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On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:20 pm

I think, to be short, that Jesus, or rather the Christ, is Dionysos.
The symptoms fit too well - the way the Christian baptism with fire results in a savage joy that leaves a trail of tears like ac mets gaseous clouds.

Im not speaking of my own experience as much as of what I recognize in all Christian conversions that Ive witnessed.
Further, the Christ gives no law. Only love is the law, and the assumption that wisdom is given by that love.

Love = the moment
this is what all great gods make accessible for us.
But Jesus is a great god indeed. He is a shameless Dionysos, that is what is hateful about the whole affair and hateful it is - but whats a little hatefulness compared to the cosmic powers of Dionysos? Well, much - it is why I am not a Christian. The aesthetics of the religion are too barbaric. There is not enough Apollo in it.

Apollo endures no frivolity, no fake flesh or blood, no incense to dull the senses, no small rooms and humble garments to emphasize ones humility, no deprivation nor any carnal privilege, only the presence of hardness and sun and truth, and to break the spell of heaviness, there is the lightness afforded by pure genius. If you see a cat look for this in the eyes.

Jesus must yet become cat-like.
Wash his own wounds

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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby lordoflight » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:11 pm

Jesus is a fiction. Never existed. He was invented by Romans, and possibly Jews, to castrate the minds of the population.

Jesus is not love, in the traditional sense. He advocates for celibacy. If you follow Jesus to the letter you will become either a psychopath or a pedophile. Most people do not follow Jesus to the letter, as he opposes all natural instinct and drives. He advocates for pacifism and he was possibly the first real Marxist icon of society.

Still, I have no problem with Christians, as far as they don't tell me what to do. I think Christianity can be good, such as charities or promoting forgiveness and personal growth. Its the inhuman, unnatural aspects of Christianity that I have a problem with.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby iambiguous » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:36 pm

There are of course literally hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of narratives out there [in places like this] attempting to capture either the essential or the existential Jesus.

That's why over and again I suggest that what is most crucial here is not what you believe is true, but what you are able to demonstrate that all reasonable men and women are obligated to believe is true is turn.

Not the least because what is said to be at stake here is the fate of your very soul. And for all of eternity!

So, anyone here able to provide us with any convincing evidence regarding either the essential or the existential Christ?

And, if so, please bring it over to this thread as well: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=186929

I created it precisely in order to connect the dots between the behaviors you choose on this side of the grave and that which you imagine the fate of your soul to be on the other side. The nuts and the bolts of God and religion.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:23 pm

lordoflight wrote:Jesus is a fiction. Never existed. He was invented by Romans, and possibly Jews, to castrate the minds of the population.

Jesus is not love, in the traditional sense. He advocates for celibacy. If you follow Jesus to the letter you will become either a psychopath or a pedophile. Most people do not follow Jesus to the letter, as he opposes all natural instinct and drives. He advocates for pacifism and he was possibly the first real Marxist icon of society.

Still, I have no problem with Christians, as far as they don't tell me what to do. I think Christianity can be good, such as charities or promoting forgiveness and personal growth. Its the inhuman, unnatural aspects of Christianity that I have a problem with.

This doesn't really address the OP. Strictly speaking your identity is a fiction too. You're just some molecules, and now a slightly different bunch, and now different... even still.

I spoke of the Divine Identity, not the Physical Identity. Nor am I claiming Dionysos walked the earth as a man.

I have to disagree that Jesus is a Marxist avant la lettre. Marx was a materialist, saw the struggle in terms of capital. Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is his.

His lack of interest in fixed physical values fits Dionysos, the transcendent aspect of humanity, the pure will.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:16 pm

I guess I've tended to think of D as going through a more shamanic death and rebirth - the torn to pieces is often the initiating dream for shamans - whereas J feels more stoic, ascetic. Then D as more of an ecstatic figure, with Jesus, generally being more refined, heading more in the Apollonian direction. Though there are so many takes on Dionysis I don't want to say this is right, but I've found it more useful.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby lordoflight » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:29 pm

Whatever he was, I think Jesus was a gay. Definitely had no interest in women. Told his disciples not to lust. Liked washing feet of men.

He was a fictional character invented to make people gay. Then they made up a new character called Saul, to shame the gay. This caused some kind of mental psychosis...being taught to be gay but then being told that being gay is an abomination. Causing some kind of schizoid or schism in the global population's minds. Nowadays, we see this predicted in modern Christians behavoir: Waging wars in name of oil or religion, but preaching that violence is bad, despite being obsessed with tanks, fighter jets and football. Closet homosexual politicians banning gay marriage. Believing God is love, yet at the same time believing he will send you to hell for not worshipping him. Christianity created a kind of global insanity that mere hedonistic nihilism could not even compare. With hedonism, you get A=A, whatever feels good is good. With Christianity, you get some kind of paradoxial equation in the mind. Spreading chaos and the end result is Marxist modernism and social chaos, virtue signaling and the whole modern cesspool of feminism's hydras were all stuck having to wade through.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby perpetualburn » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:20 pm

"Jesus must yet become cat-like.
Wash his own wounds"

This is a nice image but I think Dionysos subsumes Christ rather than Christ becoming more like Dionysos. The opposition will always be there.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ykxGC ... 49&f=false Pg. 149 The section on hospitality and Nietzsche's assertion that "the most serious Christians have always been well disposed toward me.”
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:57 pm

perpetualburn wrote:"Jesus must yet become cat-like.
Wash his own wounds"

This is a nice image but I think Dionysos subsumes Christ rather than Christ becoming more like Dionysos. The opposition will always be there.

Thats more substantive identification of the relation anyway.
Let my image be a mere image. Since involves a cat, it doesn't need to be more.

Im still averse to the fractured taste of Christianity but Ive grown respectful of it in recent years as it mobilized against postmodernism and relativism. The very decay Nietzsche first identified as a form of Christianity decayed to such a point that in 2016 it became the nemesis even to that origin, testing and refreshing the will to power of the origin. And in this re-awakening of fundamental Christianity as a response to deconstructionism can be seen as a spiralling double dragon, a helix of self-attainment, which is closer to an image of Dionysos than any single man or animal could be.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ykxGCgAAQBAJ&q=149#v=snippet&q=149&f=false Pg. 149 The section on hospitality and Nietzsche's assertion that "the most serious Christians have always been well disposed toward me.”

Good reference. Ill look into this some more.
Ive come to similar thoughts about what it is that Nietzsche did inherit and cultivate out of Christianity. His being the AntiChrist eminently places him at the pinnacle of Christian development. And it is true that Nietzsche, not Jesus, did ultimately take upon him the suffering of the world.
Jesus asked that the cup pass him by, Nietzsche asked that it return to him eternally.

What I see of Dionysos in Christ is the madness, willing the madness for the sake of shattering tables of law. I recognize the Dionysian in the bloodthirsty of the baptism. I could see how the perpetuated madness and consumption of flesh and blood-facsimile could have perpetuated the cult of Dionysos underground, inside the peoples daemonism, underneath their conscious logoi.

Consider the habit of drug induced musicians of wearing the cross on their chest, be they hippies or goths or or rappers or pop stars, the cross appears to extend some licence to experience a violent self-love.
There is nothing more decadent and unappealing than the conversion of Constantine and all the cultural forms that led up to it and glorified it later on, churches are invariably foul places, though greatly differing in degree. Yes if at one point in time man would decide to torch all his cathedrals, what would be left standing, charred, roofless, plant-friendly carcasses hospitable to sun, wind and rain, then we could see the effort of Christians in a Dionysian light - because the architectural forms of Christian Europe reveal more than piety and prudence, they mostly reveal a prideful will, a proof of strength by excess of strength; a will to overcome the merely human life in service of what are by all measure a bizarre and demonic tributes to god.
I say we shall see the truth when the cat licks the wounds, when the flame licks the wood, when the prayer-benches burn and the gold melts, dripping to the ground.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:12 pm

lordoflight wrote:Whatever he was, I think Jesus was a gay. Definitely had no interest in women. Told his disciples not to lust. Liked washing feet of men.

I don't agree. First of all he did things that require a good level of testosterone, and moreover most of the sources that speak of him in any interesting ways include Mary Magdalene as his lover. I would rather see him as a kind of sneaky pimp, like the Baghwan.

He was a fictional character invented to make people gay. Then they made up a new character called Saul, to shame the gay. This caused some kind of mental psychosis...

Warmer.

Nietzsche wrote:2. History of Christianity

168 (Nov. 1887-March 1888)

--The church is precisely that against which Jesus preached--and against
which he taught his disciples to fight--

169 (Nov. 1887-March 1888)

A god who died for our sins: redemption through faith; resurrection
after death--all these are counterfeits of true Christianity for which



that disastrous wrong-headed fellow [Paul] must be held responsible.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:24 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:I guess I've tended to think of D as going through a more shamanic death and rebirth - the torn to pieces is often the initiating dream for shamans - whereas J feels more stoic, ascetic. Then D as more of an ecstatic figure, with Jesus, generally being more refined, heading more in the Apollonian direction. Though there are so many takes on Dionysis I don't want to say this is right, but I've found it more useful.

Maybe Jesus is merely the memory of Dionysos.

There are few people wo agree with me on this, I still take Nietzsche as he revealed himself in the Birth of Tragedy, and that means I see Apollo as the cornerstone of the Dionysian.

Nietzsche makes the distinction between the Asiatic Dionysos in whom sex and death became one and the beautiful, musical and human Greek Dionysos who is the bringer of sublime life. In between stands the mastery of narrative, the Greek way of dealing with the fact of the deep suffering of their sensitive natures, which was the creation of he Olympians above them. Suddenly the world was no longer condemned because of their suffering; now the gods justified all of it and thus relieved the existential stress of these early westerners and allowed them to remodel their own world in the humble image given to them by the idea of the gods looking down on them indifferently, inside of the very heart of nature, which is withdrawn from society but can be touched in some cases by a hero. Human nature is transformed through the greeks from a machine to a place. In this arena the new Dionysos was enabled. He, the subtle one provoking the desire to transmute the hearts heaviness into poetic tragedy, is the center of history because he stands on his own proper footing, the temple of Apollo at Delphi in the Februari rain, the heart warming knowledge of power, which was first given to the Greeks. Given, or taken - Prometheus was punished in any case. I suggested to a friend the theological notion that Apollo was sent down to regulate these newborn godlings as Prometheus was being chained to the Rock to have his liver (tied to rage, thumos, Jupiter) picked out until the centaur Chiron, the eternally wounded teacher of human heroes, decided to die for him. All this is the story of Zeus reluctantly allowing humans to be taught by all kinds of crazy gods and titans and other immortal folk. Jesus is just one of these folks. Dionysos is only ever present where the task is complete - like a drink after a days work. He is the meaning of life, whats life is for, what it moves towards. He can't be sought or found in oneself, only in the sacrifice of the present for the future; he is the conception of the future inside the present. The heart of life untouched by death. Apollo is rather the solemn fact of mortality, the reason for stone-masonry.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby felix dakat » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:59 pm

In the first place, Christianity rejected pagan deities as idols. However, Christ came to be viewed as the fulfillment of the positive aspects of pagan mythology.

The belief in a savior deity whose death and rebirth brought immortality to man, the themes of illumination and regeneration, ritual initiation into a community of worshippers, sacred banquets etc were all practiced in the early church. Religious practices were considered as shadows of reality--the logos which was Christ. For example, Colossians 2: 16 - 17 says " Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Likewise, the classical gods were assimilated as figures of Christ. Apollo as the Sun god was seen as the pagan precursor to Christ the Light of the World. Prometheus the suffering liberator of mankind was subsumed by the figure of Christ the suffering savior who set the captives free. Dionysus the deity of death and rebirth was considered a prefigure of Christ who realized in history the positive aspects of what Dionysus represented in mythology.

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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:14 pm

felix dakat wrote:Dionysus the deity of death and rebirth was considered a prefigure of Christ who realized in history the positive aspects of what Dionysus represented in mythology.

Yes, this fits to how proper worshippers of Christ would truthfully see Dionysos, even when this perspective is beheld in the perspective of a Dionysian.

It would be very meaningless if a Christian figured that his living Lord and Saviour was merely an aspect of some particular city states mystery god.
From my own perspective this still gives Dionysos as the historical father of Christ, where Zeus is the literal father, Zeus the bearded patriarch of the heavens.

I no longer question Christ's prerogative in this world. He is a son of Zeus, a bastard from a Jewess... very explosive kid.
I see myth as a form of reasoning. It doesn't point to truths or facts but it allows for profound insights to occur within the interplay of the mythical figures in their synthetic narratives. It is so literally the chemistry of the mind that it might be seen as the most accurate identifier for the actual chemistry of the brain.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:24 pm

Someone said it very nicely recently; we must have evolved from reptiles, because if we had evolved from rodents wed always be having rodents at the core of our myths and not snakes and dragons.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:26 pm

The future cat or kitty-christ however may be great enough a myth to render the snake a happy servant.
It reminds me of Nietzsches distaste for the tiger, he found it unpleasantly tense.

Of course there must be a myth about the virgin birth of a kitten. A great cosmic Lion had descended on the harmless mother. In a way Katzenberg beat me to that. Still that proves its not unviable.

I bet the Christ could use a new vessel even just to take stock of two thousand years of work. An upgrade, fit to todays markets of passion, if you'll excuse the vulgarity, Felix. Still carrying the seed of Revelation, no longer demanding destitute servility.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby felix dakat » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:36 am

Sure. Gotcha bro. No problem.

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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:06 am

Of course - Orthodox Christianity is as hard headed as orthodox Islam. This is why it is worth anything at all.
It is generally advised for an orthodox religious person to assume I have nothing to offer and avoid engaging me. Orthodoxy assumes everything is already given; I am the antithesis of that assumption.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:33 am

Fixed Cross wrote:Someone said it very nicely recently; we must have evolved from reptiles, because if we had evolved from rodents wed always be having rodents at the core of our myths and not snakes and dragons.

To a rat, the snake might seem rather deity-like and certainly a better metaphor for the unknown powers that be. But we evolved from both proto-rodents and proto-reptiles.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby felix dakat » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:03 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Of course - Orthodox Christianity is as hard headed as orthodox Islam. This is why it is worth anything at all.
It is generally advised for an orthodox religious person to assume I have nothing to offer and avoid engaging me. Orthodoxy assumes everything is already given; I am the antithesis of that assumption.

Yes well I'm curious about your sources and methodology. Orthodox Christians have their sacred sources, which are primarily their biblical canon, their creeds and, for some, the ecclesiastical hierarchy. They think they own Jesus's identity. But I suppose as a meme he belongs to the world. So everybody's free to take their shot. Orthodoxy relegated the erotic and aggressive aspects of the Dionysian spirit to Satan. There's a kind of internal battle between monotheism and dualism inherent in Christianity I think.

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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:21 pm

My methodology is pretty direct, I just call on Jesus, I visit the holiest Christian places such as the church of the sepulchre in Jerusalem and many churches in Italy and France, I study the texts both canonical and disputed such as the dead Sea scrolls, and anything I can do to bring the spirit of the Christ in my presence. I've been doing such for two decades. I've had a lot of very vivid and personal experiences with Jesus as well as Mary as well as the Baptist. It is perfectly real to me, and pastors have recognized this in my demeanor, words and eyes over the years. I don't believe the intellect has much of a place here, only the open heart.

But still I don't claim Christianity. I claim the Aesir and the Olympians as my personal gods. But I consider the Christ and his flock my allies. Christians tend to have more of a backbone these days than secularists.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

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Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Someone said it very nicely recently; we must have evolved from reptiles, because if we had evolved from rodents wed always be having rodents at the core of our myths and not snakes and dragons.

To a rat, the snake might seem rather deity-like and certainly a better metaphor for the unknown powers that be. But we evolved from both proto-rodents and proto-reptiles.

A question occurs here: do rodents have a "reptile brain"?
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

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Addendum to Felix
I said I see myth as a form of reasoning, and later that I dont see Christianity as a matter of the intellect but of the open heart.
I need to clarify that I consider the heart to be more Reasonable - have better, more profound reasons - than the intellect.
Pure intellect is dry like paper cuts. Myths allow for a more wholesome and vivid substance of mind.
The intellect thrives amidst the myth. Freud and Jung are examples of this fecund relationship.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:39 pm

One thing I am convinced of concerning gods is that they are by definition greater, "larger" than what any mortal can be completely right about. This is why there are 4 gospels for Jesus. Doing justice to a god requires a congregation. I believe this is what sets apart a god from a demon. Satan does not require a congregation, that is why is is fallen, he walks among us as one of us, and so he walks inside of men, as a friend, a companion, an equal or someone uncannily pretending to be. Jesus does not present himself as an equal, he always is more generous than what a mortal can be. The problem I have always had with the move of converting to his will is that his will isn't capable of dealing with everything a philosopher is concerned with. He is just there, like a sky of fresh air - but my spirit is also bound to the salt of the sea and the musk of the earth. The fact of the matter is that Christ did not reveal himself there, but Odin did. I believe that Revelation is the way a god makes himself known. This is why I am averse to dogma as a form of belief. I am not against dogma as a way of preserving the words of prophets and the records of divine events, but I believe that these form the riverbed to the body of communion.

I wish to lend my mind to facilitate the Christian faith in claiming the third millennium. I was of course deeply facetious with the whole cat thing, yet not without wishing to evoke an intuition about the change of the relationship of humans to animals which is going on, a very favourable trend of humanizing animals, which I suppose is the upside to the trend of animalizing humans. I am contemptuous in the extreme of the idea that animals to not cognize, there is much of consequence to be learned from the mentality of all warm blooded species. I used to dislike dogs when I was a child, now I am deeply fond of them. Dogs often bark as I pass buy - in my occult past barks of anguish and warning, now of uncontrollable excitement. It is very funny, the people who own the dogs are never aware of the dogs reasons and get all fussy. Dogs are in a field of consciousness that humans are too dull headed for, a field where the enjoyment of life is very strong and never collapses, a more acute sense of the present enabled by a richer apperceptive machinery.

So as we humans have let our apperceptive machinery decay in favour of the planning mind, which doesn't really require any all too immediate knowledge, because the immediate is too contextual to universalize into methods. But the pleasure of life and thus also the meaning and the drive, the core of it is well represented by our pagan pantheons, which are accessibel in walks in the woods, rowing a boat at dusk, sleeping in nice sheets, lighting a candle in a midnight garden, exchanging a glance with a dove, seeing the sky curl up and knowing what comes, hearing the message in a rodents cry, maple seeds gathering on the balcony, an unsuspected eclipse alone in a field, suddenly the silence of all of nature holding its breath; of all this Christianity did not speak, but this is what the Earth needs of us now, and I do not sense that the Christ is partial only to man - the son of man surely is a steward of the earth.

A second coming was announced near the days of judgment. I say that it will likely benefit these humans that have turned to the earth - not for salvation, but for an excess of love. The earth is ready to receive the passion that has been built for the vulnerable during two thousand years. She is the proper recipient for the love that Christians have gathered across a hundred generations and across five continents.

The cat serves me as a symbol of a cleanliness before the Earth.
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby felix dakat » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:10 am

Fixed Cross wrote:My methodology is pretty direct, I just call on Jesus, I visit the holiest Christian places such as the church of the sepulchre in Jerusalem and many churches in Italy and France, I study the texts both canonical and disputed such as the dead Sea scrolls, and anything I can do to bring the spirit of the Christ in my presence. I've been doing such for two decades. I've had a lot of very vivid and personal experiences with Jesus as well as Mary as well as the Baptist. It is perfectly real to me, and pastors have recognized this in my demeanor, words and eyes over the years. I don't believe the intellect has much of a place here, only the open heart.

But still I don't claim Christianity. I claim the Aesir and the Olympians as my personal gods. But I consider the Christ and his flock my allies. Christians tend to have more of a backbone these days than secularists.


What inspired you to go in this direction? Are the experiences of Jesus, Mary and the Baptist visual? Why Aesir and the Olympians?
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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby felix dakat » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:20 am

Fixed Cross wrote:Addendum to Felix
I said I see myth as a form of reasoning, and later that I dont see Christianity as a matter of the intellect but of the open heart.
I need to clarify that I consider the heart to be more Reasonable - have better, more profound reasons - than the intellect.
Pure intellect is dry like paper cuts. Myths allow for a more wholesome and vivid substance of mind.
The intellect thrives amidst the myth. Freud and Jung are examples of this fecund relationship.


I think I get that. Christian theologians are said to have re-discovered narrative theology in the late 20th century. Most of what we are is unconscious. Mythic imagery seems to rise from that deepest layer of consciousness.

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Re: On the Divine Identity of Jesus

Postby felix dakat » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:46 am

Fixed Cross wrote:One thing I am convinced of concerning gods is that they are by definition greater, "larger" than what any mortal can be completely right about. This is why there are 4 gospels for Jesus. Doing justice to a god requires a congregation. I believe this is what sets apart a god from a demon. Satan does not require a congregation, that is why he is fallen, he walks among us as one of us, and so he walks inside of men, as a friend, a companion, an equal or someone uncannily pretending to be.


An interesting perspective.


Jesus does not present himself as an equal, he always is more generous than what a mortal can be. The problem I have always had with the move of converting to his will is that his will isn't capable of dealing with everything a philosopher is concerned with. He is just there, like a sky of fresh air - but my spirit is also bound to the salt of the sea and the musk of the earth. The fact of the matter is that Christ did not reveal himself there, but Odin did. I believe that Revelation is the way a god makes himself known. This is why I am averse to dogma as a form of belief. I am not against dogma as a way of preserving the words of prophets and the records of divine events, but I believe that these form the riverbed to the body of communion.


That all makes sense to me.

I wish to lend my mind to facilitate the Christian faith in claiming the third millennium. I was of course deeply facetious with the whole cat thing, yet not without wishing to evoke an intuition about the change of the relationship of humans to animals which is going on, a very favourable trend of humanizing animals, which I suppose is the upside to the trend of animalizing humans. I am contemptuous in the extreme of the idea that animals to not cognize, there is much of consequence to be learned from the mentality of all warm blooded species. I used to dislike dogs when I was a child, now I am deeply fond of them. Dogs often bark as I pass buy - in my occult past barks of anguish and warning, now of uncontrollable excitement. It is very funny, the people who own the dogs are never aware of the dogs reasons and get all fussy. Dogs are in a field of consciousness that humans are too dull headed for, a field where the enjoyment of life is very strong and never collapses, a more acute sense of the present enabled by a richer apperceptive machinery.


Concernng animal cognition I heartily agree.

So as we humans have let our apperceptive machinery decay in favour of the planning mind, which doesn't really require any all too immediate knowledge, because the immediate is too contextual to universalize into methods. But the pleasure of life and thus also the meaning and the drive, the core of it is well represented by our pagan pantheons, which are accessible in walks in the woods, rowing a boat at dusk, sleeping in nice sheets, lighting a candle in a midnight garden, exchanging a glance with a dove, seeing the sky curl up and knowing what comes, hearing the message in a rodents cry, maple seeds gathering on the balcony, an unsuspected eclipse alone in a field, suddenly the silence of all of nature holding its breath; of all this Christianity did not speak, but this is what the Earth needs of us now, and I do not sense that the Christ is partial only to man - the son of man surely is a steward of the earth.


Now that we humans are destroying life on a global scale, it seems more precious to some of us.

A second coming was announced near the days of judgment. I say that it will likely benefit these humans that have turned to the earth - not for salvation, but for an excess of love. The earth is ready to receive the passion that has been built for the vulnerable during two thousand years. She is the proper recipient for the love that Christians have gathered across a hundred generations and across five continents. The cat serves me as a symbol of a cleanliness before the Earth.


Or we'll destroy life on the planet and Christ won't come which seems more realistic given the way we're going and the lack of evidence that would lead us to expect that Christ is going to return from heaven to save us from ourselves.

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