To Convey

[Jayson]

Using this:


You can take this:


To here:








Using this:


You can take this:


To here:

[Jayson]

The level by which we are capable of manipulating what our experience is defined as to ourselves is grand in its scope of detailed potential articulation.
We can use our own selves to move ourselves rather than only using our minds to move our thoughts.

[The Paineful Truth]

The level by which we are capable of manipulating what our experience is defined as to ourselves is grand in its scope of detailed potential articulation.
We can use our own selves to move ourselves rather than only using our minds to move our thoughts.

So this was an exercise in moving yourself?

[Jayson]

Everything is an exercise in moving ourselves; this was a movement that noted that we have the ability to drive the movement rather than only the ability to change what we think about the movement.

[No-body]

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[Jayson]

Yes you can use yourself to get shitfaced.

But what was the point of bringing that up here?

[No-body]

Yes you can use yourself to get shitfaced.

But what was the point of bringing that up here?

Very little, unfortunately. I was simply inspired by the idea of picture posting and was getting a chuckle out of the google image responses I was getting. If you wanna remove it feel free, I know that it in no way adds to the topic. I just couldn't help myself. Posting with pictures is surprisingly enjoyable.

[Jayson]

It can relate though, as pathological agents are means which we use to take ourselves to various states of shitfaced, so are emotions the agents with which we can take ourselves to various states of experience.

[No-body]

[TheJoker]

Very nice collage you got going on there No-body. I think those are illustrative symbolic emotions or imprints that I can relate to as well.

[Jayson]

No-Body.
Exactly.
Now to convey my point, you can take all of what you posted and use them the same as you use your arm.
You can extend the emotional experience of any one of those uniquely upon request if you so wanted, and do so that you could directly move through your experience of life.

[Moreno]

No-Body.
Exactly.
Now to convey my point, you can take all of what you posted and use them the same as you use your arm.
You can extend the emotional experience of any one of those uniquely upon request if you so wanted, and do so that you could directly move through your experience of life.

I think some people do this, to some extent at least. I find I cannot simply use my emotions, though this is habitual in much of society, or 'choose' them, but rather it works for me to set them free and allow them their full place. Which runs counter to culture - which could almost be defined as methods of controlling emotions.

[The Paineful Truth]

[Jayson]

Moreno, but reflect on that.
Why can't we use our emotions?

[Amorphos]

The Paineful Truth

Is that like saying; ‘what’s the point’ a vast universe out there and people think so small minded etc?
Interesting point.

Jayson

So this is ‘holistic thinking’ ~ perhaps the most natural and usual way in which we think about the world globally or wholly? Are we then adding a dimension where we take a ’scene’ and use it like a part of our bodies? …but also to move them around like tarot cards forming different arrangements.

Kind of ‘art’ but 'living art' ~ where a piece is more an arrangement of events and also collective inspirations ~ as like a painting ‘contains‘ a whole load of elements within the one. Here we are keeping it uncontained and flowing.

[The Paineful Truth]

The Paineful Truth

Is that like saying; ‘what’s the point’ a vast universe out there and people think so small minded etc?
Interesting point.

No, s'part of the problem with holistic thinking.

No matter how seemingly pointless or unfair or outrageous our threescore and 10, this is all but a blink against the great equalizer of eternity. "What we do in life echoes (forever) in eternity", and maybe so do we, if we can stand ourselves.

[Jayson]

Quetz, no...well...sort of.
It is holistic listening from which selective and exact action can be directed.
Our emotions are behavioral appendiges. We don't have to react to what our fingers do instinctively to stimuli. We can select the articulation.
I am saying that this can be done with emotions. You can select the emotion to evoke for use rather than reacting to what emotions arrive to you.

Your means of interaction, however, are on the right line of thinking as the evocation, being human, requires something by which is the reference frame to provoke the desired emotion to be used.

Like a method actor, but not for pretend.

[TheJoker]

[anon]

Using this:


You can take this:


To here:

I assume you didn't intend this, but her emotions appear to be fake to the point of caricature. Something to be cautious of, perhaps.

[Moreno]

Moreno, but reflect on that.
Why can't we use our emotions?

I'm not saying we can't. I am saying that I prefer not to. The reason I prefer not to, I believe, is that they are me. So if I use them, rather than embody them,I am split. A part of me is using another part of me, instead of me being a single entity.

Of course one can say 'I used my arm to reach for the bottle'

But I vastly prefer the feeling of simply reaching for the bottle. Rather than splitting off my arm and making it a tool.

And I think, if one looks/feels carefully, one will notice that underneath the use and control of emotions is a kind of self hate and self distrust
however trussed up this is in other terms.

[Amorphos]

The Paineful Truth

No, s'part of the problem with holistic thinking.
No matter how seemingly pointless or unfair or outrageous our threescore and 10, this is all but a blink against the great equalizer of eternity. "What we do in life echoes (forever) in eternity", and maybe so do we, if we can stand ourselves.

That sounds the same as what I said/meant in a way ~ subjectivity eh!

Jayson

Quetz, no...well...sort of.
It is holistic listening from which selective and exact action can be directed.
Our emotions are behavioural appendages. We don't have to react to what our fingers do instinctively to stimuli. We can select the articulation.
I am saying that this can be done with emotions. You can select the emotion to evoke for use rather than reacting to what emotions arrive to you.
Your means of interaction, however, are on the right line of thinking as the evocation, being human, requires something by which is the reference frame to provoke the desired emotion to be used.
Like a method actor, but not for pretend.

Ah I see, yes. This is something I have found to be enhanced by detachment. Like with art, we get certain ‘ given emotions’ [those which arrive to us], but by combining elements of the mind we can put different elements into the image in our minds as on canvas, and arrive at an altogether different emotion ~ or even something other than emotion, concepts etc.


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[Jayson]

Moreno,

Emotions are a state, not objects of our self.
They are a state in which our nervous system is entered into within a moment of time.
Think on that youtube clip of Sherlock Holmes boxing that I cited in the other thread in response to you there.
Each move was not an object; it was what his bundle of nerves, muscle, and bone were articulating into in one moment of time after another.

It may sound unpredictable and crazy, but essentially, you would flip to outrage from serene and back if so wanting.

What I understand you to be saying, however, is that you enjoy simply letting yourself move as a leaf falling in the wind in regards to the emotions.
I won't contest, nor suggest that you shouldn't.

That is just not the interest of this concept.
It is, however, a huge part of what it takes to start.
Lots of listening and letting.
That way you can learn what your own emotional language is for directed use later.

Quetz,
Very much so, yes.
It does require a form of detachment; at least momentarily.
With what you mention on collage for evocation, introduce that into this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz4jO9zGioA
And remove the "voice of thought".

A sort of sensationalized composite flashback that is called upon so to produce forward action desired.

[Jayson]

Anon, missed your post in the haze of images.

I assume you didn't intend this, but her emotions appear to be fake to the point of caricature. Something to be cautious of, perhaps.

Yeah, I know, but it was the best image option for multiple displays of the idea of expressing emotion and also implying experiencing through that emotion expressed.

[Moreno]

Emotions are a state, not objects of our self.
They are a state in which our nervous system is entered into within a moment of time.

You could say that, but they are reactions to what is happening in us and around us and to control emotions, you must control the self.

Think on that youtube clip of Sherlock Holmes boxing that I cited in the other thread in response to you there.
Each move was not an object; it was what his bundle of nerves, muscle, and bone were articulating into in one moment of time after another.

Controlling the body can also be controlling the self, but that is another issue. Once you decide that this or that emotion is not right now, even through it is your natural reaction, then you have a split. One part of you judging another part of you - the emotional centers - as being wrong.

It may sound unpredictable and crazy, but essentially, you would flip to outrage from serene and back if so wanting.

I am sure people can do this, I just think they are treating themselves abusively.

What I understand you to be saying, however, is that you enjoy simply letting yourself move as a leaf falling in the wind in regards to the emotions.
I won't contest, nor suggest that you shouldn't.

Thank you. I can't say it is at all that gentle, but I have found that no longer suppressing, remolding, judging, stopping, stifling emotions has made me feel more like a unified being. It feels right.

[Jayson]

I think I've need at this point to explain more detail of the concept behind this articulation.
It's not so much a contest of which emotion is at play, or deeming one exactly wrong.
Take, for instance, that Sherlock Holmes volley of attacks again.
None of his moves were the right moves; they were the optimal moves that he settled upon.
They worked best for that moment for his interest at that time.

That sounds repressive, but there is a difference.
Before, I've stated, "listen like Akido, act like Boxing".
The idea is to sense emotion accurately, and if desired, redirect emotion X energy into emotion Z so that action A can be accomplished.
To do that, you have to change a base level of grounding; just as to simply throw a punch, Sherlock Holmes first must change his footing, and then move his shoulders so that the effective energy required is leveraged for the punch.

Similarly, the idea here is not to repress one emotion so that you can just pluck out another.
Instead, you are using one emotion as the fuel for another emotion.
It is a conversion of energy.

The exact means of this in great detail, I haven't yet outlined.
I only understand the concept and can feel how it works in myself when practicing with the vague terrain I'm dancing in.

So I don't want to give the impression that I'm suggesting that we pit ourselves against ourselves.
This concept really rests on first overcoming contest within the self first before continuing.
You have to do that first, or you cannot openly have your emotions communicating freely in exchange without contest.

If I were a fighter, I would say that you first have to understand your full range of motion and reach a point of knowing the full extent of the form so much that it flows naturally without contest from your person by basic reflex; similar to yourself.

After that point, when naturally all forms of interaction in the combat are available to your mind, then the fighter can begin to use one reflexive reaction to move into another selected action by simply redirecting their bodies energy of motion.
They can adjust on-the-fly; rather than reflexively react by form.

Similarly, I'm working on this idea within our existential standing.
Bruce Lee worked out how to fight by flexible reaction that is tailored to the individual and is molded from their base instinct as to how it is conducted in trained form.

I'm following the idea of taking that concept and applying it to our existential medium ontologically.

If you want to move with effective leverage with direct purpose existentially, then ontologically move your instinctual sensation of energy into another form of energy that produces the existential output desired.

I believe it will take some time to get this all worked out, and I don't expect it to go smoothly as I'm dabbling with emotional sensations.

But ultimately, the aim is not to achieve leverage over surface emotions such as anger or happiness, but instead over the spiritual emotions such as depression or gratitude towards existing.
Moving the base emotions of the deep subconscious in redirection so to move the energy up and ready for direct actions desired. Just like moving ones footing and shoulders to ready for the action of a punch.

I hope that makes some sense.
It is a bit difficult to articulate the concept well as the lexicon for this concept is...well...apparently completely absent.
There are certain concepts that completely lack words to describe them.