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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:58 pm

Anomaleigh wrote:Who the hell does this Turd guy think he is, Alan Greenspan or Ben Bernanke?


No, it's much worse than that.


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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:04 pm

Turd wrote:

If the ratio is off even a little inflation will strike. Luckily it won’t ever get as bad as Zero Sum demands it will get, we went though similar inflationary events like two world wars. We have a absurd number of mechanisms in place he hasn’t ever seen put into motion. Also his plan of moving to a desolate island doesn’t involve women. He never mentions women, just a sausage fest of guys being in isolation. That’s basically a prison without walls. It seem the two jail birds of the forum have been institutionalized into accepting the idea of living in duress and sexless poverty, just so long as the walls go away. Not even the mention of a shared whore everyone bangs in a biker gang sort of set up, just sexless men in misery away from society. That’s like a prison island tax payers don’t have to pay for, so I support them going, just everyone should pitch in and buy them a blowup doll to share or else they might start poking one another. Just a observation.



More like total economic deflation and then collapse. There's a good chance we will have World War III assuming there are any survivors from the plague.

There will be women eventually, right now I'm more focused on survival rather than pussy. I like pussy but right now there are more pressing events.

As things get better pussy will become a priority again.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Tab » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:30 pm

Wow, I'm sure those post-apocalypse Grrls will be so relieved that you haven't entirely forgotten them. I bet they'll just be counting the days. "Have his priorities changed yet..?" They'll ask as they sit around the campfire carving hunks off the ex-walmart sales-assistant they caught last Tuesday. "Have they..?" Then they'll giggle. If that's still a thing. #-o
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:32 pm

Tab wrote:Wow, I'm sure those post-apocalypse Grrls will be so relieved that you haven't entirely forgotten them. I bet they'll just be counting the days. "Have his priorities changed yet..?" They'll ask as they sit around the campfire carving hunks off the ex-walmart sales-assistant they caught the day before. "Have they..?"


:lol:

Honestly I don't care about what women think, only what they provide.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Tab » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:36 pm

They'll provide you with a clip round the ear and a look that'll turn your sperm green for a month. That's what they'll provide.

You sound like a mini-version of Trump.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:48 pm

Tab wrote:They'll provide you with a clip round the ear and a look that'll turn your sperm green for a month. That's what they'll provide.

You sound like a mini-version of Trump.


:lol: I'm not a Trump supporter, I just don't give a shit about what women think.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Tab » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:59 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Tab wrote:They'll provide you with a clip round the ear and a look that'll turn your sperm green for a month. That's what they'll provide.

You sound like a mini-version of Trump.


:lol: I'm not a Trump supporter, I just don't give a shit about what women think.


Something that Trump would no doubt support however. You can pick up his banner when he croaks from corona. Grab all those apocalypse women by the pussy. Fuck Yeah. USA USA etc. Good job.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Meno_ » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:07 pm

Germany has promised $600 billion to help businesses and individuals. British leaders said they would throw more than $420 billion at the crisis. The European Union promised hundreds of billions to support member states. Leaders in France, Spain, Italy and dozens of other nations have pledged to spend whatever is needed to meet the moment.

To put that in context — and to give a sense of the scale of the current crisis — the United States appropriated about $200 billion in today’s money for the Marshall Plan to help rebuild Europe after World War II.

But even as governments and central banks around the world promised to use all the fiscal and monetary policy instruments in their arsenal to prevent an economic collapse, the ripple effects of closing borders, locking down entire nations and telling people to stay in their homes continued to swell.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:41 pm

turd wrote:And please keep the economic talk Dasein Free, we need the focus on real stuff and not Iambigious’ refusal to fix his ideas and make them coherent by reading the Sanmati Tarka, which was written precisely to explain to guys like Iambigious why they make no sense, and why it isn’t worth it to anyone to debate them. The text is all Iambigious needs, nobody will debate him until he reads it and makes obviously adjustments, and nobody will explain why, just stop hugging and puffing like a corona patient and read the fucking book. Just read it, just fucking read it, it literally is aimed at you. It mahout as well be called The Iambigious Sutra. Shut up.... no shut up, go fucking read it.... stop. Just read it. Shut up, stop typing, just fucking read it, I left the link for you a few updates back.


In 25 words or less convince me how the text convinced you that it would convince me to abandon dasein in the is/ought world, in favor of whatever self-righteous bullshit that you are peddling here.

And, sure, run it by Satyr, Joker and Tab first.

Well, unless of course you're right.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby MagsJ » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:42 pm

About time the West pooled together en masse.. we’ve given, probably, trillions in aid to other countries over the last few decades, so time to give aid to ourselves.. we’ve worked for it and earned it, and now we need it, as too many of our businesses have folded and gone into receivership and families reduced to poverty.. because our governments were mainly supporting foreign affairs at the expense of Home business.

Is this the start of a new beginning/a new (business) affair/a beautiful tryst?
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby promethean75 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:06 pm

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:06 pm

Here we go again...

So far, the federal government has done little to help working people. On Friday, President Trump made a show of waiving the interest on federal student loans, but failed to note that monthly payments won’t be reduced. On Saturday, the House of Representatives passed a coronavirus bill that expands paid sick leave but exempts so many large corporations and small businesses that only 20 percent of the American work force will be covered. There is as yet no compensation for wage earners remotely analogous to the $1.5 trillion in short-term loans promised by the Federal Reserve, despite the fact that three million people are expected to lose their jobs before June. Ordinary Americans foresee a cruel repetition of the financial crisis, when banks and automakers became the beneficiaries of “corporate socialism.” NYT

They didn't call it a political economy for nothing.

On the other hand...

Contrast these moves with those in France, where the president vowed to suspend all rents, electricity, gas and heating bills throughout the coronavirus crisis. The Irish government has promised to commit most of its stimulus package of 3.1 billion euros (around $3.4 billion) to benefit sick and unemployed workers, not corporations, and ​Danish lawmakers will pay up to 75 percent of some private-sector employees’ salaries to prevent layoffs. South Korea is providing largely free coronavirus testing, regardless of immigration status.

Or, you can just ask yourself, "What would Ayn Rand do?" :wink:

Wait a minute...

Just out of curiosity, what would any Libertarians and Objectivists here recommend as the most rational policies?
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:56 pm

Tab wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Tab wrote:They'll provide you with a clip round the ear and a look that'll turn your sperm green for a month. That's what they'll provide.

You sound like a mini-version of Trump.


:lol: I'm not a Trump supporter, I just don't give a shit about what women think.


Something that Trump would no doubt support however. You can pick up his banner when he croaks from corona. Grab all those apocalypse women by the pussy. Fuck Yeah. USA USA etc. Good job.



I'm not selfish or greedy, I'll just be grabbing one single woman by the pussy and afterwards her pussy will belong to me.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:01 pm

promethean75 wrote:Come with me if you want to live


Coronavirus edition.

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:29 pm

Coronavirus Edition:



I'm ready for fun......

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:31 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
I'm not selfish or greedy, I'll just be grabbing one single woman by the pussy and afterwards her pussy will belong to me.


Of course he's just paraphrasing Mr. Reasonable paraphrasing Satyr paraphrasing Donald Trump.

Well, at least until they infected. :wink:
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
I'm not selfish or greedy, I'll just be grabbing one single woman by the pussy and afterwards her pussy will belong to me.


Of course he's just paraphrasing Mr. Reasonable paraphrasing Satyr paraphrasing Donald Trump.

Well, at least until they infected. :wink:



There will be at least one woman out there who isn't infected for the repopulation efforts, well hopefully there will be anyways. :lol:
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby promethean75 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:55 pm

I have decided to contract the virus so that I'll develop antibodies to protect me from future infection... so long as the covid 19 doesn't mutate... in which case I'll have to contract it again, etc.

In the next several days I'll be going to places where I can be in the closest possible proximity to as many people as possible. The disco club, a hockey game, the mall, a premier movie, and downtown where I'll ride in elevators for hours. I will also enter the bathrooms of these facilities and rub my face on the sinks. Immediately after opening doors I will pick my nose. I will use big bills so that I get many small bills in change. Money is an excellent medium through which to contract the virus. Finally, when I shower I'll wear gloves so my hands don't get washed.

Wish me luck.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:03 am

promethean75 wrote:I have decided to contract the virus so that I'll develop antibodies to protect me from future infection... so long as the covid 19 doesn't mutate... in which case I'll have to contract it again, etc.

In the next several days I'll be going to places where I can be in the closest possible proximity to as many people as possible. The disco club, a hockey game, the mall, a premier movie, and downtown where I'll ride in elevators for hours. I will also enter the bathrooms of these facilities and rub my face on the sinks. Immediately after opening doors I will pick my nose. I will use big bills so that I get many small bills in change. Money is an excellent medium through which to contract the virus. Finally, when I shower I'll wear gloves so my hands don't get washed.

Wish me luck.


Be careful that you don't end up like this guy.........

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentu ... index.html

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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Anomaleigh » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:02 am

We've had relative stability in the west for 75 years.

There have been challenges to that stability, like 9/11, the so called great recession, and now this.

Challenges come in many forms, they're not just political and economic, they're medical too.

I think a lot of the hope and idealism we had during the mid-late 20th century is gradually giving way to doubt and pessimism.

History didn't end in 91 with the collapse of the USSR and the ascendency of so called liberal democracy like some optimists thought it might, it goes on.

Periods of instability always followed periods of stability, and they probably always will.

Civilization is unsustainable.

While some civilizations may be more sustainable than others, nothing is forever sustainable.

There will always be need for minor, moderate, and major reforms.

To not just evolve, but to evolve in an entirely different direction.

Sometimes change means progress, sometimes it means a last-ditch-effort to prevent things from regressing further.

If history, and prehistory have taught us anything, it's that we can't bank on progress, it's not an inevitability.

Eventually some of these challenges will force us to make drastic changes.

Only time will tell if this crisis is one of them.

We have a medical paradigm.

That paradigm could be called allopathy, mainstream or scientific medicine.

This medical paradigm is the only valid paradigm to those who wholeheartedly believe in it, much like the works of Aristotle, Ptolemy, Hippocrates and Galen stood largely unchallenged in the west for over a millennium.

We primarily treat colds and flues with antibiotics, high-tech drugs, social distancing, vaccines and washing because we think germs are the primary culprit, but others, like Bechamp, Louis Pasteur's rival, thought the terrain was the primary culprit, and it may be that humanity still has a great deal to learn about the very fundamentals of health, even the methodology for how we learn, but sometimes it can be difficult to expand our knowledge into one domain of learning, without neglecting other domains.

We have a way of life.

That way of life has by-products, like diabetes, heart disease, obesity, and pollution.

Interestingly both China, and northern Italy, the Po valley, where this germ seems to be most prevalent, are very polluted places, and this seems to be a raspatory illness.

So far our life expectancy seems to have been rising in most of the developed and developing world.

Is that something we can count on into the distant future?

Time will tell.

If this all isn't just hype, if the threat is very real, will we continue to turn to vaccines and the like to save us?

Will they save us?

Or will they fail?

And if they fail, will it compel people to look into alternatives, or will most stay the course, even doubling or tripling down on mainstream medicine and medical martial law?

Do we just need a hell of a lot more of the status quo, or something else entirely?

Of course the last place we can look to for real change is the political, economic and intellectual establishment, and those who've most benefitted from it.

They will only offer more of the same.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Tab » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:58 am

Good luck Prom, if I'd been younger I would probably do the same. We're all going to get it anyway tbh. so taking the bull by the horns is not a bad thing.

As anomaleigh says, if there is anything good to come from this the virus it is that it is a leveller, a clear signal that people are people of whatever race, creed or colour, and if the powers that be don't take real care in preserving a modicum of wealth-blindness in the treatment of their populations and the maintainance of the economy at all levels... a clear red flag to everyone.

Who knows, when the dust clears, maybe the world will be a fairer place. Yeah yeah I know, stupid optimism. But hey, I'm stupid. :D
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Anomaleigh » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:31 pm

Well, every year, I think something like 1% of the population dies anyway, and 1% are born, so in the US, about 3 million people die a year, most of them old and chronically ill.

If the worst estimates of corona are true, then it'll be something like an additional 1%, an extra 3 million, most of them old and chronically ill, they'll get corona and die a little earlier than they would have.

But are they just shooting in the dark?

It's very possible this virus has been around for thousands of years, that this is just the first time it's been successfully identified.

How do they know how many people have been infected?

Have they thoroughly screened everyone?

No, they've only screened thousands of people, out of 8 billion.

It's very possible this virus has already infected hundreds of millions or even billions of people, that the vast majority of people experience no symptoms, even the vast majority of old and chronically ill people, that we've already seen the worst this virus can do.

So why isn't the media and the WHO exploring these very real possibilities.

Is there a sinister agenda at play?

A plan for an authoritarian take over and population reduction?

Or is it more simply paranoia coupled with opportunities for government, media and pharma and inside traders to make billions?

Only time will tell for sure.

This may all very well be hype, like Y2K in 99.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby iambiguous » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:47 pm

In a Milestone, China Reports Zero New Local Infections NYT headline

How important is this?

For one thing, if China can sustain this to the point that their economy is up and running again, it will almost certainly trigger the same sort of "draconian" reactions to the virus in other nations around the globe. Impose strict punishments on those who do not stay in their homes until the curve is flattened and new cases are at a minimal.

Then [seemingly] it comes down to two things:

1] after the Chinese go about the business of "returning to normal" will that cause the virus to reemerge?
2] will the virus come in "waves" --- ballooning once again in the Fall for example.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Meno_ » Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:59 pm

iambiguous wrote:In a Milestone, China Reports Zero New Local Infections NYT headline

How important is this?

For one thing, if China can sustain this to the point that their economy is up and running again, it will almost certainly trigger the same sort of "draconian" reactions to the virus in other nations around the globe. Impose strict punishments on those who do not stay in their homes until the curve is flattened and new cases are at a minimal.

Then [seemingly] it comes down to two things:

1] after the Chinese go about the business of "returning to normal" will that cause the virus to reemerge?
2] will the virus come in "waves" --- ballooning once again in the Fall for example.



More than likely. The 'Spanish flue went down exactly the same way, it originated in Kansas, it was transported by WW1 soldiers heading to the European theatre, then mutated, and then it was spread again, and so on.
The casualties were upwards of 50 million worldwide.
Now the question that comes to my mind, is, could the horrible 'super bug' having 'learned' from the past, is using immuno-suppressive evolution, to over come the acquisition of newer adaptable antiviral agents, as did the HIV. Virus was able to do?

Even now there is no vaccine, after 40 years of mutation, and that did not go airborne !




{The HIV connection did not leave out notice by the Chinese }:

China Names HIV Drugs in Treatment Plan for New Virus




China Racing to Find Cure for Coronavirus

China is using AbbVie Inc’s HIV drugs as an ad-hoc treatment for pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus while the global search for a cure continues.

The Beijing branch of China’s National Health Commission said that a combination of lopinavir and ritonavir, sold under the brand name Kaletra by AbbVie, is part of its latest treatment plan for patients infected by the virus, which has killed at least 56 people in China and sickened more than 2,000 worldwide.

The NHC said that while there is not yet any effective anti-viral drug, it recommends patients are given two lopinavir and ritonavir tablets twice a day and a dose of alpha-interpheron through nebulization twice daily.



Medical journal Lancet said on Friday that a clinical trial is under way using ritonavir and lopinavir to treat cases of the new coronavirus. Meanwhile, China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention will start developing a vaccine, according to the Global Times.

Wang Guangfa, a respiratory expert at Peking University First Hospital in Beijing who was infected by the virus after visiting Wuhan to inspect to coronavirus patients, told China News Week earlier this week that his doctor recommended he take the HIV drugs to fight the new virus and they worked on him.
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Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Postby Tab » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:57 pm

Now the question that comes to my mind, is, could the horrible 'super bug' having 'learned' from the past, is using immuno-suppressive evolution, to over come the acquisition of newer adaptable antiviral agents, as did the HIV. Virus was able to do?


No. Corona viruses and retroviruses like aids are different beasties.

medicine net wrote:There are many technical differences between viruses and retroviruses. But generally, the main difference between the two is how they replicate within a host cell. The key steps that differentiate retroviruses from viruses are reverse transcription and genome integration.

Reverse transcription. HIV uses its reverse transcriptase enzyme to turn its RNA genetic material into DNA. This makes it compatible with the host cell’s genetic material, which is vital for the next step of the life cycle.

Genome integration. The newly synthesized viral DNA travels to the cell’s control center, the nucleus. Here, a special viral enzyme called integrase is used to insert the viral DNA into the host cell’s DNA.


Different species of disease don't actively learn from each other any more than we would learn to digest our food better by watching cows. Bacteria pass plasmids to each other, conferring advantages, but viruses, much smaller and simpler, don't have the means to do so, they rely on mutation and selection alone.
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