How about you?
What "here and now" do you believe your own fate to be "beyond"? How is this related to your current belief in God? And what of those who reject your frame of mind -- the stuff that you claim to believe or know to be true "in your head"? What is to be their own fate?
I don't know how many times I'm supposed to say "I don't know", "It's not my decision", "It's not under my control" .
Then we are back again to square one. Or, rather, to my square one.
This one: The gap between that which you have come existentially
to believe is true in your head [here and now] regarding God and religion, and the ability to actually demonstrate why essentially
all reasonable/rational men and women ought to believe the same.
Let alone how you would then connect that frame of mind to the frame of mind that revolves around particular moral and political issues you opine about in the government and society forum.
And those are always
the dots that I aim to connect.
Which is why, over and over and over again, I copy/paste this: 1] I was raised in the belly of the working class beast. My family/community were very conservative. Abortion was a sin.
2] I was drafted into the Army and while on my "tour of duty" in Vietnam I happened upon politically radical folks who reconfigured my thinking about abortion. And God and lots of other things.
3] after I left the Army, I enrolled in college and became further involved in left wing politics. It was all the rage back then. I became a feminist. I married a feminist. I wholeheartedly embraced a woman's right to choose.
4] then came the calamity with Mary and John. I loved them both but their engagement was foundering on the rocks that was Mary's choice to abort their unborn baby.
5] back and forth we all went. I supported Mary but I could understand the points that John was making. I could understand the arguments being made on both sides. John was right from his side and Mary was right from hers.
6] I read William Barrett's Irrational Man and came upon his conjectures regarding "rival goods".
7] Then, over time, I abandoned an objectivist frame of mind that revolved around Marxism/feminism. Instead, I became more and more embedded in existentialism. And then as more years passed I became an advocate for moral nihilism.
That way, with respect to
the existential relationship between my own value judgments and God and religion, I can articulate the actual sequence of events that, "out in my own particular world", came to intertwine them.
All I am after here [from the objectivists] is something [anything] along this line with respect to the organic -- "out in the world" -- trajectory that their
values [here and now] have evolved from.
And then, concomitantly, the manner in which, from their own perspective, this is farther removed from
dasein, conflicting goods and political economy.
relates to God and religion.
But, sure, if all you yourself can think of is that you "don't know", and that it's "not your decision" and that it's "beyond your control", then we're probably stymied in moving forward.
And yet you still insist that...
phyllo wrote: I've tried to talk to you about this dozens of times. And I'm not the only one.
Right, others like Satyr/Lyssa and Turd and Jacob and James and Uccisore etc., have too.
Sorry, I forgot.
phyllo wrote: But when it's in progress, it's the same cut and paste discussion over and over. Yeah, after a while ... they don't want talk to you any more.
That's when you declare victory.
Well, at least no one is actually required
to read/respond to me here.
And, again, what sort of "victory" have I achieved being utterly entangled in this:If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values "I" can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction...or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then "I" begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically.How do I even begin to explain how fractured and fragmented "I" becomes when immersed in this grim quandary.
And, in not being able to believe in God or in a religious agenda, I'm edging closer and closer to oblivion all the time. Some victory, my friend.