How do you know there is no immortality?
soul
sōl/Submit
noun
noun: soul; plural noun: souls
1.
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
a person’s moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.
“in the depths of her soul, she knew he would betray her”
synonyms: spirit, psyche, (inner) self, inner being, life force, vital force; More
emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.
“their interpretation lacked soul”
synonyms: inspiration, feeling, emotion, passion, animation, intensity, fervor, ardor, enthusiasm, warmth, energy, vitality, spirit
“their music lacked soul”
2.
the essence or embodiment of a specified quality.
“he was the soul of discretion”
synonyms: embodiment, personification, incarnation, epitome, quintessence, essence; More
an individual person.
“I’ll never tell a soul”
synonyms: person, human being, individual, man, woman, mortal, creature
“not a soul in sight”
a person regarded with affection or pity.
“she’s a nice old soul”
3.
African-American culture or ethnic pride.
short for soul music.
Well it says spirit is a synonym for soul, so… yeah.
soul
sōl/Submit
noun
noun: soul; plural noun: souls
1.
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
a person’s moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.
“in the depths of her soul, she knew he would betray her”
synonyms: spirit, psyche, (inner) self, inner being, life force, vital force; More
emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.
“their interpretation lacked soul”
synonyms: inspiration, feeling, emotion, passion, animation, intensity, fervor, ardor, enthusiasm, warmth, energy, vitality, spirit
“their music lacked soul”
2.
the essence or embodiment of a specified quality.
“he was the soul of discretion”
synonyms: embodiment, personification, incarnation, epitome, quintessence, essence; More
an individual person.
“I’ll never tell a soul”
synonyms: person, human being, individual, man, woman, mortal, creature
“not a soul in sight”
a person regarded with affection or pity.
“she’s a nice old soul”
3.
African-American culture or ethnic pride.
short for soul music.Well it says spirit is a synonym for soul, so… yeah.
I have always agreed and seen that scriptures often conflate soul with spirit. But none of those people were perfect. And they conflated things that were strongly related but not truly identical by today’s standards (the only perspective you have). By today’s technical standards, a soul is a very different thing than a spirit in the same way that 4.375 is very different than 4.000. They round out to be the same, but there is a significant difference to those looking very close.
Artimas:soul
sōl/Submit
noun
noun: soul; plural noun: souls
1.
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
a person’s moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.
“in the depths of her soul, she knew he would betray her”
synonyms: spirit, psyche, (inner) self, inner being, life force, vital force; More
emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.
“their interpretation lacked soul”
synonyms: inspiration, feeling, emotion, passion, animation, intensity, fervor, ardor, enthusiasm, warmth, energy, vitality, spirit
“their music lacked soul”
2.
the essence or embodiment of a specified quality.
“he was the soul of discretion”
synonyms: embodiment, personification, incarnation, epitome, quintessence, essence; More
an individual person.
“I’ll never tell a soul”
synonyms: person, human being, individual, man, woman, mortal, creature
“not a soul in sight”
a person regarded with affection or pity.
“she’s a nice old soul”
3.
African-American culture or ethnic pride.
short for soul music.Well it says spirit is a synonym for soul, so… yeah.
I have always agreed and seen that scriptures often conflate soul with spirit. But none of those people were perfect. And they conflated things that were strongly related but not truly identical by today’s standards (the only perspective you have). By today’s technical standards, a soul is a very different thing than a spirit in the same way that 4.375 is very different than 4.000. They round out to be the same, but there is a significant difference to those looking very close.
james is right on…but I need to focus this discussion because we are getting mired down in definitions…
I am starting a new thread called spirit being saved?
turtle,
Then you have to define “spirit” in the sense that YOU mean it.
spir·it
ˈspirit/Submit
noun
1.
the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
“we seek a harmony between body and spirit”
synonyms: soul, psyche, (inner) self, inner being, inner man/woman, mind, ego, id; pneuma
“harmony between body and spirit”
antonyms: body, flesh
the nonphysical part of a person regarded as a person’s true self and as capable of surviving physical death or separation.
“a year after he left, his spirit is still present”
the nonphysical part of a person manifested as an apparition after their death; a ghost.
synonyms: ghost, presence; informalspook
“a spirit haunts the island”
a supernatural being.
“shrines to nature spirits”
short for Holy Spirit.
noun: Spirit; noun: the Spirit
archaic
a highly refined substance or fluid thought to govern vital phenomena.
2.
those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period.
“the university is a symbol of the nation’s egalitarian spirit”
synonyms: ethos, prevailing tendency, motivating force, essence, quintessence; More
a person identified with their most prominent mental or moral characteristics or with their role in a group or movement.
“he was a leading spirit in the conference”
a specified emotion or mood, especially one prevailing at a particular time.
“I hope the team will build on this spirit of confidence”
a person’s mood.
“the warm weather lifted everyone’s spirits after the winter”
synonyms: mood, frame of mind, state of mind, emotional state, humor, temper
“she was in good spirits when I left”
the quality of courage, energy, and determination or assertiveness.
“his visitors admired his spirit and good temper”
synonyms: morale, esprit de corps More
the attitude or intentions with which someone undertakes or regards something.
“he confessed in a spirit of self-respect, not defiance”
synonyms: attitude, frame of mind, way of thinking, point of view, outlook, thoughts, ideas
“that’s the spirit”
the real meaning or the intention behind something as opposed to its strict verbal interpretation.
“the rule had been broken in spirit if not in letter”
synonyms: real/true meaning, true intention, essence, substance
“the spirit of the law”
3.
strong distilled liquor such as brandy, whiskey, gin, or rum.
synonyms: strong liquor/drink; More
a volatile liquid, especially a fuel, prepared by distillation.
“aviation spirit”
archaic
a solution of volatile components extracted from something, typically by distillation or by solution in alcohol.
“spirits of turpentine”
verb
verb: spirit; 3rd person present: spirits; past tense: spirited; past participle: spirited; gerund or present participle: spiriting
1.
convey rapidly and secretly.
“stolen cows were spirited away some distance to prevent detection”
I’m just not seeing it. They seem the same to me. Just another way to say it honestly.
turtle,
Then you have to define “spirit” in the sense that YOU mean it.
exactly…see spirit being saved? thread
Arcturus Descending:turtle,
Then you have to define “spirit” in the sense that YOU mean it.
exactly…see spirit being saved? thread
for those that want to save souls they can stay here…if you are interested in saving human spirits please go to the saving human spirits…thank you
Essentially the same thing… but ok.
You’re doing the very thing you’re against.
You’re doing the very thing you’re against.
what do you mean
Over complicating things that don’t need to be over complicated which in turn only confuses people and delays natural advancement.
Over complicating things that don’t need to be over complicated which in turn only confuses people and delays natural advancement.
what is being overcomplicated
Giving different meanings and definitions to virtually the same thing, just worded different in different sentencing. They’re synonyms for each other and both mean the same thing.
People can bring religion into spirit as well. “oh, holy spirit?”
Giving different meanings and definitions to virtually the same thing, just worded different in different sentencing. They’re synonyms for each other and both mean the same thing.
we just don’t agree…what is your exact definition of spirit and soul…
It doesn’t matter if we agree or not… Definitions are there because they’re definitions… when someone creates their own definitions for things, it’s similar to delusion if not it. It’s like someone saying green is blue and blue is green because that is their own definition of it. I linked both definitions of spirit and soul, and they’re practically the same thing. You can discuss both without and outside religious context or you can discuss both within religious context.
What’s the point of having a dictionary and definitions, encyclopedia’s, etc if everyone is going to make up their own definitions according to their preferences. It’s like trying to tread on ground that has already been tread on, instead of furthering the path.
What’s the point of having a dictionary and definitions, encyclopedia’s, etc if everyone is going to make up their own definitions according to their preferences. It’s like trying to tread on ground that has already been tread on, instead of furthering the path.
you are right…lets proceed here…do you think that people are having trouble nurturing their souls…
What do you mean nurture their souls… I think a huge problem of today is people nurturing themselves too much, staying comfortable with what is instead of going towards what should or can be. Children grow up with shitty parenting and influence then creates what you see here today. The non physical part of them, are you meaning nurturing their emotions? I don’t think people show enough emotion, they think it’s “Gay” or “hippy”.
The essence of us life, is energy and consciousness. So that in a sense, is our soul/spirit.