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The Astral-Plane:

Postby Dan~ » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:16 pm

This tends to be somewhere between mysticism and ontology, but lets do it.

I usedto believe that the astral plane was the vibrational-geometric living and non living structure of the Zero Point Field. Just recently I've considered changing my mind.

I've now wondered if it is a piece of neglegable physics. "Another reality" which is simply a layer of this reality which does not effect it much. And as the "other realm" is not powerful/controlling/effecting-us much, it is not seen as "real".

I though that perhaps physical substance has a layer which has no mass.

During a certain Near Death Experience which I had read of, as she was drowning in the river, unconscious, she saw the exact position of all of the people who had ran to the edge of the river. She knew who was there, as later confirmed when she finally spoke of it. She was standing my her husband, she could tell he was thinking about jumping in, but he didn't know how to swim. So, she tried to pull him away from the edge. She then saw her arms pass through his body, and said to herself: "I'm dead!?"...
Many complex things happened after this event, but she had been revived and rescued. For years she never spoke of it... And people thought she was insane when she did.

Even after first hand experience of the other-side, and full "proof", noone believed her. Well, eventually she did find some believers in her experience, but it wasn't easy on her.

This shows us how militant people tend to be about their own faith in preception.

But instances like these, and my own personal experience, have led me to believe that the astral plane is much like the material world, with less limitation.

When I experience the textures of the bodies of my astral friends, I can't help but feel their body-matter has some literal solidity to it. I'm still trying to figure it out. It's like I can control the behavior of my living astral materials. I can push against his body and feel the solid resistance, or I can relax my essence and have my arm pass clean-through-him...

Well, I suppose it's allot like a magnet... A magnet at one pole will resist the other, whilst a magnet on the other pole will be pulled into the other. If living astral materials can switch their solidity-polarity, it explains the optional shift between "solid" and "liquid" form.

I think astral materials are a biproduct of physical materials. When someone "dies", their astral body liquifies and comes out, then solidifies again. It can reform itself far faster then a matter-body can. The astral self is not as easy to kill, and thus survives after the matter-death.

The material-physical bodies of earth-beings can only sense astral beings once their own astral-body has taken over their physical senses, to some degree. And the stronger that their astral body has taken authority, the stronger that their physical will feel the astral.

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If any of you have been born with the ability to "see ghosts", and "feel ghosts", etc... then me and my undead friends would feel confort in being able to touch you and be recignized again by the other side. Please send PM or something.
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Postby October » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:49 pm

Have you ever heard of an Indian mysticism tradition called "Sant Mat"? I find it interesting...not too sure about it yet, but interesting nonetheless.

It talks about the higher realms of reality...through meditation and the guidance of the master, one can have access to higher and higher realms. It also talks about collectivism and karma.
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Postby Dan~ » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:12 am

I found allot of things out by myself, without a Guru.

Allot of what I mannaged to learn how to do, I cannot explain or teach to anyone else, because it's beyond conscious word.
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Postby Club29 » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:32 am

Dan~ wrote:I found allot of things out by myself, without a Guru.

Allot of what I mannaged to learn how to do, I cannot explain or teach to anyone else, because it's beyond conscious word.


I find that very amusing, and I found that all by my little oh self. At least you admit it's all in your head, or at least allot of it is. But then you will at least admit however that Christianity is reasonable then right?
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Re: The Astral-Plane:

Postby Jakob » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:49 am

Dan~ wrote: The astral self is not as easy to kill, and thus survives after the matter-death.


An astral entity ceases to exist is when it is solidified into the soul substance. Astrality is, I figure, the difference in the equation of body and soul. Astral travel is a luxury of being a 4 dimentional function of a 10 dimentional formula. The room for transfiguration is almost infinite - more infinite anway than we can conceive.
I use astral travel for katharsis - I always go to the beach for a starting point. The sand under my feet, the wind on my lips. It helps to seduce the senses if I want to summon a fever. I always end up in the archetypical domain, and kick over a few statues. That gives me lust for life I sometimes feel drained of in the world of brands, logo's and projected images.
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Postby Uccisore » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:58 am

It just isn't right to talk about the Astral plane without talking about Blavatsky and Theosophy. I don't know nothing, and I know that.
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Postby Dan~ » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:07 am

Club29 wrote:
Dan~ wrote:I found allot of things out by myself, without a Guru.

Allot of what I mannaged to learn how to do, I cannot explain or teach to anyone else, because it's beyond conscious word.


I find that very amusing, and I found that all by my little oh self. At least you admit it's all in your head, or at least allot of it is. But then you will at least admit however that Christianity is reasonable then right?

From what I've seen in my astral travels, Jesus, angels, demons, Satan and The Father are all "real" entities.

But I don't think that your God is as powerful as you think 'He' is. And I think that he has no real name or form, so it's not easy for a form&name-reliant consciousness to EVER access "him".

I also don't think some bible morality is right.

These are our differences.^

Uccisore wrote:It just isn't right to talk about the Astral plane without talking about Blavatsky and Theosophy. I don't know nothing, and I know that.

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Re: The Astral-Plane:

Postby Dan~ » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:15 am

Jakob wrote:
Dan~ wrote: The astral self is not as easy to kill, and thus survives after the matter-death.

An astral entity ceases to exist is when it is solidified into the soul substance.

And a soul ceases to exist when it is solidified into a matter substance?, but switching your formats of density is NOT easy.

The Dans cannot create matter with mere thought. They'd like to, but they can't yet.
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Postby JennyHeart » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:34 am

The Astral Plane is merely a fantasy, corresponding to places in the brain that are projected onto paper and shared enthusiastically among those with similar places.
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Postby Dan~ » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:39 am

JennyHeart wrote:The Astral Plane is merely a fantasy, corresponding to places in the brain that are projected onto paper and shared enthusiastically among those with similar places.

Prove it.
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Postby Satori » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:19 am

I must say I love topics such as this because it creates so many new door ways in regards to our minds, the world around us, and the potential wherein.
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Postby Phaedrus » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:43 am

Hmmm...we are talking about Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, aren't we?
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Postby Dan~ » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:54 am

We're talking about a place in which only a rare few get to consciously know or experience. And as the foundationalism of reality is banality, most persons believe that all rarities are myths.
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Postby Phaedrus » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:57 am

Oh, we're talking about mushrooms. :wink:
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Postby Satori » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:02 am

hehe ironically many mystics etc. have used drugs like mushrooms and other hallucinogenics for easier access to this realm mentally.
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Postby Phaedrus » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:05 am

Dude, that's totally why I did shrooms when I was young. :wink: :lol:
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Postby Dan~ » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:05 am

Satori wrote:hehe ironically many mystics etc. have used drugs like mushrooms and other hallucinogenics for easier access to this realm mentally.

In the same way as an anti-depressant can simply deepen a pleasure or peace which you already have, small doses of certain substances increase a certain form of brain function or overstimulate a brain process for a while, but this would only deepen or widen a psychic experience which the person must already be capable of.

Long story short:

Shrooms don't give you access to the astral plane, they just make it more vivid if you already have developed access.
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Postby Satori » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:09 am

That is fine by me. I was just throwing a non-specific statment out there with a certain correlation between drugs and opening of ones mind.
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Postby Dan~ » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:18 am

Satori wrote:That is fine by me. I was just throwing a non-specific statment out there with a certain correlation between drugs and opening of one's mind.

Genetic engineering or cybernetic attachments, if advanced enough, could open and extend the mind over 1000 times its current limit, and that limit is only pushed slightly by overstimulants.
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Postby Club29 » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:01 am

Dan,

So the idea of God isn't all that unreasonable to you now is it? I don't know how you can talk about astral projection and say a God existing is nonsense and a fairy tale.

I'm not trying to pick at you, but as much criticism as you give against Theology, you stand on a very surprising, and very ironic belief here.
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Postby Dan~ » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:13 am

Club29 wrote:Dan,

So the idea of God isn't all that unreasonable to you now is it? I don't know how you can talk about astral projection and say a God existing is nonsense and a fairy tale.

I'm not trying to pick at you, but as much criticism as you give against Theology, you stand on a very surprising, and very ironic belief here.

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/vi ... p?t=152925
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The "gods" I saw were finite.

The "higher powers" I felt didn't feel like they were people who had bible morality.


Just admit it:

Bible and Quran and many others HUMAN writings dictate their ideas about "God" instead of just saying: "That's what I think, but I'm not absolutely correct. It's my best guess."

Insteat they write arrogantly, with vast ego, as: "God's mouth piece", instead of as: "One man's estimate".

Can you see why I can't stand the Semetic holybooks?

((btw, my other experience))
Angels make me scared...
They are allot like humans, but more strict with their ideas, and they have different physical sorts of powers.
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Re: The Astral-Plane:

Postby Jakob » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:25 am

Dan~ wrote:
Jakob wrote:
Dan~ wrote: The astral self is not as easy to kill, and thus survives after the matter-death.

An astral entity ceases to exist is when it is solidified into the soul substance.

And a soul ceases to exist when it is solidified into a matter substance?,

not to my understanding. But an astral figure probably does. Anyway, matter isn't solid - it's becoming. The soul is some sort of 'being' if I understand it right.
but switching your formats of density is NOT easy.

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The Dans cannot create matter with mere thought. They'd like to, but they can't yet.


Thought and matter are of the same substance, and interrelate. One does not create the other, but they influence each others structure. To aquire power over this formative process is possible.
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Accordng to her, the astal plane is for beginners and barbarians. I have no idea how to assess this woman. She's crazy and kind of demonic but that is not necessaily a bad thing.
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Re: The Astral-Plane:

Postby Dan~ » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:53 am

Jakob wrote:
Dan~ wrote:The Dans cannot create matter with mere thought. They'd like to, but they can't yet.

Thought and matter are of the same substance, and interrelate. One does not create the other, but they influence each others structure. To aquire power over this formative process is possible.

Got any gromoires about it?


I've read with great interest Dion Fortune's The Mystical Kabbalah and Gareth Knight's A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism. Also looked into the first five chapters of Alice Baileys' Treatise on White Magic. It helped me to experience what power you can awaken by mere thinking and breathing.

*Thumbs up*


Accordng to her, the astal plane is for beginners and barbarians. I have no idea how to assess this woman. She's crazy and kind of demonic but that is not necessaily a bad thing.

Ah, yes. I am a beginner, and I can only get into the astral plane a little bit but I don't understand it and it makes me tuckered out soon. I can't tell sometimes what's real and what's my imagination.

I can see why and how she is advanced, also, as she probably is good at doing ancient rituals and things like that.

........................ 8) :lol:
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Re: The Astral-Plane:

Postby Jakob » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:08 am

Dan~ wrote:
Jakob wrote:
Dan~ wrote:The Dans cannot create matter with mere thought. They'd like to, but they can't yet.

Thought and matter are of the same substance, and interrelate. One does not create the other, but they influence each others structure. To aquire power over this formative process is possible.

Got any gromoires about it?


I've read with great interest Dion Fortune's The Mystical Kabbalah and Gareth Knight's A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism. Also looked into the first five chapters of Alice Baileys' Treatise on White Magic. It helped me to experience what power you can awaken by mere thinking and breathing.

*Thumbs up*


Accordng to her, the astal plane is for beginners and barbarians. I have no idea how to assess this woman. She's crazy and kind of demonic but that is not necessaily a bad thing.

Ah, yes. I am a beginner, and I can only get into the astral plane a little bit but I don't understand it and it makes me tuckered out soon. I can't tell sometimes what's real and what's my imagination.

I can see why and how she is advanced, also, as she probably is good at doing ancient rituals and things like that.

........................ 8) :lol:



Douchebag....:wink: I was just beginning to enjoy this conversation.
The astral plane is just lucid dreaming you can spice up with different techniques, but of course it's all complete nonsense in terms of common sense. I just never really got these terms. I still think believing in common sense is like believing in Santaclause.
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Postby Justly » Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:15 pm

The Astral Plane is merely a fantasy,

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it is a fantasy to those who do not know the technique and do not know that every one of us has this ability.
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