"America Is a Tinderbox"

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"America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby iambiguous » Sat May 30, 2020 10:21 pm

Consider:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/opin ... e=Homepage

'The last two and a half months in America have felt like the opening montage in a dystopian film about a nation come undone. First the pandemic hit and hospitals in New York City were overwhelmed. The national economy froze and unemployment soared; one in four American workers has applied for unemployment benefits since March. Lines of cars stretched for miles at food banks. Heavily armed lockdown protesters demonstrated across the country; in Michigan, they forced the Capitol to close and legislators to cancel their session. Nationwide, at least 100,000 people died of a disease almost no one had heard of last year.

'Then, this week, a Minneapolis police officer was filmed kneeling on the neck of a black man named George Floyd. As the life went out of him, Floyd pleaded that he couldn’t breathe, echoing the last words of Eric Garner, whose 2014 death at the hands of New York policemen helped catalyze the Black Lives Matter movement. Floyd’s death came only days after three Georgia men were arrested on charges of pursuing and killing a young black man, Ahmaud Arbery, whom they saw out running. A prosecutor had initially declined to charge the men on the grounds that their actions were legal under the state’s self-defense laws.

In Minneapolis protesters poured into the streets, where they met a far harsher police response than anything faced by the country’s gun-toting anti-lockdown activists. On Wednesday night, peaceful demonstrations turned into riots, and on Thursday Minnesota’s governor called in the National Guard.'


And...

'So many things make America combustible right now: mass unemployment, a pandemic that’s laid bare murderous health and economic inequalities, teenagers with little to do, police violence, right-wingers itching for a second civil war and a president eager to pour gasoline on every fire. “I think we’re indeed in a moment where things are going to get a lot more tense before they get more peaceful,” said the University of Michigan historian Heather Ann Thompson, who won the Pulitzer Prize for her 2016 book “Blood in the Water: The Attica Prison Uprising of 1971 and Its Legacy.”'

The perfect storm?

'Keith Ellison, Minnesota’s progressive attorney general, told me that lately, when he goes out walking or running in Minneapolis, he feels a “coiled sort of anxiousness ready to spring.” Many people, he said, “have been cooped up for two months, and so now they’re in a different space and a different place. They’re restless. Some of them have been unemployed, some of them don’t have rent money, and they’re angry, they’re frustrated.”

That frustration is likely to build, because the economic ruin from the pandemic is just beginning. In some states, moratoriums on evictions have ended or will soon. The expanded unemployment benefits passed by Congress as part of the CARES Act run out at the end of July. State budgets have been ravaged, and Republicans in Washington have so far refused to come to states’ aid, meaning we’ll likely soon see painful cutbacks in public jobs and services.

“Where people are broke, and there doesn’t appear to be any assistance, there’s no leadership, there’s no clarity about what is going to happen, this creates the conditions for anger, rage, desperation and hopelessness, which can be a very volatile combination,” said Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, an assistant professor of African-American studies at Princeton. “I would not at all be surprised to see this kind of reaction elsewhere over the course of the next several months.”'
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun May 31, 2020 12:24 am

as we get closer to the election, things will get
worse, far, far worse... there will be violence of
the type we haven't seen in the U.S since the Vietnam war....

roughly every 30 or 40 years, this country has violent episodes....
we saw this during the depression, then again during the 60's...
and now.....

the right wing nutcases will be itching to use their guns and
the police will go easy on them and when their opponents
fight back, the cops will go hard on them... blacks, minorities and/or liberals
will be the target... don't look for this to end anytime soon,
I suspect for the rest of the years into next year will be violent.....
very, very violent

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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Meno_ » Sun May 31, 2020 3:19 am

NBC Los Angeles

GEORGE FLOYD

Entire City of LA Under Curfew as Unrest Continues for 4th Day With Police Cars Burning
Downtown Los Angeles will be under a curfew beginning at 8 p.m. Saturday and lasting through 5:30 a.m. Sunday.
By Sydney Kalich and Shahan Ahmed • Published May 30, 2020 • Updated 18 mins ago


Los Angeles erupted in the fourth day of protests on Saturday with multiple police cars set on fire and city buses overtaken, before several Southern California cities announced curfews to calm the chaos.

Los Angeles police officers in tactical gear and protesters clashed Saturday afternoon near Fairfax Avenue and 3rd Street in the Fairfax District. A police SUV were on fire, sending plumes of black smoke over the area. Messages were written in spray paint on police SUVs, at least two of which had windows smashed out. A few blocks over, a police squad car was also on fire.

At a Saturday news conference, Mayor Eric Garcetti had planned to discuss Friday night’s protest and violence. Instead, he pleaded for peace as people climbed on a Metro bus and set police cars ablaze in the Fairfax District.

"Whether you wear a badge or whether you hold a sign, I’m asking all of Los Angeles to take a deep breath and step back for a moment," Garcetti said. "To allow our firefighters to put out the flames. To allow our peace officers to re-establish some order. And, to let them protect your rights to be out there."

Garcetti announced a curfew that will be in effect in Downtown Los Angeles beginning from 8 p.m. Saturday to 5:30 a.m. Sunday. Later in the evening, the mayor told NBCLA that the curfew had been expanded to the entire city of Los Angeles.

West Hollywood Mayor Lindsey Horvath also announced a curfew will also be in place in her city starting at 8 p.m. A short time later, the city of Beverly Hills said that a curfew would be in place from 8 p.m. Saturday to 5:30 a.m. Sunday to ensure the safety of residents, visitors and law enforcement.

UPDATE: In a rare move, the LAPD has mobilized the entire department meaning basically all in, days off cancelled, two shifts, placement of detectives, special units out in the field to get as many cops on the street as possible. They are responding only to priority calls.


Squad cars are set on fire during protests in the Fairfax District. As seen on the NBC4 News on Saturday, May 30, 2020.

Several rallies were planned across the city Saturday, with Black Lives Matter Los Angeles and BLD PWR scheduling a rally at noon at Pan Pacific Park, 7600 Beverly Blvd., to call for an end to police brutality against unarmed black Americans and justice in the death of George Floyd. The Fairfax District, where the aforementioned rally was planned, featured significant unrest and several police cars vandalized and and set on fire, resulting in a large police response.

The protests erupted Saturday as Los Angeles County reported the largest single day total of coronavirus cases since the pandemic began, confirming another 2,112 cases of COVID-19 and 48 additional deaths.

"We do need to make sure these protests do not become places that are super-spreader events," Garcetti said. "It is not a reason to not protest. We want to find peaceful ways for people to do that."

Garcetti was joined at the afternoon news conference by the Rev. Najuma Smith-Pollard, daughter of the Rev. Cecil L. Murray and program manager for the Community Engagement program named after her father at USC. She remembered the civil unrest that followed the 1992 acquittal of four LAPD officers in the Rodney King beating and her father’s powerful words that comforted the city.

"To those that are feeling the pain and the grief of this season, we stand with you,” she said. “It is the right thing to stand up. It is the right thing to speak up. It should not be that nearly 30 years later we’re still facing this issue."

Garcetti also announced that all COVID-19 sites were closed at 3 p.m. as a result of the unrest.

The marches and protests were part of several cross the United States against police brutality following the in-custody death of George Floyd in Minneapolis on Monday.

Saturday was the fourth straight day of protests in Los Angeles over police brutality targeting African Americans. Businesses were looted, freeways and streets were shut down and the protests have turned violent.


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LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA – MAY 30: An LAPD vehicle burns after being set alight by protestors during demonstrations following the death of George Floyd on May 30, 2020 in Los Angeles, California.

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA – MAY 30: An LAPD officer aims a nonlethal weapon during a confrontation with protestors at a Black Lives Matter protest following the death of George Floyd on May 30, 2020 in Los Angeles, California. Protests have erupted nationwide after Floyd died while in the custody of police in Minneapolis. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA – MAY 30: An LAPD vehicle burns after being set alight by protestors during demonstrations following the death of George Floyd on May 30, 2020 in Los Angeles, California.

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LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA – MAY 30: Protestors march during a
demonstration organized by Black Lives Matter following the death of George Floyd on May 30, 2020 in Los Angeles, California.

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LOS ANGELES, CA – MAY 29: Demonstrators gather on an overpass of the 110 Freeway while police officers gather below in response to the police killing of George Floyd on May 29, 2020 in Los Angeles.
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Demonstrators face a row of police as they block a road leading to the 110 freeway to protest the death of George Floyd, in downtown Los Angeles.
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LOS ANGELES, CA – MAY 29: Demonstrators shut down the Freeway 110 North in downtown Los Angeles response to the police killing of George Floyd on May 29, 2020 in Los Angeles.
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A demonstrator confronts police as he protests the death of George Floyd, in Los Angeles, California on May 29, 2020.
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LOS ANGELES, CA – MAY 29: Demonstrators lights fireworks while they shut down the Freeway 110 North in downtown Los Angeles response to the police killing of George Floyd on May 29, 2020 in Los Angeles.
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A demonstrator holds up a sign outside City Hall as he protests the death of George Floyd, outside police headquarters in Los Angeles, California on May 29, 2020.
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LOS ANGELES, CA – MAY 29: Demonstrators shut down the northbound 110 Freeway in downtown Los Angeles in response to the police killing of George Floyd on May 29, 2020 in Los Angeles, California.
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A protester rides a skateboard on the 110 northbound freeway in downtown Los Angeles.
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Protesters block the 110 northbound and southbound freeway in downtown Los Angeles Friday May 29, 2020.
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A protester stands above the nrothbound 110 freeway in Los Angeles Friday May 29. 2020.
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Demonstrators face a row of police as they block a road leading to the 110 freeway to protest the death of George Floyd, in downtown Los Angeles, California on May 29, 2020.
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Five hundred and thirty-three people were arrested Friday during the protest, Los Angeles police said. The individuals were arrested on suspicion of burglary, looting, probation violation, battery on a police officer, attempted murder and failure to disperse, the LAPD said Saturday in a news release. All but 18 of those arrested were released on their own recognizance.

"While more protests are slated for various locations throughout the city today, we remain hopeful those demonstrations will be peaceful," the department said in its new release. "The Department will be deploying additional resources to maintain order and ensure the safety and security of not only individuals exercising their first amendment rights, but also the residents and businesses in our community."

LAPD said that six officers were injured during the protests on Friday night and Saturday morning. None of the injuries were life-threatening.

Six Los Angeles Police Officers were injured during the protests on Friday night and early Saturday morning. They sustained non-life-threatening injuries ranging from lacerations to impact wounds.

— LAPD HQ (@LAPDHQ) May 30, 2020
Christine Kim reports for Today in LA on Saturday, May 30, 2020.
People are protesting to demand justice for Floyd, who died Monday after being handcuffed and pinned to the ground by a white Minneapolis Police Department officer, Derek Chauvin. Chauvin pressed his knee on the 46-year-old man's neck for several minutes while three other officers looked on.

Video footage of the arrest, in which Floyd is heard saying "I can't breathe," spread widely online, and all four officers were fired.

Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter on Friday.

Police Chief Michel Moore appealed for calm ahead of the protests on Saturday in a tweet saying, "Last night was a dark reminder of the perils of a society in turmoil and how our people stand to support peaceful expression while being ready to protect the rights of all."

This morning the sun came up on a Los Angeles that offered a new day.

Last night was a dark reminder of the perils of a society in turmoil and how our people stand to support peaceful expression while being ready to protect the rights of all.

I’m thankful for such people. pic.twitter.com/eELnTslRYh

— Chief Michel Moore (@LAPDChiefMoore) May 30, 2020

12 HOURS AGO
Images: George Floyd Protests Spill Onto LA Streets

MAY 30
Officer Attacked and 533 Arrested in Downtown LA Protests
City News Service contributed to this report.

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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Chakra Superstar » Sun May 31, 2020 9:18 am

And so it begins....

"Police and National Guard patrolling neighborhood and shooting civilians on their own property in Minneapolis."
Roaming the streets in military trucks and using military tactics on civilians. Un-fucking believable.
After months of lock-down (a tactic used on prisoners) they have now moved to martial law in all but name.
The 'conspiracy theorists' were right AGAIN so you can't say you weren't warned. And it's only just started...

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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun May 31, 2020 6:15 pm

Yes, Ive been predicting all this (without the idiotic left wing propaganda) since 2011.

No one listened.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby iambiguous » Sun May 31, 2020 7:00 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Yes, Ive been predicting all this (without the idiotic left wing propaganda) since 2011.

No one listened.


Or...

"Yes, I've been predicting all this (without the idiotic right wing propaganda) since the Big Bang.

No one listened"

Either that or it's all in the position of the stars. :wink:
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun May 31, 2020 7:13 pm

You can be a dishonest piece of cuntfungus all you want but I have in fact been predicting this since 2011.
I know you are a coward for whom no lie is too low though.
And it is your hypocritical type that caused all this.

So - for me its just, sit back and watch the goddamn idiot-show you cowards have been preparing for yourselves.

:lol: :lol:



And after you cowards have all been rattled and confused and emaciated, the next phase of the plan will be initiated, also just as I predicted and, in part, enabled.

8)

The plan that I behind this is too fucking good. We did need you leftists to reveal your true sick nature in order for it to work.



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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun May 31, 2020 7:28 pm

Your filthy racist Democrat party, which governs the murdering cop, is to blame for all of this and all the shit you will have to eat.

Trump meanwhile FINALLY designated Antifa, the violent hired scum that hijacks every righteous protest and turns it into an imbecilic display of nihilistic fetishes, a terrorist organization.

NICE.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby iambiguous » Sun May 31, 2020 7:35 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:You can be a dishonest piece of cuntfungus all you want but I have in fact been predicting this since 2011.
I know you are a scumbag for whom no lie is too low though.
And it is your hypocritical type that caused all this.

So - for me its just, sit back and watch the goddamn idiot-show you leftists have been preparing for yourselves.


Okay, going back to 2011, note your predictions. And note how astrology was useful in arriving at the conclusion that "leftists" are responsible for what we are witnessing now.

And, ironically enough, "I" do agree the extent to which left-wing radical objectivists insist the way they construe human interactions reflects the best of all possible worlds, can be just as dangerous as the way in which right-wing radical objectivists insist that, on the contrary, only their own moral and political narrative must prevail.

I just don't see how the position of the stars and the planets can have any measurable impact on the tinderbox now unfolding. On the other hand, the manner in which I construe the meaning of dasein at the intersection of identity, value judgments and political power still seems entirely reasonable to me.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby MagsJ » Sun May 31, 2020 8:09 pm

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Plot twist!

George Floyd.. a porn-star from East Texas, and Officer Chauvin, were co-workers at a restaurant for 17 years as bouncers on the door.

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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby iambiguous » Sun May 31, 2020 9:15 pm

And then [of course] this part: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/opin ... e=Homepage

'The Wall Street Journal had a chilling report a few days ago that Facebook’s own research in 2018 revealed that “our algorithms exploit the human brain’s attraction to divisiveness. If left unchecked,” Facebook would feed users “more and more divisive content in an effort to gain user attention & increase time on the platform.”

Mark Zuckerberg shelved the research.

Why not just let all the bots trying to undermine our elections and spreading false information about the coronavirus and right-wing conspiracy theories and smear campaigns run amok? Sure, we’re weakening our society, but the weird, infantile maniacs running Silicon Valley must be allowed to rake in more billions and finish their mission of creating a giant cyberorganism of people, one huge and lucrative ball of rage.

“The shareholders of Facebook decided, ‘If you can increase my stock tenfold, we can put up with a lot of rage and hate,’” says Scott Galloway, professor of marketing at New York University’s Stern School of Business.

“These platforms have very dangerous profit motives. When you monetize rage at such an exponential rate, it’s bad for the world. These guys don’t look left or right; they just look down. They’re willing to promote white nationalism if there’s money in it. The rise of social media will be seen as directly correlating to the decline of Western civilization.”


Right, wrong, good, bad, true, false? For the "show me the money" nihilists here, that matters about as much as a "just war" matters to those in the military industrial complex, raking it in all the way to the bank.

Again, my own existential rendition of the "deep state". Just no less rooted in dasein than yours is.

'Nancy Pelosi, whose district encompasses Twitter, said that it did little good for Dorsey to put up a few fact-checks while letting Trump’s rants about murder and other “misrepresentations” stay up.

“Facebook, all of them, they are all about making money,” the speaker said. “Their business model is to make money at the expense of the truth and the facts.” She crisply concluded that “all they want is to not pay taxes; they got their tax break in 2017” and “they don’t want to be regulated, so they pander to the White House.”'


On the other hand, in so many crucial respects, the Pelosis and the Bidens of this world are construed by some to be just another tentacle attached to the beak of the crony capitalist money machine.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun May 31, 2020 11:58 pm

Just kidding of course, Ive got nothing planned.

I did, but the project fell in disarray due to laws James S Saint had already seen in the beginning.

So - I guess we're going to shit. Or is there an f missing there.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:27 am

Fixed Cross wrote:Just kidding of course, Ive got nothing planned.

I did, but the project fell in disarray due to laws James S Saint had already seen in the beginning.

So - I guess we're going to shit. Or is there an f missing there.


Now this sounds like something I'd expect from the stars. 8)
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Chakra Superstar » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:57 am

MagsJ wrote:-
Plot twist!

George Floyd.. a porn-star from East Texas, and Officer Chauvin, were co-workers at a restaurant for 17 years as bouncers on the door.


How very strange. The owner said they may not have known each other as one was on internal security and the other, external security but strange enough to make you wonder...

The photo of the dude with an ear-piece doesn't surprise me. In lots of the big protests, there are agent provocateurs in the front lines instigating violence. There are a few videos of cops being busted by peaceful protesters and holding them down and you can see they're wearing the same boots the cops wear as part of their uniform. In other videos you see them chase the busted cops until they run behind police lines to get protection and the police take them in like one of their own.

The left-wing media are doing their part to tear America apart by ignoring that 90% of the violence and looters are black and then saying the violence is orchestrated by right-wing, 'white-supremacists'. Funny how they know the violent whites are not ANTIFA, not BLM and not Agent Provocateurs but are 'white supremacists'.

Anyway, there are a few places of sanity however. In some cities, cops are marching with the protestors.



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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:38 am

iambiguous wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Just kidding of course, Ive got nothing planned.

I did, but the project fell in disarray due to laws James S Saint had already seen in the beginning.

So - I guess we're going to shit. Or is there an f missing there.


Now this sounds like something I'd expect from the stars. 8)





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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:46 am

Civil rights groups and some community leaders have condemned LA officials for adopting strict curfews and deploying armed National Guard officers, with the ACLU of Southern California saying “these measures give police too much discretion over whom to arrest and will lead to selective and biased enforcement and risk harassment of people who are unhoused”.

“Combined with the aggressive show of military force ... these approaches repeat the very problems at the root of the protests,” the ACLU said.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:20 am

Meno_ wrote:Civil rights groups and some community leaders have condemned LA officials for adopting strict curfews and deploying armed National Guard officers, with the ACLU of Southern California saying “these measures give police too much discretion over whom to arrest and will lead to selective and biased enforcement and risk harassment of people who are unhoused”.

“Combined with the aggressive show of military force ... these approaches repeat the very problems at the root of the protests,” the ACLU said.


Civil liberties?

Tell that to the knee-jerk objectivists here. Left or right, it is ever and always about seeing the world only as they do.

In fact, that's why some react to me with such disparagement and scorn. It's not what they believe that I am going after, but the manner in which the "psychology of objectivism" itself permeates their fierce attachment to the "real me". Along with the scathing conviction that you are either "one of us" or the scum of the earth.

The whole point is to anchor "I" to a moral or political or religious font. An ideological bedrock from which to split the world in two.

What this actually is, however, pales next to the fact that, in being convinced you are one of the righteous few who really do get what's going on in the world, that in and of itself provides you with the comfort and consolation you need to deal with all the shit that comes with just being a human being in what can often be a turbulent world.

On the other hand, the "show me the money" nihilists behind the curtains are almost certainly far more dangerous. If only because around the globe they are the ones that wield actual power. All most of us have here are our posts.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:32 am

iambiguous wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Civil rights groups and some community leaders have condemned LA officials for adopting strict curfews and deploying armed National Guard officers, with the ACLU of Southern California saying “these measures give police too much discretion over whom to arrest and will lead to selective and biased enforcement and risk harassment of people who are unhoused”.

“Combined with the aggressive show of military force ... these approaches repeat the very problems at the root of the protests,” the ACLU said.


Civil liberties?

Tell that to the knee-jerk objectivists here. Left or right, it is ever and always about seeing the world only as they do.

In fact, that's why some react to me with such disparagement and scorn. It's not what they believe that I am going after, but the manner in which the "psychology of objectivism" itself permeates their fierce attachment to the "real me". Along with the scathing conviction that you are either "one of us" or the scum of the earth.

The whole point is to anchor "I" to a moral or political or religious font. An ideological bedrock from which to split the world in two.

What this actually is, however, pales next to the fact that, in being convinced you are one of the righteous few who really do get what's going on in the world, that in and of itself provides you with the comfort and consolation you need to deal with all the shit that comes with just being a human being in what can often be a turbulent world.

On the other hand, the "show me the money" nihilists behind the curtains are almost certainly far more dangerous. If only because around the globe they are the ones that wield actual power. All most of us have here are our posts.



And that is precisely the paradigmn with today's political norms.
While this neo fascist descent appears dangerous, it has been deranged, like the cure to the pandemic consisting of injected sanitised viruses.

With everyone knowing that the conflated grey is an impossibly high bar from which to dive, but metaphores bar a neat form, yet it has to be done.

That is why only drugs and drink can alleviate the impermeable and shameful disappointment, looking like fear.

The fear is the untested depth, upon landing. Everyone on board with the program. Divide and conquer is one of those fossil-like metaphors.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:54 am

Meno_ wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Civil rights groups and some community leaders have condemned LA officials for adopting strict curfews and deploying armed National Guard officers, with the ACLU of Southern California saying “these measures give police too much discretion over whom to arrest and will lead to selective and biased enforcement and risk harassment of people who are unhoused”.

“Combined with the aggressive show of military force ... these approaches repeat the very problems at the root of the protests,” the ACLU said.


Civil liberties?

Tell that to the knee-jerk objectivists here. Left or right, it is ever and always about seeing the world only as they do.

In fact, that's why some react to me with such disparagement and scorn. It's not what they believe that I am going after, but the manner in which the "psychology of objectivism" itself permeates their fierce attachment to the "real me". Along with the scathing conviction that you are either "one of us" or the scum of the earth.

The whole point is to anchor "I" to a moral or political or religious font. An ideological bedrock from which to split the world in two.

What this actually is, however, pales next to the fact that, in being convinced you are one of the righteous few who really do get what's going on in the world, that in and of itself provides you with the comfort and consolation you need to deal with all the shit that comes with just being a human being in what can often be a turbulent world.

On the other hand, the "show me the money" nihilists behind the curtains are almost certainly far more dangerous. If only because around the globe they are the ones that wield actual power. All most of us have here are our posts.



And that is precisely the paradigmn with today's political norms.
While this neo fascist descent appears dangerous, it has been defanged, like the cure to the pandemic consisting of injected sanitised viruses.

With everyone knowing that the conflated grey is an impossibly high bar from which to dive, and metaphores bar a neat form, yet it has to be done.

That is why only drugs and drink can alleviate the impermeable and shameful disappointment, looking like fear.

The fear is the untested depth, upon landing. Everyone on board with the program. Divide and conquer is one of those fossil-like metaphors.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:23 am

Cui bono?

Who stands to gain from this?

We can black box how much people are feeding the problem, were there agent provacateurs, what the right responses are and so on.

Let's just black box that.

Cui bono?

Well, by design or opportunististic response, the people who see Corona as a call to bring in panopticon control state-like societies, also see street unrest, vandalsim and violence as a call for what they have been dreaming of setting up for a long, long time.

If this appeals to you, if you'd like to contribute to making it easier to justify such state, this would lead to certain actions and telling a specific set of stories.

If you don't want that kind of state, then it would be good to not buy, repeat, accept and help create the justifications of the control mad. (oops, my neutrality might have slipped a bit at the end there)

I do think blacks, for example, get the shit end of the law enforcement stick, but the guys who are loving Corona and now civil unrest since they get to do what they have always wanted to do, hate everyone and if they get their way, skin color is not going to matter because we are just meat and slaves (at best) to them.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:32 pm

I have to leave for work in about 5 minutes but before I go,
I must point out that while cities burn and the virus has killed
thousands and the economy is DOA... what is the President doing?

He is hiding in his bunker below the White house...…

such tremendous and outstanding show of leadership
that Herr Trump is showing us and the world...…

I just can't quite imagine the great leaders of yesteryear,
say a Lincoln or an FDR or a Washington, hiding in their
bunker when the going gets tough....

but hay, Herr Trump has proven himself to be a coward
of epic proportions...…

Her Trump has abdicated his job, his responsibilities and his duties
to the American people to hide in the White house bunker....

so, are you feeling like he has made American great again?

just asking for a friend...…..

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wind up with neither."
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:29 am

POLITICS NEWS

Trump says he will deploy military if state officials can't contain protest violence

To do so, the president would need to invoke the Insurrection Act that allows U.S. troops to be deployed domestically.



June 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

WASHINGTON — As the sound of sirens wailed and flash bangs popped across the street, President Donald Trump announced from the Rose Garden that he would use the U.S. military to stop the riots across the county that have been sparked by the death of George Floyd.

“I am mobilizing all federal and local resources, civilian and military, to protect the rights of law abiding Americans,” Trump said in the extraordinary address, which was delivered as police fired tear gas outside to push protesters back from the White House.

"If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Trump said, referring to himself as "your president of law and order and an ally of all peaceful protesters.”

To activate the military to operate in the U.S., Trump would have to invoke the 213-year-old Insurrection Act, which four people familiar with the decision had told NBC News he planned to do.

The military police forces would come from Fort Bragg in North Carolina and possibly Fort Belvoir in Virginia and could arrive in Washington within hours, these people said.

Trump’s decision to invoke the act, adopted in 1807, to deploy troops comes as his frustrations mount over the protests that have followed the death of Floyd, a black man who was killed in police custody last week in Minneapolis. The people familiar with his decision said Trump was angry Sunday night at the destruction protestors caused in Washington, particularly the vandalization of national monuments.

Some of the president’s aides have been encouraging him for days to invoke the act, as he weighs options for exercising executive powers to address the crisis. The act was last invoked during the 1992 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles.

Trump's remarks came hours after he urged the nation’s governors to get “tough” with unruly demonstrators. “Most of you are weak,” he told them, according to audio of the call obtained by NBC News. "You have to dominate. If you don't dominate, you're wasting your time, they're gonna run over you, you're gonna look like a bunch of jerks,” the president said.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment on the president's plans but at a briefing with reporters Monday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany left open the possibility that the president could invoke the act.

“The Insurrection Act, it’s one of the tools available, whether the president decides to pursue that, that’s his prerogative,“ McEnany said.

Governors can ask that the federal government send active duty troops to help in cases of civil unrest like the widespread protests plaguing U.S. cities over the last several days. But, so far, no governor has requested active duty troops to assist and instead they have relied on local law enforcement and National Guard soldiers and airmen on state active duty.

Governors often prefer the National Guard forces in these cases because they can legally perform law enforcement duties in the U.S., whereas troops on active duty cannot without violating the Posse Comitatus Act, a 1878 law that prohibits the government from using military forces to act as a police force within U.S. borders.

But the president could invoke the Insurrection Act to deploy active-duty troops without a request from a governor. Those troops would be allowed to conduct law enforcement missions. To invoke the act, Trump would first have to issue a proclamation to “immediately order the insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time,” according to the law.

In the past the Justice Department has drafted such proclamations. And according to the Congressional Research Service, the act has been invoked many times throughout U.S. history, although rarely since the 1960s civil rights era. When it was invoked in 1992 during the Los Angeles riots, the move was requested by then-California Gov. Pete Wilson, not invoked solely by President George H.W. Bush.

The Defense Department declined to comment on the possibility that the president could invoke the act.

One of Trump’s allies outside the White House, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., urged Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act “if necessary” so U.S. troops can “support our local law enforcement and ensure that this violence ends tonight.”

Courtney Kube

Courtney Kube is a correspondent covering national security and the military for the NBC News Investigative Unit.



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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:38 am

Massachusetts GOP governor rips Trump's 'bitterness, combativeness and self-interest'

By Paul LeBlanc, CNN

Updated 7:57 PM EDT, Mon June 01, 2020

(CNN)Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker on Monday excoriated President Donald Trump's "bitterness, combativeness and self-interest" as nationwide protests have intensified over the death of George Floyd.

The Republican governor made the comments at a press conference when asked about Trump's video teleconference call, in which the President urged state leaders to aggressively target violent protesters. The call came after nearly a week of protests across the country that at times have turned violent over the death of Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who died at the hands of a police officer in Minneapolis.

"I heard what the President said today about dominating and fighting. I know I should be surprised when I hear incendiary words like this from him, but I'm not," Baker told reporters. "At so many times during these past several weeks when the country needed compassion and leadership the most, it was simply nowhere to be found."

Instead, he continued, "we got bitterness, combativeness and self-interest. That's not what we need in Boston, it's not what we need right now in Massachusetts and it's definitely not what we need across this great country of ours either."

The President's hardline message to governors comes as he and his advisers continue to debate the wisdom of a national address following the protests, one of which took place outside the White House and led him and his family to retreat to an underground bunker on Friday night.

"You have to dominate or you'll look like a bunch of jerks, you have to arrest and try people," the President told the governors in a call from the basement White House Situation Room, according to an audio recording of the call obtained by CNN.

Baker, a frequent critic of the President, struck a different tone earlier Monday in a statement praising "the powerful statement" that peaceful protestors made in Boston.

"The murder of George Floyd at the hands of police was a horrible tragedy -- one of countless tragedies to befall people of color across the United States. The vast majority of protesters today did so peacefully, toward a common goal of promoting justice and equality," he said.

"I am deeply thankful for their voices and their positive, forceful message. I also want to express my gratitude to all the police officers and other first responders working to protect the people of Boston from the individuals whose violent actions, looting and property destruction was criminal and cowardly -- and distracted from the powerful statement made today by thousands of Massachusetts residents."



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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:49 am

There's no reason to believe the murder of George Floyd was racially motivated.

Nonetheless it's being used to further divide and destroy America.

Christine Blasey Ford was bullshit, the migrant caravans were bullshit, Russian Collusion was bullshit, Covid-19 was bullshit and this...while the police brutality appears to be genuine, the way it's being interpreted and exploited by the liberal elite (I say liberal elite because not all liberals are on board with what they're doing) and their pawns (much of Antifa and BLM) to promote violence and anti-white, anti-right and anti-police sentiment in the middle of a supposed pandemic, is bullshit.

All part of the liberal elite's scorched earth strategy they've been carrying out for the last 3-4 years.

I'm not surprised, in fact I'm sure the next (fake) crisis isn't too far off, my only question is, will America, and the rest of the world, be able to survive it?

How much more can we take, a fake epidemic, real lockdown and economic depression, and now race riots martial law, before it all comes tumbling down?

All this is not to say the conservative elite are perfect, very, very far from it, or that they're not in cahoots with liberals on a lot of this shit, but in my estimation, the liberal elite have gone totally batshit ever since Brexit and quasi-populists like Jair Bolsonaro, Matteo Salvini and you know who were elected worldwide.

Their NWO based on communism and technocracy they've been quietly building for the last 70 years out of the old crony capitalist world order lost a little ground, and they absolutely refuse to accept it.

Now they're doubling and tripling down.

The liberal elite no longer believe in liberty at all and they refuse to meet their opposition halfway (if you're a civic nationalist, you're a Nazi, if you don't want open borders, you're a xenophobe, if you don't want more special privileges for blacks and natives, you're a white supremacist, if you don't chop your son's balls off and allow him to be groomed by drag queens, you're a transphobe, if you don't believe all women you're a misogynist (unless it's Bill Clinton or Joe Biden then it's okay), if you don't accept carbon taxes the sky will fall, if you don't submit to contract tracing, house arrest, relocation, masks, social distancing, testing and vaccinations, you're a carrier, a spreader and you need to be fined and incarcerated).

They've abandoned free speech, the freedom to assemble (unless you're Antifa or BLM and you're raiding a supermarket or setting fire to a building, then it's okay), travel and work, the presumption of innocence, privacy, bodily integrity, everything and unreservedly embraced totalitarianism.
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Re: "America Is a Tinderbox"

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:00 am

Gloominary wrote:
All part of the liberal elite's scorched earth strategy they've been carrying out for the last 3-4 years.
I don't think the elite has a part or side of the spectrum. Bush was there for 9/11 and the lost trillions.

I see how they use politics (any politics), but they're not, to me, political. They are wholly mercenary.
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