Coronavirus Hoax

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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:17 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Naw big brother and MSM only show you a modicum of the science that's out there.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/yn020iM8ghPe/

*The old way.. heal the body to cure the symptoms.
*The new way.. cure the symptoms and destroy the nervous system, with toxic medicines.

It’s not so much the virus killing the many, as it is their weakened nervous systems letting them down, by being suppressed and therefore disengaged from the body through toxins in our consumerables, and so causing modern illnesses that were not around before - In procuring food additives from all over the globe, the West opened itself up to toxic warfare, which has been going on for a few decades now.. slowly suffocating ourselves to death and dis-ease through a weakened NS. I bet Taiwan rarely outsource food additives, if at all.

This isn’t new news, but here we still are, discussing a very serious matter.. decades later.

Yup, medicine use to be more about holistic healing, then it became more about managing symptoms, keeping the sick alive, and dependent, and now it's gotten even worse, now it's about depopulation, mass murder, it's not medicine at all.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby phyllo » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:33 pm

If they wanted depopulation and mass murder, then they would not be telling people to isolate and practice social distancing. They would be telling people to go out and mingle so that the maximum number of people get COVID and die.

In fact, their recommendations show an obsession with saving lives even at the cost of a damaged economy.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby iambiguous » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:35 pm

phyllo wrote:
Now this sounds like a hoax to me.
Go talk to Felix or Karpel or whoever still wants to talk to you.


No way!

Here, when you've seen one hoax you've seen them all.

Well, so far. :wink:
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby iambiguous » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:39 pm

He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:24 pm

The fact that Censortube pulled the videos, is another truly alarming event.

Let's go over it.

They lied from the start. They over-reacted. Two years of economic growth is destroyed. The economic downturn will cause massive harm. New forms of censorship and corruption are rising.


There's some real evil lurking in the West.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:46 am

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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:43 am

I want to update this post with....
https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backe ... _rudd8F5Lw

So, the same FAuci who said the Trump Administration WILL face a disease crisis - see link in this post of mine -
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5#p2765200

also funded the research of corona viruse on bats in Wuhan. He knew a major infectious disease crisis was coming. He funded a lab in the city where it supposed would start. The lab was studying corona viruses on the specific species of bats that is supposed to be the origin of the disease. The lab he invested in was considered unsafe by two state department officials back in 2018.

For some reason Carleas, but also many others don't seem to find it odd that we are investing in labs in China that are producing dangerous and potentially weaponized diseases. He even goes so far to brush this off as China is an ally. None of the other coincidences above seem to both him and many others.

How the US government not start looking at the possibility that it was a leak from the lab, starting in December last year, since the government invested money in this lab and those officials who did this HAD to know there was a possible problemw with that lab and what it was working on?

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Carleas wrote:No, I don't find this odd. China is an ally. Trump has instigated a trade war with them, but they are still an ally and trade partner.
The US has been doing a lot of sword waving, mostly with the navy. It's a dictatorship with a nuclear stockpile. They are considered a potential enemy, similar to Russia and I would lay money down the Pentagon is running war simulations against them all the time, and that intel ops go against them all the time. Of course they are a trade partner. Hitler's Germany was a trade partner with the US right up to and even during WW2.

And the global health system, like science more generally, is very collaborative. And if a lab anywhere in the world is conducting research like this, it makes sense for the US to fund research to get more information about the lab and their results: to pay for the access that lets them e.g. report back that security and precautions are lax.
It makes more sense than funding US or European labs? No, it doesn't.

I believe we do. But funding research is also about keeping an eye on what other labs are doing. We fund them because as funders we get access.
How do you know this?

What's the hypothesis here? Are we still just trying to discount bat soup as the alternative explanation?

Sure, and wet markets.

I think the evidence justifies some suspicion that the origin of the pandemic is the lab (though not a strong conclusion). But even taking that as given, there are a lot of ways it could happen, and the mention of US government funding makes it seem like we're positing a stronger hypothesis: that there is some sinister global conspiracy involving at least some faction of the US and Chinese governments, and that the virus was released intentionally by actors within that conspiracy. I don't think the evidence supports that.
I don't have a conclusion. And it need not be both goverments. It should be added that the US had a delegation of military personel in Wuhan (I never heard of this place before December) for a military olympics. This would allow black ops also. I think it is odd that the US reallowed the gain of effect research not long before investing in the Chinese lab, that turned out to, according to the state department, not have good safety measures but continued to do the research. Your motivation for why the US would want to fund the lab is to get to monitor. Two reasons to do this 1) to see what they are researching - but then hard to imagine the Chinese government is going to allow the US to get access to programs that might be directly weapons development based or 2) to have some control over if they safety is good. I don't see any evidence so far that anyone listened to the two State dept. people.

A third even more likely reason, given the timing, was the US govt. could use the new legality of this kind of dangerous (yes, also potentially helpful) research to fund the research, but do it far away from prying eyes, like journalists. Also giving them much more deniability than they get with a locally funded program with say US scientists. This deniability does not have to be some global conspiracy, just an avoidance of backlash for errors made. It was the Chinese lab's poor safety.

Note: I knew about the lab and the research, from online sources, in December.

We have a lab in Wuhan doing research on corona viruses not just on bats, but one the specific species of bat supposedly the previous host. This lab has raised concerns in the local office of the State Department.

Now let's say your hypothesis is right. Many cities have labs in China working on viruses. Well, either they are working on corona viruses and that specific species of bat, which would be really suspicious and weird, or they are working on other projects, and then it is irrelevant.

It tooks months for any official acknowledgment that this might possibly be the source of the virus.

I think it's a bit disingenous to say 'for all you know there might be similar labs in many Chinese cities'. I see not reason to believe that, but there should be some way to produce evidence of that.

If I was saying it must be the lab and the US government planned the whole thing, they these suggestions, however speculative, become more understandible, but honestly right now it appears like it simply cannot be the case so you look around for hypotheticals.

I don't know how you've missed the saber rattling between between the US and China. Or that China often tries to defend countries that the US calls the Axis of evil. It has often advocated for Iran for example. True allies of the US, like say Japan, in that region are often backed up by the US in relation to China.

I don't know what to do when what to me is all just rather obvious in foreign relations for decades and has taken a sharp upturn in both rhetoric and actions - military exercies, leaders exchanging threats - is denied.

To me I have been reading things along the lines of this....
https://www.businessinsider.com/here-ar ... ?r=US&IR=T

for years, with details changing.

China has not been demonized as much as PUtin (Russia) but it's a backburner type of system seen as opposed to the US. Corporations will trade with anyone.

Toss in to all this that the head of the NIH said that Trump was going to deal with an infectious disease crisis during his tenure - he couldn't know that, they are spaced a bit wider in time and that it would be a surprise.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:10 pm

When the 3rd Reich came to power in Germany, they didn't start putting people in camps right away.
There were 1000s upon 1000s of red flags that lead up to that.
Some people left Germany early.
Others fought or fled after the Reich intensified its oppression.
However, some trusted right up until the end, after it was too late to turn back.
We have to accept there's a large % of people who'll trust authority no matter what.

However, in my estimation (of course some would argue with me, particularly those on the radical left), today we're not in danger of radical religious or fascistic groups coming to power, on the contrary, we're in danger of radical technocratic and Marxist groups coming to power.
The 3rd reich didn't materialize out of the aether, there were a lot of things that lead up to it.
Marxists were trying to take over Germany like they took over Russia and much of Eastern Europe and they finally did take over half of Germany after the war.
Millions upon millions of Germans were slaughtered and raped, just as they slaughtered and raped millions of Russians.
The 3rd reich were pressured to do much of what they did.
They were fighting a bitter struggle over the destiny of Germany.

What's happening now is the public veered a bit more to the right than usual, particularly culturally and socially when they elected Donald Trump in the US, Boris Johnson in the UK, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Matteo Salvini in Italy (who they've managed to remove) and others in Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary.
It's not an accident the public veered to the right, they were sick and tired of the increasingly crony capitalist, neoliberal (culturally and socially center left, economically center right) order established in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
The left started veering more to socialism and the right nationalism, but the public went more with the nationalists than the socialists and this enraged the left.
They couldn't take it and for the last few years, they've been throwing everything at the right to see what would stick.
Unfortunately for them, little did.
The left knows it has no chance of winning an election in 2020 so they've gone full tilt batshit crazy.
If this virus exists, it looks like they created it in a lab and released it to use as a pretext to seize power and oust Donald Trump and other nationalists.

A struggle is happening over the destiny of the west and the world.
If it can't be resolved, if they can't collaborate or reach a compromise (and it doesn't look like they'll be able to, things are already ugly), things could get brutal.
The centrists, the moderates are dissolving, and the extremists, center left and radical left, center right and radical right, are coming out of the woodwork.
Of course a lot of this isn't happening organically, powerful financiers on all sides are moving the chess pieces around the board.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:42 pm

Sorry gang, it's not just the tinfoil hat wearing alt right conspiracy theorists anymore, even those right smack in the middle, who we think of as the most sane and sober among us, are accusing the Technocratic Left of fascism (or communism rather).

Elon Musk criticizes coronavirus stay-at-home orders, calling them 'fascist'

Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk is railing against stay-at-home orders meant to slow the coronavirus pandemic, calling them "fascist" and likening them to "forcibly imprisoning people in their homes" during a Tesla earnings call Wednesday.
"I would call it, 'forcibly imprisoning people in their homes' against all their Constitutional rights, in my opinion, and breaking people's freedoms in ways that are horrible and wrong and not why people came to America or built this country," Musk said. "It's an outrage."
"Give people back their goddamn freedom," he added.
The comments followed a string of tweets early Wednesday morning praising Texas for lifting some of its pandemic restrictions and complaining about continued coronavirus restrictions elsewhere across the country, saying, "FREE AMERICA NOW."
The missive was the latest in a long line of tweets, dating back to late January, downplaying the threat of the pandemic.
"Give people their freedom back," the Tesla founder tweeted Wednesday. He added in another reply: "Yes, reopen with care & appropriate protection, but don't put everyone under de facto house arrest."
The tweets are the latest expressions of Musk's frustration with how the coronavirus pandemic has been handled, despite public health officials' continued insistence that social distancing remains necessary to avoid a second wave of infections that could again overwhelm hospitals.
They reflect how one of the world's wealthiest people has sought to leverage his enormous platform — Musk has 33.4 million Twitter followers — to influence the course of the pandemic response, sometimes downplaying the threat of the virus and contradicting guidance from government and health officials.
Though Musk has not explicitly cited or expressed support for any such group, the comments echo arguments from protestors backed by powerful conservative allies in Washington DC and some local politicians, who have ignored social distancing guidelines to express their discontent with stay-at-home orders in recent weeks. Some right-wing media figures have similarly tried to cast doubt on official information about coronavirus from health experts.
Musk's comments also come in stark contrast to those made by some of his peers in Silicon Valley, who have urged caution on reopening.
"I worry that reopening certain places too quickly, before infection rates have been reduced to very minimal levels, will almost guarantee future outbreaks and worsen longer-term health and economic outcomes," Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said during an earnings call Wednesday. Facebook has canceled in-person company events with 50 or more people through June 2021.
Zillow is allowing all staff the option to work from home through the end of 2020, even as some offices may begin to reopen in the coming months.

Musk has been tweeting about coronavirus for months.
In late January, Musk tweeted about the virus, saying: "There is considerable conflation of diagnosis & contraction of 'corona'. Actual virality is much lower than it would seem. I think this will turn out to be comparable to other forms of influenza. World War Z it is not." He later added that he "meant to say other forms of 'the cold,' not influenza." Health experts believe coronavirus is more highly contagious, and deadlier, than the seasonal flu.
In early March, he claimed, "The coronavirus panic is dumb," while public health officials were scrambling to convince the general public of the seriousness of the threat the virus posed. The tweet racked up more than 1.7 million likes.
He tweeted on March 16 that it is "maybe worth considering chloroquine" to treat coronavirus, and then said, "*Hydroxychloroquine probably better." He also noted that he received chloroquine when he had malaria and said, "doesn't mean it works for C19, but maybe better than nothing."
The tweets were in reference to two drugs, typically used to treat malaria and other conditions, for which the US Food and Drug Administration last month issued an emergency authorization to treat coronavirus patients. President Donald Trump and Fox News hosts repeatedly touted the medications.
But health experts have cautioned more recently against the drugs, and the FDA issued a warning, saying they should only be used in hospitals or clinical trials because they can kill or cause serious side effects.
On March 19, Musk tweeted: "My guess is that the panic will cause more harm than the virus, if that hasn't happened already."
Also on March 19, he tweeted: "Based on current trends, probably close to zero new cases in US too by end of April."
The same day, he also claimed that "kids are essentially immune" to the virus. Though the elderly and those who are already immunocompromised are among those facing the highest risk of infection, health workers say young people should not underestimate their risk of contracting the disease or dying from it.

Later in March, Musk tweeted that there is an "up to 80% false positive rate" in coronavirus diagnostic testing and that "many doctors are not treating patients, due to fear of giving or receiving" coronavirus. While there have been concerns about false negatives from coronavirus diagnostic tests — in other words, people who really do have the coronavirus are told they do not — it's not clear that false positives are a significant concern.
Earlier this month, Musk tweeted about another potential coronavirus treatment, saying, "Remdesivir is sounding very promising!"
New data from a preliminary trial suggests patients with severe covid-19 who took remdesivir could recover faster than patients who didn't take it, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said Wednesday. Normally, data about a drug's efficacy wouldn't be released this early from a preliminary trial. However, the FDA is likely to announce an emergency-use authorization for remdesivir, a senior administration official told the New York Times.
The FDA has not yet officially approved any drugs for the treatment of coronavirus.
Last week, Musk shared a link to a YouTube video, saying, "docs make good points."
The video, which has since been removed from YouTube for violating the platform's policy on misinformation, featured two doctors making dubious claims about coronavirus and claiming that shelter-in-place orders are no longer necessary. The doctors, who are not epidemiologists and who own and operate urgent care centers in the Bakersfield, California area, were also featured on Fox News.
Their claims drew widespread condemnation from health officials and medical experts, including a forceful joint statement by the American College of Emergency Physicians and American Academy of Emergency Medicine, which called their statements "reckless and untested musings" that "are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/elon-musk-criticizes-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders-calling-them-fascist/ar-BB13p1Jg?li=AAggNb9

As the pressure builds, more and more people are taking sides.
How far will the left go?
Is Elon Musk secretly a member of the Klan too (perhaps even as high as Grand Wizard)?
Is Dr. Mercola and Dr. Phil?
Is half the world?
Even many Canadians have had enough.

Hundreds flock to Alberta legislature to protest COVID-19 restrictions

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/hundreds-flock-to-alberta-legislature-to-protest-covid-19-restrictions/ar-BB13omXU?li=AAggNb9
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:05 pm

@Gloominary:

People chose to self-isolate, then Governments jumped on that bandwagon and took control.. like they are now also doing on the matter of to-wear-or-not-to-wear face-masks.

The US, UK, and many other countries will be implementing operation reverse-lockdown from next week onwards.. is that not good enough?

Also, tbf.. working from home was high on the agenda of many companies and corporations for quite some time now, and most will welcome the opportunity and option.
Weren’t closed borders not cried for, to stop illegal immigration? Now each Country and Continent has the massive opportunity to look after their own and their home affairs.. where you see a negative, I see a positive.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby iambiguous » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:15 pm

Again, the problem here is that both sides can make reasonable arguments. But neither side is able to encompass a complete understanding of the coronavirus itself. You can talk about the freedom to congregate with others, not wear a mask, reopen your business. But if you are wrong about the virus and get infected that can easily collide with the freedom of others not to become infected by your very own interpretation of freedom.

Unless of course you are able to establish beyond all doubt that the numbers here... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

...are just part and parcel of a liberal hoax to create a New World Order run by the United Nations.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:16 pm

MagsJ wrote:@Gloominary:

People chose to self-isolate, then Governments jumped on that bandwagon and took control.. like they are now also doing on the matter of to-wear-or-not-to-wear face-masks.

The US, UK, and many other countries will be implementing operation reversing-lockdown.. is that not good enough?

We'll see how things go, I don't think the technocratic left are going to stop, for they told us they wouldn't, they said they wouldn't fully (only partly and temporarily) release us till a vaxx is released and most, if not all of us get it.
And even if we force them to stop, there'll be another false flag in a few months or years.
I don't think they will stop until at the very least they've regained the power they lost, if ever, they may try to take it all the way to the end this time.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:38 pm

People are seeing this event as a dot, I'm seeing it as part of a picture.
They went after Brett Kavanaugh with the Christine Blasey Ford false flag.
Then they went after Trump and his administration with the Russiagate false flag.
Now they're going after the right and all of us with this.
Of course I could be wrong, but nonetheless I think they're only going to accelerate and intensify.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:25 pm

Gloominary wrote:People are seeing this event as a dot, I'm seeing it as part of a picture.
They went after Brett Kavanaugh with the Christine Blasey Ford false flag.
Then they went after Trump and his administration with the Russiagate false flag.
Now they're going after the right and all of us with this.
Of course I could be wrong, but nonetheless I think they're only going to accelerate and intensify.

I think there are multiple reasons for the lockdown, and not all of them negative.. perhaps it is the
LLL and Crony Capitalists that need to keep up with (the) Change(s)?
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Carleas » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:48 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Two years of economic growth is destroyed. The economic downturn will cause massive harm.

This is absolutely true. According to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, GDP fell $191.2 billion in Q1 2020. Q2 will probably be worse, and estimates of the total cost when it's all over are $1-2trillion.

For comparison, I did some math around the value on the other side of the scale: the dollar value of lives lost to COVID (see spreadsheet here), and my quick and dirty estimate is that the value of life lost from COVID in the US is at least $8 billion, and may be higher than $20 billion.

My method is very rough, and I can think of a few ways that it can be improved, but here is how I arrived at those numbers:
I found life expectancy data from the Social Security Administration, which shows how many years of life a person of a given age can expect. I couldn't find national demographics for COVID deaths by age, so I used NY death demographics as a proxy. Since their numbers are in age bands, I averaged the life expectancy for all the ages in a band, and I used the male life expectancy because 1) men die more frequently from COVID, and 2) men don't live as long. To exclude those who would have died anyway, I used the %, I used the numbers for people who either don't have a preexisting condition or for whom it is unknown whether or not they have a preexisting condition. That gave me [average years left] * [number dead (60966 on 4/30)] = [total lost years]. I then found estimates for the value of a year of life. There was significant variation, but I did the math for both $50k and $129k: [value of a year of life] * [total lost years] = [dollar cost of loss of life]. The result is $8,517,131,122.25, assuming $50k per life-year, and $21,974,198,295.41 assuming 129k per life-year.

Issues with this approach:
As the wiki page points out, there are better ways to estimate lives in dollars, but I don't know how to do the estimate using QALYs. On the one hand, my estimate may overestimate the true cost, because it treats life-years for all ages as equal in value, which we can be pretty sure they aren't.

On the other hand, I exclude the majority of deaths completely, which is definitely wrong, and probably orders of magnitude larger in effect: deaths with preexisting conditions under 65 are about a quarter of all deaths, and most of those will have a non-zero number of years left. I've basically treated those people as already dead.

Generalizing from the NY data probably isn't perfect.

Using only the male data isn't perfect, and under-counts the cost by 1-5 years per person.

The cost in lost GDP is for Q1, but most deaths tool place in Q2.

The cost in lost GDP includes the cost of both the loss of life and the lockdown-generated economic collapse.

Some additional questions:
- How many lives has lockdown saved? How many lives will it save? This estimates cost of what has happened, not what would have happened. If we think the lockdown has cut deaths in half, it's a very different outcome from what it would be if we think it was only cut by 5%.

- What percent of the loss of GDP is caused by formal lockdown, as opposed to voluntary social distancing? Sweden, the poster child for a less mandatory approach, still saw a 75% drop in movement. Does that mean that formal lockdowns are only responsible for the difference between that and whatever results they're seeing? Note also that Sweden's approach doesn't seem to have improved its economic outcomes (their economic losses are projected to be larger than Denmark and Norway, who have more aggressive lockdowns -- would like to know Gloominary's reaction to this as well).

Karpel Tunnel wrote:For some reason Carleas, but also many others don't seem to find it odd that we are investing in labs in China that are producing dangerous and potentially weaponized diseases. He even goes so far to brush this off as China is an ally.

What do you mean by odd, and what specifically is it that you find odd? We're in the middle of a once-a-century pandemic, so by many definitions everything about the current global situation is odd. Given that we're in a pandemic, how likely is it that it was first identified in a city with a research laboratory dedicated to studying this kind of virus? That depends on how many such laboratories there are, how many of them are in places where diseases with pandemic potential are likely to jump from animals to people, how much likely such a disease is to be in an area where an above average part of the population is an expert in the disease that's identified, etc.

Here is an article from 2006, about how multiple infectious disease labs were built in the area of China in which the 2003 SARS epidemic began, not too distant from Wuhan. Is that odd?

For US funding, what percent of labs that do this kind of work are US funded? We hear a lot about the Wuhan lab, but given that a lab is studying this kind of disease, how likely is it that the US is funding them? The CDC spent more than $600m in 2019 on "Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases", of which about $750k went to the Wuhan lab ($3.7m over 5 years). Presumably some part of the remaining >$599,250,000 went to other labs, probably also located in parts of the world that have generated multiple potential pandemics in the past decade. Given that there's a lab in a city with an outbreak, how likely is it that it's a US-funded lab? Seems pretty likely.

As I said earlier, "I think the evidence justifies some suspicion that the origin of the pandemic is the lab." I don't think it justifies a strong belief about this, and I don't think the US government connection is particularly meaningful.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:03 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:People are seeing this event as a dot, I'm seeing it as part of a picture.
They went after Brett Kavanaugh with the Christine Blasey Ford false flag.
Then they went after Trump and his administration with the Russiagate false flag.
Now they're going after the right and all of us with this.
Of course I could be wrong, but nonetheless I think they're only going to accelerate and intensify.

I think there are multiple reasons for the lockdown, and not all of them negative.. perhaps it is the
LLL and Crony Capitalists that need to keep up with (the) Change(s)?

I think there's only one reason for the lockdown, it's a technocratic and Marxist takeover, and it's mostly negative.
We do need to get rid of the crony capitalists and either replace them with real capitalists like Maxime Bernier in Canada and Rand Paul in the US, or with social democrats, not with technocrats and Marxists, which's what this is.
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The people making these changes to our society are globalists, not nationalists, even tho it makes sense to shut down borders under their plandemic narrative, they're finding excuses to keep borders open, shut down our local food production or divert it overseas and replace our local food with food from the 3rd world.
They're using this as much as they can to promote globalism, not nationalism.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:31 pm

Gloominary wrote:I think there are multiple reasons for the lockdown, and not all of them negative.. perhaps it is the
LLL and Crony Capitalists that need to keep up with (the) Change(s)?

I think there's only one reason for the lockdown, it's a technocratic and Marxist takeover, and it's mostly negative.
We do need to get rid of the crony capitalists and either replace them with real capitalists like Maxime Bernier in Canada and Rand Paul in the US, or with social democrats, not with technocrats and Marxists, which's what this is.[/quote]
You mean since D Trump became Pres, or a continuation of the takeover process without having had a reprieve?

Isn’t the US Government accountable in fulfilling their manifesto to a certain degree, or percentage of it? I don’t think they can govern with might-is-right, and how can a more Socialistic governance style be implemented via a Republican one? A mixed one perhaps.. sure.

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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:40 pm

Gloominary wrote:The people making these changes to our society are globalists, not nationalists, even tho it makes sense to shut down borders under their plandemic narrative, they're finding excuses to keep borders open, shut down our local food production or divert it overseas and replace our local food with food from the 3rd world.
They're using this as much as they can to promote globalism, not nationalism.

A’la EU stylee, and look how that worked out.

They obviously want to build links and be inna with these countries, at the expense of the US people and industries.. they want a piece of that Third-world economical-growth pie. Trade-blocking China from building major roads and whatnot, but it would be a happier picture if US citizens were also benefiting from these new trade deals and changes. That aspect is crazy, I agree..
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:03 pm

Gloominary, Carleas: WHO now approves of Sweden's approach....
https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-swede ... -the-world
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby iambiguous » Fri May 01, 2020 12:11 am

Another perspective: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... ncing.html

The irony being that many antigovernment reactionaries who applaud Sweden's policies here have no problem at all in castigating a lot of other policies. Sweden is not called one of Europe's most egregious "nanny states" for nothing.

In the end, the numbers will tell. Either Sweden will achieve their vaunted "herd immunity" and accept the number of citizens that will die along the way, or, as with Boris Johnson in England, who once embraced it himself, the numbers will eventually spike to the point that greater restrictions on social interaction are established.

Either way, the extremists on "the pandemic is a hoax" end of the political spectrum won't budge an inch. And why should they? They are, after all, never, ever wrong. About, well, anything.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Carleas » Fri May 01, 2020 1:12 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:Gloominary, Carleas: WHO now approves of Sweden's approach....

Suppose my house and my neighbor's house are on fire due to a problem with the electrical system. My response is to put out the fire. My neighbor's response is to upgrade their electrical system while the house still burns. I mention to a friend that upgrading the electrical system is something that needs to happen long term after the fire is out.

Fox News: "Carleas says upgrading electrical system while house still on fire is the what "needs to happen".
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Fri May 01, 2020 1:14 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:Gloominary, Carleas: WHO now approves of Sweden's approach....
https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-swede ... -the-world

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like it's just one of the WHO's top officials that approves of Sweden's approach, not the WHO itself.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Fri May 01, 2020 1:32 am

MagsJ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
MagsJ wrote:I think there are multiple reasons for the lockdown, and not all of them negative.. perhaps it is the
LLL and Crony Capitalists that need to keep up with (the) Change(s)?

I think there's only one reason for the lockdown, it's a technocratic and Marxist takeover, and it's mostly negative.
We do need to get rid of the crony capitalists and either replace them with real capitalists like Maxime Bernier in Canada and Rand Paul in the US, or with social democrats, not with technocrats and Marxists, which's what this is.

You mean since D Trump became Pres, or a continuation of the takeover process without having had a reprieve?

Isn’t the US Government accountable in fulfilling their manifesto to a certain degree, or percentage of it? I don’t think they can govern with might-is-right, and how can a more Socialistic governance style be implemented via a Republican one? A mixed one perhaps.. sure.

Are you glad you’re Canadian? :D

There's some things I prefer about Canada, like our social healthcare (even tho I rarely use it, it's nice to know it's there), legal marijuana (even tho I don't smoke it) and we generally get along with everyone internationally and intranationally, but there's some things I prefer about the US, like their lax gun laws (we just had a mass shooting here and unfortunately Justin Trudeau is using it as a pretext to try to ban semi-autos).

Ultimately It's up to the American people to decide whether they want social healthcare or not democratically, it's not something that should be forced on them along with radical leftwing agendas.
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Re: Coronavirus Hoax

Postby Gloominary » Fri May 01, 2020 2:01 am

MagsJ wrote:
Gloominary wrote:The people making these changes to our society are globalists, not nationalists, even tho it makes sense to shut down borders under their plandemic narrative, they're finding excuses to keep borders open, shut down our local food production or divert it overseas and replace our local food with food from the 3rd world.
They're using this as much as they can to promote globalism, not nationalism.

A’la EU stylee, and look how that worked out.

They obviously want to build links and be inna with these countries, at the expense of the US people and industries.. they want a piece of that Third-world economical-growth pie. Trade-blocking China from building major roads and whatnot, but it would be a happier picture if US citizens were also benefiting from these new trade deals and changes. That aspect is crazy, I agree..

It didn't work out for them but only because we pushed back, just as we must push back now.
For me the bottom line is, I don't want meat from the 3rd world.
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