Uccisore wrote:This conversation is pointless. The argument that 'something can't come from nothing' isn't a necessary part of Christian doctrine and isn't used in any good theistic arguments of any kind. It's an artificial introduction by atheist critics who didn't understand the cosmological argument, and was taken by by poorly-read Christians who's gut reaction is to argue with everything an atheist says.
Not everything has a cause- it's fine. Admitting not everything has a cause is no problem for Christianity.
It's not pointless.
Christians posit three things:
1) Something can't come from nothing
NO, they don't. Or, hell, maybe there are some Christians that do, but no formal Christian argument goes like that. You probably THINK you are paraphrasing Aquinas' Cosmological argument, but you are not. It goes like this:
1.) Something either has a cause or it doesn't.
2.) Things that have causes are caused by other things.
3.) There is at least one thing that has a cause.
4.) On 1 and 3, whatever causes something either has a cause itself, or does not.
5.) On 4 and 3, we either have an infinite series of causes, or we have a First Cause.
6.) An infinite series of causes is bullshit.
7.) On 5 and 6- there is a first cause.
That's it. Your 'something can't come from nothing' is neither stated nor implied.