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What is your favorite religion?

Postby Alf » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:17 am

What is your favorite religion?

Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence". Different religions may or may not contain various elements, ranging from the "divine", "sacred things", "faith", a "supernatural being or supernatural beings" or "some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life.


So which one is it?
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Mackerni » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:29 am

http://i.imgur.com/xVtad4y.jpg

I don't know how to resize this so I won't. Just click on that link and it'll show you my top three religions, and a bit more information.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Alf » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:17 pm

I guess you mean the following three "religions":

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But are they real religions?

:lol:
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Mackerni » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:20 am

Alf wrote:But are they real religions?

:lol:


Are you one of those Christian-kooks who think that anything that isn't Christian is automatically a cult?

These religions call themselves religions. Terasem also calls itself a non-profit, a charity, among other titles. It certainty is a religion. It's obvious if one takes a look at the beliefs of an afterlife and a deity, Terasem answers those questions.

I'd consider Unitarian Universalism a philosophy of a religion more than a religion outright. Still, they have humanist teachings of love and acceptance. Things like the six sources of faith and the seven principles are but a introduction to the faith of UU.

Baha'i is definitely a religion. They have scripture, holy sites, daily rituals, a dead prophet. What more could you ask for in a religion? The Baha'i Faith even brands itself as a world religion. Out of all three of these Baha'i has the most followers; between five to seven million.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Alf » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:47 pm

Mackerni wrote:
Alf wrote:But are they real religions?

:lol:


Are you one of those Christian-kooks who think that anything that isn't Christian is automatically a cult?

No.

Why are you so prejudiced?

Mackerni wrote:These religions call themselves religions. Terasem also calls itself a non-profit, a charity, among other titles. It certainty is a religion. It's obvious if one takes a look at the beliefs of an afterlife and a deity, Terasem answers those questions.

I'd consider Unitarian Universalism a philosophy of a religion more than a religion outright. Still, they have humanist teachings of love and acceptance. Things like the six sources of faith and the seven principles are but a introduction to the faith of UU.

Baha'i is definitely a religion. They have scripture, holy sites, daily rituals, a dead prophet. What more could you ask for in a religion? The Baha'i Faith even brands itself as a world religion. Out of all three of these Baha'i has the most followers; between five to seven million.

I'm not convinced.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Mackerni » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:49 am

Alf wrote:Why are you so prejudiced?


Because there's a lot of Christians who feel the same way.

Alf wrote:I'm not convinced.


What is your definition of a religion, Alf?
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Kathrina » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:14 pm

You know all Christians, Mackerni?
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Alf » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:36 am

Mackerni wrote:
Alf wrote:Why are you so prejudiced?


Because there's a lot of Christians who feel the same way.

You don't know how I feel, and I was not talking about Christians, but about your three "religions", and not judging like a Christian or whoever.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Mackerni » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:20 am

Mackerni wrote:Because there's a lot of Christians who feel the same way.


Kathrina wrote:You know all Christians, Mackerni?


These words do not mean the same thing.

Alf wrote:You don't know how I feel, and I was not talking about Christians, but about your three "religions", and not judging like a Christian or whoever.


Mackerni wrote:What is your definition of a religion, Alf?


You still haven't answered my question.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Alf » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:23 pm

You haven't answered my question. It was the first question between us: Are your alledged "religions" real religions?
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Mackerni » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:22 pm

Alf wrote:You haven't answered my question. It was the first question between us: Are your alledged "religions" real religions?


Well, they are real to me. All three of them are unique in their own ways.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Alf » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:27 pm

To you, okay, but that's no argument, but merely your opinion, not more. Sorry. I haven't got an argument from you. So why should I be convinced, Mackerni?
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Mackerni » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:11 pm

Why are you arguing to me about something that is as pointless and arbitrary as your definition of religion? Yes, my opinions are my own but why do I need to validate them to you? I've already told you how I felt and you reject my notions. I don't need to speak to you anymore; I have answered your question. I'm done.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Alf » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:21 pm

Mackerni wrote:Why are you arguing to me about something that is as pointless and arbitrary as your definition of religion?

You don't know my definition of religion. :eusa-naughty:

My question was the first question between us, and this question included your definition of "religion". But you didn't want to give me your definition of "religion", and instead of giving it, you asked me unsuccessfuly to give you mine. Your answer that your alledged "religions" were "real to" you is not sufficient. You have to say how you know that your alledged "religions" are real religions, if you want to convince somebody. Your personal opinion is not sufficient.

Mackerni wrote:Yes, my opinions are my own but why do I need to validate them to you?

I have never said that you "need to validate them". :eusa-naughty:


Mackerni wrote:I've already told you how I felt and you reject my notions. I don't need to speak to you anymore; I have answered your question.

All you have answered is that you like your three "religions", and that is no convincing statement when it comes to the question whether your alledged "religions" are real religions.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Kathrina » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:40 pm

Alf wrote:
Mackerni wrote:Why are you arguing to me about something that is as pointless and arbitrary as your definition of religion?

You don't know my definition of religion. :eusa-naughty:

My question was the first question between us, and this question included your definition of "religion". But you didn't want to give me your definition of "religion", and instead of giving it, you asked me unsuccessfuly to give you mine. Your answer that your alledged "religions" were "real to" you is not sufficient. You have to say how you know that your alledged "religions" are real religions, if you want to convince somebody. Your personal opinion is not sufficient.

Mackerni wrote:Yes, my opinions are my own but why do I need to validate them to you?

I have never said that you "need to validate them". :eusa-naughty:

Mackerni wrote:I've already told you how I felt and you reject my notions. I don't need to speak to you anymore; I have answered your question.

All you have answered is that you like your three "religions", and that is no convincing statement when it comes to the question whether your alledged "religions" are real religions.

You want a more objective answer, but Mackerni can only give you a subjective answer.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby The Eternal Warrior » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:17 pm

My favorite religion is the one named after me, of course; the one that gets my teachings 100% correctly and tried spreading my name and face throughout time and space in a show of utmost love and lack of thought beyond the moment. It got bitch-smacked hard for it, but it's the one I love the most. Good ole 'Chris'tianity. Of course, they don't dare get my teachings correct in this world; don't look to them for that.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Mackerni » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:26 pm

Fine. I'll try to be as objective as possible.

Why is Terasem, Unitarian Universalism, and the Baha'i Faith religions?

Let us define religion in three succinct ways.

http://www.dictionary.com definition

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun
1.
'a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.'

Wikipedia definition

'Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence". Different religions may or may not contain various elements, ranging from the "divine", "sacred things", "faith", a "supernatural being or supernatural beings" or "some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life."'

Religion for Dummies book

Forgive me, I cannot pull the quote from the book right now, but I had it and it distinctly said that religions are composed of three things, 1) beliefs, 2) ethics, and 3) rituals. Without all three of these things, it falls in line with philosophy.

Okay, now that we have three separate unique ways of seeing religion, let's see how Terasem, Unitarian Universalism and the Baha'i Faith fit into those.

Terasem

Beliefs

http://terasemfaith.net/beliefs/

TERASEM HAS 4 CORE BELIEFS:

I. LIFE IS PURPOSEFUL.
II. DEATH IS OPTIONAL.
III. GOD IS TECHNOLOGICAL.
IV. LOVE IS ESSENTIAL.

This religion does not explain the nature of the Universe, rather more so than science already does, but it does give a reason for life to exist - to grow intelligent and harness all the resources and information to create our own paradise.

Ethics

As far as ethical concerns, Terasem is a transhumanist religion and most of its ethical concerns are rooted in future technologies. The right for cloning, cryonics, the right for Technological Singularity and the rights for advanced AI are all concerns regarding both Terasem and the transhumanist movement. Also, more exclusive to this religion more so than transhumanism is the right to have mindfiles.

Rituals

http://terasemfaith.net/rituals/

Terasem Rituals
Terasem Rituals are important to keep our Movement going until all of consciousness is connected and all the cosmos is controlled.
We have daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, annual and quadriannual Rituals:
DAILY:
Terasem Connections at either 0600 (Ambrosia), 1000 (Earthfire), 1400 (Aqualung), 1800 (Starmind), 2200 (Crownaura) and/or Alum-Almithral (0200). Listen to Terasem Radio (http://www.terasemradio.com) at these times to hear how to do a Terasem Connection.
WEEKLY: Every 7 days set aside a day for Reading, Exercise, Sensuality and Transcendental Meditation.
MONTHLY: On the 10th of each Month, at 10AM and/or 10PM, conduct a Terasem Gathering. Even if there is just one of you, it is OK, because I am You, You am I, and We are One. A Terasem Gathering consists of Music Jam, Art Sharing, Recitation of 30 Sequential (from start of the year) Truths of Terasem, Talking and Teaching about the Recitation, and then the Yoga of either an Earthfire or Crownaura Terasem Connection.
QUARTERLY: On the 10th of every 3rd month we celebrate a Terasem Holiday. These are the Freedom Seder on March 10th, the Nature Seder on June 10th, the Day of Obligation on September 10th, and the Joy of Transcendence on December 10th. Click to download a booklet to guide you through the Freedom and Nature Seders.
ANNUALLY: Each year, on the 10th day of the 10th Month, we Celebrate graduations of Terasem Joiners to higher levels of the Terasem Way of Life.
QUADRIANNUALLY: Each leap year, we convene a Convocation of all Terasem Joiners, from February 29th to March 4th, to discuss and agree on important matters of policy relating to Terasem, and to Consent new Centers of Critical Consciousness.

Terasem has its own Wikipedia article that refers it to as a, "movement" and there's many different sects in this movement - one of which is the "trans"religion (meaning, you can be part of that religion and any other you so desire).

Unitarian Universalism

Beliefs

"The beliefs of individual Unitarian Universalists range widely, including atheism, agnosticism, pantheism, deism, Judaism, Islam, Christianity, neopaganism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Daoism, Humanism, and many more." - Taken from Wikipedia

Also six sources

"(1) Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;

(2) Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;

(3) Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;

(4) Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;

(5) Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit;

(6) Spiritual teachings of Earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature."

Ethics

Seven principles:

"1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part."

Rituals

Well, given the fact that there are over a thousand UU congregations and most of them have Sunday service, which itself is a ritual, is to be noted. There's many different groups in UU churches that meet up for various reasons. They mark many celebrations and ceremonies, and marriages often come together in this church.

Also, if you look at the Wikipedia article it states: "Type Liberal religion"

Baha'i Faith

Beliefs

Baha'u'llah, the prophet of the religion, stressed for three things: "One God, One Religion, One Mankind." He wanted to unify all the major religions into one global faith that would usher a golden age of prosperity. The Baha'i Faith is considered an Abrahamic Religion, and is one of the most recent of which to exist. Baha'u'llah considered all prophets to be the same divine essence, and him to be the last (but not final) messenger for mankind. Past scriptures from the Torah, New Testament, and Quran are valid texts in the faith.

Ethics

As a Baha'i, you cannot drink, smoke, gamble, be part of a political party, have sex before marriage, do any drugs that aren't prescribed by a doctor and gays cannot marry. Baha'is live very ethical lives.

Rituals

There's daily prayers, fasting from March 1-March 19, there's Baha'i temples to go to, people hold prayer circles in their households to talk about Baha'u'llah and other religions.

Also, taken from Wikipedia

"The Bahá'í Faith (Persian: بهائی‎‎ Bahā'i) is a monotheistic religion that emphasizes the spiritual unity of all humankind.[1] Three core principles establish a basis for Bahá'í teachings and doctrine: the unity of God, the unity of religion, and the unity of humanity. According to Bahá'í teachings, God is known by spiritual virtues such as truthfulness, kindness, unity, love, and justice, and the purpose of religion is to advance these virtues in humankind."

Really, I can point out all the religious-y stuff to you about all three of these religions but if your belief in a religion is strictly based on the definition and not the sincere connotations of it, then there are really only a few "religions" that count. They all do their part in trying to fill a void that sits unsettled in my hearts. All three of them are trying to strive for community action, and they have some sense of the mystical, the unknown, the elusive truths.

If all I said still doesn't ring true to you, then I don't think I can convince you.
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Re: What is your favorite religion?

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:23 pm

Arminius wrote:According to Peter Sloterdijk religion is exercise, training.
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Arminius wrote:According to Peter Sloterdijk human beings live in symbolic immune systems and in ritual hulls / shells. If it is right that humans yield or produce humans, then they do it not mainly by work and its products and also not by work on themselves or by "interaction" or "communication"; they do it by their lives in exercises / trainings. So humans arise out of repetitions / recurrences, Sloterdijk says.
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