? The pain from the blister on my right foot woke me up in the middle of the night ... I knew it was infected or something! The lady at the hotel told me there was nothing between Puenta La Reina de Jaca and the next stop, 20 kilometers down the road. No coffee break ... with my feet in this condition? Yikes! It was an unexpected blessing that she advised me to take along a sandwich. After ordering a cheese sandwich I hit the road, limping along in my shower sandals.

After walking several kilometers, realized I was lost and headed back to the hotel … my feet couldn’t take any more. Why did I miss the turn? I was looking right at the road sign ...”Arres 3.3 kilometers”, thinking to myself ... Oh! How I wish I was going that way. I could have a coffee break after the 3.3 kilometers. Then for some strange reason, completely ignoring the impulse, headed in the opposite direction ... the wrong direction.

My mind was off contemplating the wonder of camels ... how they are built to do without water for days and days and how their feet are like slippers. Most other animals like the horse, donkey, cow, deer and pig have hard hooves. So I walk 5 or 6 or 7 kilometers in the wrong direction. Why so far before doubting myself? The same little old yellow car that prompted me to turn around and head back to the hotel was pulling into the hotel at the same time as I arrived ... Hmmm.

I met Brother Joe at the same restaurant that evening ... he told me about his adventures in Pamplona and invited me to join him the next day ... he would be visiting some of his ancestral sites. This time I agreed ... and as it turns out ... thank goodness! Seems I was destined to go along with Brother Joe on this particular trip and not on the trip to Pamplona. Brother Joe would bring me to the Javier Castle ... Wow! ... the birthplace of St Francis Xavier. Oh the mysterious ways of God!

I am especially grateful ... well perhaps grateful is not all I’m feeling. I am intrigued that the circumstances and encounter with Brother Joe brought me to Javier. I would never have known that Javier was the birthplace of St Francis Xavier. This experience reminds me of the twists and turns on my trip to London that landed me in Loyola Spain a year ago. Loyola is the hometown of St Ignacio; Francis and Ignacio were classmates at the University of Paris and founded the Order of the Jesuits together. Also, one day I found myself in Monserat … in the cathedral where St Ignatius had his conversion experience … where he gave his sword to the statue of the black Madonna. Many Jesuit priests would cross my path and help me in one way or another.Hmmm again!

Connecting the dots ... or perhaps stretching the imagination :-)
            1) In Nevers ... Ste Bernadette ... and Lourdes ... Virgin Mary ... getting 'Drunk on LOVE' ... Divine Love ... Agape Love.
            1) The gentleman in Jaca who gave me the word 'Ultreya' and pointed me towards Puente La Reina de Jaca. Puente La Reina means ... "Bridge of the Queen" ... the Virgin Mary ? ... Queen of Heaven.
            2) Brother Joe being a member of the Holy Cross Family Ministries ... their principle ministry is the Rosary Ministry ... distributed more than 20 million rosaries since 1991. The founder Father Peyton’s famous phrase, “the family that prays together stays together". Seems to connect so strongly with my understanding of my mission ... help families ... and my passion for the rosary. Hmmm
            3)The introduction to St Francis Xavier who is Patron Saint of Missionaries  ... Ste Thérèse of Lisieux was declared co-patron of the missionairies with St Francis Xavier. Yikes!! St Francis died while trying to get into China … and here I am in China … wondering why I’m here.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:50 am

more emerging memories ...

Is there a pattern here?

1) The story of the Jesuits

2) The story of the Templars.

3) The story of the Merovingian Kings ... some say Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne took a Merovingian wife to ease his guilt.

4) The story of the Cathars

5) The story of Rennes-le-Chateau
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:01 pm

What are the connections between each? and how do those connections affect the last one and make it a final outcome of sorts?
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:49 pm

MagsJ wrote:What are the connections between each? and how do those connections affect the last one and make it a final outcome of sorts?


Readers ... I want to say "spoon feeding" is for infants ... but that sounds uncharitable.

Perhaps the Master Buddhists rendition of the same phrase is more palatable ... paraphrasing ... telling other people what to see is "unskilled".
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:09 am

Well I'm not sitting an exam on my question, but am actually interested in your take on my inquiry.. I can easily look up mine... did you not stop to think that?

I tend to check the way I feel about others' outlook on something or their outlook in general... I sometimes find others interesting, and interesting in that way, but they've got to be interesting in the first place, and so I find your negative reply brash.
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Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:41 am

MagsJ wrote:Well I'm not sitting an exam on my question, but am actually interested in your take on my inquiry.. I can easily look up mine... did you not stop to think that?

I tend to check the way I feel about others' outlook on something or their outlook in general... I sometimes find others interesting, and interesting in that way, but they've got to be interesting in the first place, and so I find your negative reply brash.


Mags and other readers:

1) Seems I'm in a bit of an ornery mood this morning ... maybe it's PMS :lol:

2) For those readers who don't 'see' it ... those readers who can't see beyond the thin veneer of their own ego ... this OP is an emotional response to A Shieldmaiden's spurious comments about the Jesuit community. Without his/her trigger this OP would not exist.

3) I suppose it's how one views education and education systems. For me ... across time and space our education and education sytems have one underlying purpose ... to tell people what to believe ... to tell people what to see ... to tell people what to feel ... to tell people what they need ... yes ... our education system even tells us how badly we need an education ... the "cookie cutter" form of education they serve up to us. What a monstrocity! James boils it down to 34 words. I have rarely read such profundity expressed in so few words. kudos to James =D>

The truth often is(destructive). And sometimes it changes from being what everyone needs to know to what everyone should forget.

But the one thing you can count on, is that lying is always present.


4) Across the same time and space there have always been the "Obstinate Few" ... perhaps the same community as the "Righteous Ones" that have refused to float downstream with the mainstream. Rather ... despite grave personal sacrifice ... these few swim upstream against the current. Suppose this is yet another natural characteristic of human evolution.

5) What is fueling the recent propensity towards individualism and populism? Perhaps it's simply a growing community of people where fatigue and frustration have set in ... with mainstream. This growing community doesn't seem to know what it wants ... it only knows it doesn't want more of the same.

Mags ... you find my response brash?

Hmmm! I'm still waiting for your reply to the following ...

pilgrim_tom wrote:
Though nature seems to have a finger in the pie as well ... the easy oil has been where it is for a very very long time. Humans waited a very very long time for oil to be come the currency of the day.

Mags wrote
...and I'm sure the main power players were in the best position to take advantage of that situation when that time arrived.. to own the oil, just like it has been happening with resources globally ever since.

Pilgrim_tom wrote
Mags ... are you referring to the puppeteers of Sykes and Picot as in Sykes-Picot accord?

A much less known event took place in a tiny village in Portugal ... Fatima ... about a year later. I have often wondered if there is any connection between the choice of location for the event and the Prophet Mohamed's daughter Fatima.

Mags wrote
[b]No, but I will look it up to see the correlation... intriguing so far, and I haven't even looked it up yet.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:06 am


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2) For those readers who don't 'see' it ... those readers who can't see beyond the thin veneer of their own ego ... this OP is an emotional response to A Shieldmaiden's spurious comments about the Jesuit community. Without his/her trigger this OP would not exist.


Everything I have written regarding the Jesuits can be verified.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:44 am

pilgrim_tom wrote:2) For those readers who don't 'see' it ... those readers who can't see beyond the thin veneer of their own ego ... this OP is an emotional response to A Shieldmaiden's spurious comments about the Jesuit community. Without his/her trigger this OP would not exist.


A Shieldmaiden wrote:Everything I have written regarding the Jesuits can be verified.


I haven't challenged the veracity of your comments ... only attempted to encourage readers to look at the whole picture rather than gaze at a particularly unpleasant corner of the picture.

As I mentioned in another OP ... telling the truth ... but not the whole truth ... is lying.

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The suppression of the Jesuits in the Portuguese Empire (1759), France (1764), the Two Sicilies, Malta, Parma and the Spanish Empire (1767) is a highly controversial subject. It has been argued that it was a result of a series of localized political moves rather than a theological controversy.[1] Monarchies attempting to centralize and secularize political power viewed the Jesuits as being too international, too strongly allied to the papacy, and too autonomous from the monarchs in whose territory they operated.[2] By the brief Dominus ac Redemptor (21 July 1773) Pope Clement XIV suppressed the Society of Jesus. The Jesuits took refuge in non-Catholic nations, particularly in Prussia and Russia, where the order was either ignored or formally rejected. The Jesuits were allowed to return to many places starting in the late nineteenth century.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:56 am

PT wrote:
I haven't challenged the veracity of your comments


Yes you have in your comment below
this OP is an emotional response to A Shieldmaiden's spurious comments not being what it purports to be; false or fake about the Jesuit community.
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Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:38 pm

A Shieldmaiden wrote:PT wrote:
I haven't challenged the veracity of your comments


Yes you have in your comment below
this OP is an emotional response to A Shieldmaiden's spurious comments not being what it purports to be; false or fake about the Jesuit community.


A Shieldmaiden wrote:the Jesuits were commissioned by the Pope to develop a new interpretation of Scripture.


A Shieldmaiden wrote:abandon the doctrines, hence Jesuit Futurism was born


AS ... the words "the Jesuits" implies the entire community of Jesuits.

Again ... the words "Jesuit Futurism" implies the entire community.

Both implications are spurious/false.

Moreno ... do you remember him? ... rightly rebuked me when I attempted to escape the "implications" of some stuff I wrote in my posts. I miss his lofty commentary.
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Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:57 pm

JSS and myself had a short discourse on Catholicism/Jesuits if you are interested enough to read in the thread

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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:02 pm

pilgrim_tom wrote:Mags ... you find my response brash?

Yes brash.. and rash.. and negative.. and uninformed.. and presumptious.. and very unthoughtthrough before being delivered.

There are some men I know.. Middle-Eastern in origin, and they constantly tell me what I should do and how I should think and even feel.. I have found the reply "Well that's one option" works well in these situations I find myself in when around them... such a pleasant reply stops me from having to revert back to my younger self and resort to profanities and threats of committing homicide towards them. :)

Hmmm! I'm still waiting for your reply to the following ...

Mags wrote
...and I'm sure the main power players were in the best position to take advantage of that situation when that time arrived.. to own the oil, just like it has been happening with resources globally ever since.

Pilgrim_tom wrote
Mags ... are you referring to the puppeteers of Sykes and Picot as in Sykes-Picot accord?

Mags wrote
[b]No, but I will look it up to see the correlation... intriguing so far, and I haven't even looked it up yet.
I have now replied, but I didn't reply then because the intrigue gave way to disappointment.. disappointment in man yet again. Such barbarism started when trade between differing nations started 100s of years BCE, and greed got the better of some... I see nothing has changed since then.

Science Fiction always themes/revolves around alien attacks, but that is from the minds of men.. not the minds of non men. They may even be a refreshing change.
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Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:11 pm

MagsJ wrote:
pilgrim_tom wrote:Mags ... you find my response brash?

Yes brash.. and rash.. and negative.. and uninformed.. and presumptious.. and very unthought through before being delivered.


Emotional responses generally are ... no?

Violation of one's personal sacred space most often elicits an emotional outburst. Suppose that's why so few people share stuff from their personal sacred space. Kinda makes most conversation sterile though.

I apologize for any 'hurt' you experienced from my comments. I have since recovered ... and you?

pilgrim_tom wrote:Hmmm! I'm still waiting for your reply to the following ...

Mags wrote
...and I'm sure the main power players were in the best position to take advantage of that situation when that time arrived.. to own the oil, just like it has been happening with resources globally ever since.

Pilgrim_tom wrote
Mags ... are you referring to the puppeteers of Sykes and Picot as in Sykes-Picot accord?

Mags wrote
[b]No, but I will look it up to see the correlation... intriguing so far, and I haven't even looked it up yet.


mags wrote:I have now replied, but I didn't reply then because the intrigue gave way to disappointment.. disappointment in man yet again. Such barbarism started when trade between differing nations started 100s of years BCE, and greed got the better of some... I see nothing has changed since then.

Science Fiction always themes/revolves around alien attacks, but that is from the minds of men.. not the minds of non men. They may even be a refreshing change.


Mags ... IMHO not much of a response ... perhaps your 'hurt' mentioned above influenced your analysis. ???
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:31 pm

I find the concurrent events of October/November 1917 quite intriguing ... especially since they all seem to be still very much in play today.

1) The Balfour Declaration.

2) The Bolshevik Revolution.

3) The fall of the Ottoman Empire

4) The final apparition of the Virgin Mary October 13th in Fatima Porugal
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Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:18 am

Let me try to put some 'meat on the bones'.

I'll back up before going forward lest I be accused of talking politics in the Religion/Spirituality forum. My posts in this OP stem ... at least in part ... from the following post:

pilgrim_tom wrote:Though nature seems to have a finger in the pie as well ... the easy oil has been where it is for a very very long time. Humans waited a very very long time for oil to become the currency of the day.


Again to be completely upfront let me exchange the word 'nature' in the above quote with the word 'God' ... for some the words are interchangeable ... for others ... not.

My intention(s) in sharing my thoughts/intuitions stem from my efforts (ambition) to help people understand and know God better.

"For man proposes, but God disposes; neither is the way of man in his own hands."


Man's "Great Game" begins with Henry Ford ... when he said all men should own one of his Model T's and they could choose any colour they wanted as long as it was black. Seems colour is an important component of communication ... no pun intended.

Ford's ambition spawned an economic explosion that makes the industrial Revolution pale in comparison.
Now back to the easy oil in the Middle East. It is no conspiracy theory to claim that serious conflict was inevitable in the Middle East. Empirical evidence abounds that consistently confirms man's propensity to protect his 'prize(s)' ... the bigger the prize the more intense the propensity to protect ... almost always through the use of force ... aka military power.

Cheap oil is the 'prize' ... oil is the new 'currency'.

The casual observer likely connects the conflict in Israel for the past century to the Balfour Declaration ... perhaps there is some subtle subterfuge. Obviously, morality and ethics are at play ... one can not be seen to be coveting his neighbor's goods. (prize)

Yet ... there is an absolute need for a substantial military beach head in the Middle East to protect the 'prize'.
Et Voila ... a sufficient military beach head in the Middle East camouflaged by the cloak of religion ... if true ... absolutely brilliant!

So where is the invisible Hand of God in all this?

The apparitions of the Virgin Mary in Fatima Portugal.

Pope Francis consecrated his papacy to Our Lady of Fatima and he said he didn't expect his papacy to go beyond a couple of years ... was he speaking of early retirement? ... as Pope Benedict elected a few years ago.

The "Third Secret of Fatima" ... an outcome of the apparitions ... has always been an enigma. It was kept secret by the Vatican for 50 years or so ... the text of the secret points to an "Armageddon" type event.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:12 pm

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MagsJ wrote:
pilgrim_tom wrote:Mags ... you find my response brash?

Yes brash.. and rash.. and negative.. and uninformed.. and presumptious.. and very unthought through before being delivered.
Emotional responses generally are ... no?

Violation of one's personal sacred space most often elicits an emotional outburst. Suppose that's why so few people share stuff from their personal sacred space. Kinda makes most conversation sterile though.

I apologize for any 'hurt' you experienced from my comments. I have since recovered ... and you?

Hurt? I have nothing to recover from, but thank you for your concern.

pilgrim_tom wrote:Hmmm! I'm still waiting for your reply to the following ...
mags wrote:I have now replied, but I didn't reply then because the intrigue gave way to disappointment.. disappointment in man yet again. Such barbarism started when trade between differing nations started 100s of years BCE, and greed got the better of some... I see nothing has changed since then.

Science Fiction always themes/revolves around alien attacks, but that is from the minds of men.. not the minds of non men. They may even be a refreshing change.
Mags ... IMHO not much of a response ... perhaps your 'hurt' mentioned above influenced your analysis. ???
Hurt? we have not established whether I was hurt or not, so why are you moving forward on the basis that I was? I expected a reply in kind and not this continuing personal type of exchange?
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:32 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Mags ... you find my response brash?

Yes brash.. and rash.. and negative.. and uninformed.. and presumptious.. and very unthought through before being delivered. [/quote]Emotional responses generally are ... no?

Violation of one's personal sacred space most often elicits an emotional outburst. Suppose that's why so few people share stuff from their personal sacred space. Kinda makes most conversation sterile though.

I apologize for any 'hurt' you experienced from my comments. I have since recovered ... and you?[/quote]
Hurt? I have nothing to recover from, but thank you for your concern.

pilgrim_tom wrote:Hmmm! I'm still waiting for your reply to the following ...
mags wrote:I have now replied, but I didn't reply then because the intrigue gave way to disappointment.. disappointment in man yet again. Such barbarism started when trade between differing nations started 100s of years BCE, and greed got the better of some... I see nothing has changed since then.

Science Fiction always themes/revolves around alien attacks, but that is from the minds of men.. not the minds of non men. They may even be a refreshing change.
Mags ... IMHO not much of a response ... perhaps your 'hurt' mentioned above influenced your analysis. ???

Hurt?

OK ... so my intuition isn't always right. :lol:
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:29 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:OK... so my intuition isn't always right. :lol:

Aye aye Pilgrim :handgestures-salute:
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Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:55 am

MagsJ wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:OK... so my intuition isn't always right. :lol:

Aye aye Pilgrim :handgestures-salute:


Mags ... food for thought

You wrote somewhere ... something to the effect ... that you feel more comfortable riding in the back of the bus ... versus up front as the driver or chief navigator.

James Hillman would likely argue that somewhere in your being you know that taking the seat with your name on it ... in the front of the bus ... would present a daunting ... and potentially dangerous challenge.

Hillman would likely go on to argue that at the appropriate time the chains that have you bound in a lethargic state will snap and set you free ... giving you no option but go to the front of the bus and take the seat with your name on it.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:28 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:OK... so my intuition isn't always right. :lol:
Aye aye Pilgrim :handgestures-salute:
Mags ... food for thought

You wrote somewhere ... something to the effect ... that you feel more comfortable riding in the back of the bus ... versus up front as the driver or chief navigator.

It's more the highest front-facing seats at the midpoint of the lower deck of the bus.. a good view all round, and out the window too ;)

James Hillman would likely argue that somewhere in your being you know that taking the seat with your name on it ... in the front of the bus ... would present a daunting ... and potentially dangerous challenge.
Would he? would it?

Hillman would likely go on to argue that at the appropriate time the chains that have you bound in a lethargic state will snap and set you free ... giving you no option but go to the front of the bus and take the seat with your name on it.
I would liken fatigue more to being trapped in an eddy than binds.. occasionally rising out of it.. only to drop back in when spent. I am simply a statistic of a product of a toxic world.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:26 am

I am simply a statistic of a product of a toxic world.


Mags ... you are a flicker of light ... a glimmer of hope personified ... during a dark and gloomy night for humanity.
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Re: Jesuits ... a few shit disturbers ... or more?

Postby MagsJ » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:36 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
I am simply a statistic of a product of a toxic world.


Mags ... you are a flicker of light ... a glimmer of hope personified ... during a dark and gloomy night for humanity.

I think that's you. :)
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