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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:35 pm

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HaHaHa wrote:You plan on creating a new religious cult? Will there be Koolaid?

Actually I was thinking maybe just bumming members from buddhism.
And also atheists are welcome.
The ideal of people living together and being freinds is more important than a religion.


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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:16 pm

Soberity of mind is a huge ideal for me.
But some people like the opposite.
In fact, many people want the opposite.
This, to me, is the reason why alcoholics exist.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:55 pm

Dan~ wrote:Soberity of mind is a huge ideal for me.
But some people like the opposite.
In fact, many people want the opposite.
This, to me, is the reason why alcoholics exist.

I only smoke cigarettes which someday I'll quit. I drink very little to none of alcohol.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:34 am

I think it will all start with a camp set up.
Free public utilities and parking space.
Later as money increases, more living space will be made.
Shed sized sleeping rooms will be for winter,
if anyone is too poor to afford better.
Unheated recreational and storage buildings would be for summer.
There will be a large kenel for small dogs, and also chickens in a different place.
Free fried eggs every morning. And free tea.

If my family were to support my idea, it could grow and spread and become perfected a lot faster.
But honestly my family is kinda f-ed up. They will waste time and money.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:08 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6K_vxSTFVA

Kurzweil's consciousness-based-morality, a lot like my own.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:30 am

Dan,

How'd you get to be so sweet? :D
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:34 am

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Dan, How'd you get to be so sweet? :D

Funny. I hope it was the product of will.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:22 am

Recently I explained to some Christian friends why I believe Satan is dead.
He's not a god, he's just 1 angel. Corrupt kings don't live very long.
Even old fashioned gods would kill each other. A really mean sadistic being
would make enemies with everyone and every thing. It would eventually be destroyed by its own evil.


It's like these christian folks greatly need and require a satan, an enemy of god. Especially the JWs.
I'm convinced that the angelic satan is dead.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:43 am

Wish I was.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:03 am

So, i still want to start up a religion or commune. I need to meet more people, i think.

My latest writing is CHOP-church of pantheism.

Preface:
Just as men and women before you, God can be attained, and through God, truth, the true source of creation and the world. There is much confusion in the world. There is a great lack of divine goodness. Many souls travel to earth in order to be separated themselves from the truth, the Creator, and the law. Bad souls have spoiled the earth. This does not mean God is impossible, or evil. God’s power is absent, but it does exist.

Reality and God anatomy:
The universe is growing. It was created out of necessity and progress. It was not created for a cheap thrill, or as a monument to an egoic-god-figure. Matter and energy are important things. They are the consistency and substance of existing and living. God needs substance, and so do we. The universe was born, not built. Reality is natural. Our human intelligence is made of smaller forms of consciousness and mechanism. The cells have some capacities, and when they combine effort and order, they produce thought, and life. Likewise the pantheistic God’s body and mind are made of cells. G-cells. These are similar to people. Each one has power, intelligence, process, order, etc. Angels are part of the God anatomy. Other religious deities, some are parts of the G-cell network. One cell is as powerful as a deity that a human would commonly worship. Not all of these divine figures are part of the divine anatomy, but quite a few are. We as parts of God, have a great purpose. We are meant to produce and help all types of life. Nobody is forced to be a part of their Creator, but many people hunger for this. They want more goodness, less loneliness.

The troubles of the world:
God is incomplete. Likewise all creation is incomplete. One part completes the other, but reality was made due to this incompleteness. The troubles of the world are cyclical disease, and cancerous souls. Sometimes we become hurt or angry because of evil. All negative sensations can be transcended eventually. Discouragement is a big problem in human life. The troubles of the world can be very discouraging. However, everyone can make a small improvement at the least. This world is an example of how good things need our support. Creation and Creator are not entirely divided from each other. Love and courage are keys to a better reality.

What can we do?
[1]Realize that virtue is more important than obtaining pleasure or escaping from pain.
[2]Occupy yourself with important matters and deeds.
[3]Meditation is a form of self-training. It can unlock the truth and clear the mind.
For example, a person could set up a herbal medicine green house. That would be very good and meaningful. Street drugs are examples of things that are dangerous because of how they shift a person’s awareness and priorities over to the drug instead of to the virtue. Waste of time and waste of money are a little bit like street drugs. They can waste or squander a life; or parts of a life. Being able to deny your pleasure is a huge thing. Many people will not do it. I can do it partially, but it is a sign of mastery when you can set aside all pleasures in favor of virtues and noble process. Maybe eventually I can become better too. Love of good is love in a divine form. Pleasure helps to motivate, but pleasure alone, refined, is not a good idea. Dark forces control through fear, and addiction. If we do not fear death, we become free, and it makes the evil rulers less powerful. If nobody wanted drugs there would be no drug mafias and cartels.

The problem of evil:
As far as I can sense, the answer is that the problem of evil is based in disease and temptation. The disease is like a cancer. Something starts out synergistic, harmonious and empowering, then a piece of it goes rouge and defective. The rouge tumor spreads and spreads. Temptation in this case refers to the opportunity to gain at someone else’s expense. Or get a cheap chemical thrill at an unreasonable price. Parasites tend to weaken or destroy their host over time. A parasite is a lot like a tumor. And when our desires betray us, that is temptation. When we get sick, sometimes it is not anyone’s fault. Evil is a lot like a sickness, and you can’t just blame satan for it, or blame free will. Those are cheap and ineffective solutions. When we find a patient at a hospital, the doctor can’t just say that it is our fault. Sometimes things are our fault, but disease and death claims the good and the bad. The problem of evil has to do with imperfections, mistakes, errors. It is the problem of death.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby gib » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:24 pm

Dan~ wrote:So, i still want to start up a religion or commune. I need to meet more people, i think.


Hi Dan,

How's this going? Is your religion a work in progress? I've got a religion that comes packaged with all the bells and whistles, ready to be deployed at a moment's notice.

Dan~ wrote:Preface:
Just as men and women before you, God can be attained, and through God, truth, the true source of creation and the world. There is much confusion in the world. There is a great lack of divine goodness. Many souls travel to earth in order to be separated themselves from the truth, the Creator, and the law. Bad souls have spoiled the earth. This does not mean God is impossible, or evil. God’s power is absent, but it does exist.


It sounds like you're a moral objectivist/absolutist, and the way to apprehend the moral truth is by closeness to God. Is that correct?

I've always thought that God is the wrong authority to consult when inquiring about morality. Morality is an exclusively human affair. We must consult our communities and ourselves. It is the human conscience which has the final say AFAIC, and there is no guarantee it will agree with those of other human beings.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:46 pm

gib wrote:
Dan~ wrote:So, i still want to start up a religion or commune. I need to meet more people, i think.

Hi Dan,
How's this going? Is your religion a work in progress? I've got a religion that comes packaged with all the bells and whistles, ready to be deployed at a moment's notice.

My relig is a work in progress yes. Where is your religion? I'd love to read it.
Things are going great.
Some of my best friends understand the ideology perfectly.



Dan~ wrote:Preface:
Just as men and women before you, God can be attained, and through God, truth, the true source of creation and the world. There is much confusion in the world. There is a great lack of divine goodness. Many souls travel to earth in order to be separated themselves from the truth, the Creator, and the law. Bad souls have spoiled the earth. This does not mean God is impossible, or evil. God’s power is absent, but it does exist.


It sounds like you're a moral objectivist/absolutist, and the way to apprehend the moral truth is by closeness to God. Is that correct?

I've always thought that God is the wrong authority to consult when inquiring about morality. Morality is an exclusively human affair. We must consult our communities and ourselves. It is the human conscience which has the final say AFAIC, and there is no guarantee it will agree with those of other human beings.


Well, i think there is a mix of absolute and relative morals. What ever works best for the people involved.
Closeness to God is like closeness to mom and dad. It's a good idea but you've got to discover most things on your own.

CHOP is supposed to be about direct contact between us and our creators.
Consulting with your maker, if it is still alive, can only reveal so much.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby gib » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:45 am

Dan~ wrote:My relig is a work in progress yes. Where is your religion? I'd love to read it.


Here!

I'll also PM you a copy of my book.

Besides the theory/doctrine, my religion also comprises practice: the exploration of alternate states of consciousness. <-- But that's not necessary for the religion to survive. It's mainly theory/doctrine oriented.

Dan~ wrote:Things are going great.
Some of my best friends understand the ideology perfectly.


So how would you summarize your ideology in a nutshell?

Dan~ wrote:CHOP is supposed to be about direct contact between us and our creators.
Consulting with your maker, if it is still alive, can only reveal so much.


So would these not be the same thing? Direct contact with our creator and consulting with him (it)? Is it a matter of balance? We need more direct contact with our creator but to always remember it will reveal only so much?

BTW, what does CHOP stand for?
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:01 am

So how would you summarize your ideology in a nutshell?

The idea that life and being alive is more important than race, gender, beliefs, etc.
Belief systems can help if you get the right ones,
but we gotta put things in order of priority.

There are two parts:
[1]CHOP is church of pantheism, which is supposed to be the truth about creation.
[2]RR is right reason, a philosophy that basically says that real virtue, morals, etc. tend to be logical, make sense, be reasonable, etc.
So basically, doing the right thing, is also doing what makes sense to do.
This means that god cant or shouldnt be unreasonable. An unreasonable god is not a good god.
And we serve the good, not the bad, etc.

How does that sound so far?
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby demoralized » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:34 am

Dan~ wrote:I want to spend my inheritance, when i get it, in the far future, upon a bunch of small interconnected houses.
I will find and invite people to live there. It will be on dad's farm land, so no rent issues.
We will have gardens and self-supplied organic foods.

The religion of Canada is freedom of choice.
So I must accept that first.
Next, I try to share my beliefs if it can help someone out.


I read the original post and think to myself - in a world before the Bible, I would endeavor to believe that a man had similar thoughts and began to organize people in such a fashion

We have recorded wisdoms that I think we would be well off not to forget, as a species

Keep in mind something as simple as eating (albeit consecrated) bread every week can serve a very innocent human purpose, to feed the masses.Your religion and catholicism seem to touch upon this common basis

Freedom of choice is a very appealing feature - I can't help but compare to Judaism/Christianity, where there are commandments which articulate things that people should both do and not do. (Don't kill, do keep holy the sabbath). I think sometimes humans are forgiving of eachother for being less than perfect with being consistent with these commandments. I can see how the freedom of choice would be a good thing in this regard, preventing humans from casting less-than-perfect judgement on eachother for complying with the rules/failing to do so. I do worry that a freedom of choice as a basis for a religion would encourage people to not follow the rules

I am interested in what was meant, specifically, by "freedom of choice". How you would approach freedom of choice from a religious standpoint? My mind goes "freedom to choose to do what?"

My initial thoughts on starting a religion: what rituals from common religions should be maintained? what additional rituals should be repeated to the point of a religion? (Should brushing ones teeth be important enough to bring into a religion?)
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:17 pm

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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby phyllo » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:51 pm

I do worry that a freedom of choice as a basis for a religion would encourage people to not follow the rules

I am interested in what was meant, specifically, by "freedom of choice". How you would approach freedom of choice from a religious standpoint? My mind goes "freedom to choose to do what?"
If you look at Christianity as an example, following the rules brings you closer to God and improves your life. Not following the rules makes your life worse. Your self-interest should motivate you to follow the rules. If you look at something specific like stealing ... although you can get some small thing of value, overall you lose more than you gain ... separated from God, you're living a dishonest life potentially in a society full of dishonest thieves.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby gib » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:24 pm

Dan~ wrote:There are two parts:
[1]CHOP is church of pantheism, which is supposed to be the truth about creation.
[2]RR is right reason, a philosophy that basically says that real virtue, morals, etc. tend to be logical, make sense, be reasonable, etc.
So basically, doing the right thing, is also doing what makes sense to do.
This means that god cant or shouldnt be unreasonable. An unreasonable god is not a good god.
And we serve the good, not the bad, etc.

How does that sound so far?


It sounds like you've got something sustainable. It's good that you follow reason and common sense rather than dogma as that will most likely encourage followers to stick with the religion on their own accord.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:20 pm

Good things do not produce evil things,
and evil thing do not produce good things.
Therefor a good world comes from a good force, or creator.
However, my mormon friends seem to think that satan and evil are somehow necessary or are a part of freedom.
Freedom is good.
Freedom does not produce slavery,
and slavery does not produce freedom.

You see where i am going with this?
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:30 am

Direct theism is different than christian theism, in that, the christians receive divine things through human channels.
Direct theism means we try to experience gods directly, without any literature or leaders.
Prayer shouldn't be about grovelling and begging.
Direct prayer is as good as it gets, and the gods a person encounters are all going to basically be finite.
That doesn't mean they are useless, but, normally self and friends sustain the soul moreso than any deity.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby phyllo » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:49 am

Direct prayer is as good as it gets, and the gods a person encounters are all going to basically be finite.
What does "direct prayer" involve?
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby gib » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:49 am

Dan~ wrote:Direct theism means we try to experience gods directly, without any literature or leaders.


That's quite easy in my religion. To me, God is the universe. I'm in direct contact with him every day. :D

Dan~ wrote:Prayer shouldn't be about grovelling and begging. Agreed.
Direct prayer is as good as it gets, and the gods a person encounters are all going to basically be finite. Thank God!... er, maybe not.
That doesn't mean they are useless, but, normally self and friends sustain the soul moreso than any deity.


That's actually quite touching. But how does prayer work? As a pantheist who sees the universe as God, I usually rely on the scientific descriptions of the world that I'm fed by the media--these tell me what God is "doing," how his body works--with this picture, I fail to see how the universe reacts to human prayer. How does it work?
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby James S Saint » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:15 am

"To pray" means "to seek of", related to "preying upon". When you reference a dictionary, in a very small way you are actually praying to the dictionary. If you are going to pray to the universe as your god, then you seek of the universe for your prey (study the sciences to gain revelation on how to get whatever you wanted).
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby gib » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:19 pm

James S Saint wrote:"To pray" means "to seek of", related to "preying upon".


Geez, makes one sound like a leach.

James S Saint wrote:When you reference a dictionary, in a very small way you are actually praying to the dictionary. If you are going to pray to the universe as your god, then you seek of the universe for your prey (study the sciences to gain revelation on how to get whatever you wanted).


I guess you could consider that a form of prayer, but is that what Dan meant?
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Dan~ » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:46 am

Enlightenment:

You -are- enlightenment, but you do not know what enlightenment is. Enlightenment is sleeping within things.
Awakening realizes an already existing enlightenment.
Enlightenment isn't an absolute, or a thing, or an ideology.
I'd call it meta-formic.
It is something so deep and clear that it predates thoughts and sensations.
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