Is God a meany?

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Is God a Meany?

Postby Bystander » Thu Jan 09, 2003 8:32 pm

How does one prove that God isnt immoral?
What if God is in a bad mood and raises his voice a bit?
What if our pain is his entertainment?

How can we even make sense of his logically unfathomable nature?
Do we really need a supreme being to give us meaning and purpose?

I think that many Christians have these notions of love and positivity ingrained into their minds so deeply that they are unable to look around and see that our world is crumbling. Pain, despair, poverty and indifference are in the majority rule when you look at the world as a whole.

However, I dont deny that there is tremendous good in our world. Humans have the capability of sharing love and compasion and reaching out to those in need. We know that we are capable of good or bad and we make our choices. Every person may possess a good heart but it can easily be tainted by the evils of man (or maybe this is what God had allowed).

Humans have a tendency to look to a supreme being to give us guidance and love but what we are forgetting is that we are the ones who have the power, the discretion, the authority to love each other. We set the moral grounds, we decide our destination, we choose to love or hate. We are the supreme beings and thus we give ourselves meaning and purpose. This should give us a sence of empowerment not pointlesness.

We can choose to wait until God enters the realm of human ken but we may have to wait forever. Why dont we just take responsibility for ouselves and our existence and face the world with courage instead of hiding behind a sheild of dogmatic beliefs. The weak need to be shielded by God for they are programmed to believe that the world is a cold and sterile place in the absence of their deity. We simply do not need this mentality.

Lets use what we know we definitely have, not what we think we have by way of faith. After all how can we logically know? and what would this require? The question will still remain. Is God a Meany?
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Postby Pax Vitae » Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:59 pm

Hi Skeptic,

This is why I find such a peace in my new Atheistic outlook.


I don’t have enough evidence to believe or not to believe that God exists. I’m still left in the middle, unsure of what is really true. As the amount of Order in the Universe has me puzzled. There are laws to the way all things interact with each other. It is the only think that is still keeping my mind open to the idea of God, or at least the concept of a “Universe Creator.” I’ve heard people argue that you make just as much a lead of faith in saying God doesn’t exist, as saying that he does. I’m inclined to agree with this. But I will admit, that on the whole the odds are stacked in favour of God not existing. But I’m going to take the middle ground and work on my arguments for and against God’s existence.

Our only redemption is in facing those sins and wrong-doings. But there is more to it than just facing and asking for forgiveness from those whom we have ill-affected. We must set things right. We must make up for our mistakes. Only in this, lies redemption. Could there possibly be any more joy than in fixing our mistakes and making things right? This is where we will find peace, joy, love, and happiness. This is my heaven on earth. I only wish that I could say that I had the will power to do these things. But until then, I will continue to strive for goodness.


I agree with you whole-heartedly on this.

What do you mean by "I'm resigned to the fact . . ."


I mean, I don’t want to go back to nothingness, but have accepted that it is the most lightly outcome at the end of my life. I would love to believe again in an afterlife but I can’t. Logic and reason have robbed me of this hope. To quote Polemarchus, but from a different perspective, “The fact that I’ve cheated non-existence once, there’s hope I might do so again.” Hehe, I think were like the men looking at a glass that is half filled with water and one saying, it’s half empty, and the other is saying it’s half full.

I’m no longer in contact with the people in the seminary, as it has been about a year and a half since I left. We didn’t have much in common except the belief that the life of a Priest was our vocation. They were also very set in their ways of thinking; it was like they couldn’t think for themselves. I know this isn’t a nice thing to say, but they would never examine anything they where told or what they believed. It was like they would take whatever answer the Authority gave them at face value. I can’t live like that, I must know why it is a certain way, and if I feel they are wrong I will tell them so. That was the main reason I left, I was exploring philosophy which was opening up my mind to other possibilities. It was also at the beginning of all the child abuse scandals in Ireland. I heard stories from the inside talking about how everybody knew it was going on, but would not say anything! This really pissed me off! They had disowned there flock to protect there own, they were no better then scum. And there was no way I would ever be apart of an organization like that. I hope the Vatican is destroyed, as they are an abomination of desolation. I spent a lot of time reading the history of the Catholic Church, most of the good deeds that it did where done by the people on its fringe, the ordinary layperson, not the Cardinals or Popes. Most of the aforementioned bought there way into office and they set about plundering the wealth of the weak, even the local parish priest used things called indulgencies to get people to buy there way into heaven. This was the main trigger for the Reformation and Counter Reformation of the Church. If you look at a brief overview of the Catholic Church history it would read something like this: Persecution of the Jews, Inquisition, Crusades, Papal Infallibility, Child Sex Scandals. And this is the body of Christ! Sure, pull the other one! Anyway...

I have three sisters and my mother, all of them were very supportive of me both going in and leaving. Only one of my sisters is very religious, and her husband would have to be considered a fundamentalist, but in Ireland they’re a little different from the ones you’ll find in USA. But he does have all the conspiracy theories, which are fun to talk to him about, until you realize that he really believes this madness. He would be the only person that I would have difficulty’s talking to after I had left, but I try not to talk about it too much, as it will always lead to heated discussions.

As for my friends they have always been saying “Pax, you’ll never become a Priest!” and they where right. Most of my close friends are not in any way religious, so me going off to become a Priest was seen as utter lunacy. I gave up a good computer-programming job in Florida to move back home to Dublin. All in all I’m happy with the choices I’ve made as it’s made my life a lot more interesting, if a little disjointed.

While there are a lot of good things about Christianity, most of the people who practice it are terrible Christians. But I put up with a lot of what I would call nonsense, only because I know what they’re after is worth their delusions.

Pax Vitae.
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