## Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Discussion of the recent unfolding of history.

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Now the question that comes to my mind, is, could the horrible 'super bug' having 'learned' from the past, is using immuno-suppressive evolution, to over come the acquisition of newer adaptable antiviral agents, as did the HIV. Virus was able to do?

No. Corona viruses and retroviruses like aids are different beasties.

medicine net wrote:There are many technical differences between viruses and retroviruses. But generally, the main difference between the two is how they replicate within a host cell. The key steps that differentiate retroviruses from viruses are reverse transcription and genome integration.

Reverse transcription. HIV uses its reverse transcriptase enzyme to turn its RNA genetic material into DNA. This makes it compatible with the host cell’s genetic material, which is vital for the next step of the life cycle.

Genome integration. The newly synthesized viral DNA travels to the cell’s control center, the nucleus. Here, a special viral enzyme called integrase is used to insert the viral DNA into the host cell’s DNA.

Disfferent species of disease don't actively learn from each other any more than we would learn to digest our food better by watching cows. Bacteria pass plasmids to each other, conferring advantages, but viruses, much smaller and simpler, don't have the means to do so, they rely on mutation and selection alone.

But then , is not the way learning is processed, differ in kind, yet how could viruses 'learn' definitively, as the current focus on determenitive, non transcendent modes exclude their negation? After all, negation are the primal facial qualifiers of any standard study.

Such exclusions regress studies to primary modalities .

Supposing viruses have no primordial modalities consistent with interactive suppressive agents, may be a rather strong statement , reinforcing such a biased supposition? What the Chinese are implying, that HIV suppression by current drugs , may at least be worth a try, as Trump is seeking the same with malaria viral vaccine?

Meaning: it still may be a bio-weapon, yet if sustained, the Chinese may still save face by implying that it really was non intentional, and accidental. No World Court dare hold them to the opposite, and the worst case that could be held to, that it is not really beneficial to try the Chinese to the verity of which scenario befits their counter claim.
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learning microscopically, differs from evolutionary adapted learning, by a measure that is well described by those acquainted in it in the philosophy of mind. It has always been a behavior/an intrinsic modality; and it is fairly recent that Ayer/ e.g. al has shifted focus to behavioral jumps, via procedural schematics .
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Which leads me to my pet insistence on a partially differentiated functional approach: to what makes it a primordial excercise to assume a genus related excercise on any level of learning?
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Not sure that viruses read philosophy tbh.

'Learning' is an inappropriate word really. Imagine a virus is like a car engine in a junkyard. Every day random car engine parts rain down from the sky. Once in a bazillion collisions the right part falls in just the right place with just the right alignment with just the right force to click in, and zoooom, engine upgrade achieved.

Is that 'learning'..?

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Tab wrote:Not sure that viruses read philosophy tbh.

'Learning' is an inappropriate word really. Imagine a virus is like a car engine in a junkyard. Every day random car engine parts rain down from the sky. Once in a bazillion collisions the right part falls in just the right place with just the right alignment with just the right force to click in, and zoooom, engine upgrade achieved.

Is that 'learning'..?

Can be if Nietzche and the rest of the probable theoretical relativist are on point.
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Well okay then. [Backs slowly out of the room].

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Tab wrote:Well okay then. [Backs slowly out of the room].

Ok, Tab, no contest, or, wait and see?
After all , we may be unto something here.
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Confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus exceeded 300,000 worldwide, according to the Johns Hopkins tracker on Saturday, and 20,000 in the United States, according to a Washington Post count, as states ramp up restrictions on their citizens’ movements.
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Italy
59,138 total cases
new cases 5,560
total deaths: 5,476

USA
35,746 total cases
new cases: 11,539
total deaths 392

America, do the math.

You know, with Trump in the Oval Office.

And then this part:

"Mr. Cuomo said that 18- to 49-year-olds made up more than half of the state’s 15,000 cases."

"Mr. Cuomo also said that FEMA would erect four hospitals inside the Jacob K. Javits Center in Midtown Manhattan."

Wow. I had been to the Javits Center a number of times as a buyer for a company that sent me to conventions there. The place is huge.
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Meno_ wrote:Confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus exceeded 300,000 worldwide, according to the Johns Hopkins tracker on Saturday, and 20,000 in the United States, according to a Washington Post count, as states ramp up restrictions on their citizens’ movements.

Make that 35,746 cases in the US. 11,539 new ones in past 24 hours.
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MagsJ wrote:About time the West pooled together en masse.. we’ve given, probably, trillions in aid to other countries over the last few decades, so time to give aid to ourselves.. we’ve worked for it and earned it, and now we need it, as too many of our businesses have folded and gone into receivership and families reduced to poverty.. because our governments were mainly supporting foreign affairs at the expense of Home business.

Is this the start of a new beginning/a new (business) affair/a beautiful tryst?

The Guardian - Back to home

7,500 former medics to rejoin NHS, Hancock says, as death toll rises across the country

How do Italy and the UK compare?

London doctor and MP says NHS staff will face choice of who to save

See all our coronavirus coverage

Mon 23 Mar 2020 14.14 EDT

Key events

14:11 EDT

Early evening summary

Boris Johnson has been chairing a meeting of the government’s Cobra emergency committee, amid growing speculation that he is poised to announce tougher social distancing measures designed to keep people largely in their homes. He is due to make an announcement tonight at 8.30pm. Labour is saying it would back measures to “force” people to stay at home. (See 5.15pm.) And Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, has complained that people are still going to work to do jobs that are not essential. (See 1.12pm.) A week ago, when Johnson first announced a dramatic escalation of social distancing, he said people should work from home where possible. Now increasingly ministers want people to stay at home unless their work is essential.

The number of coronavirus patients in the UK who have died has risen to 335. That is a six-fold increase on this time last week. (See 5.52pm.)

Emergency legislation giving ministers sweeping powers to ban gatherings and forcibly quarantine suspected coronavirus patients will be reviewed every six months, Downing Street has announced. Opening the debate on the coronavirus bill, Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said he thought that some of the emergency powers in it would never be needed. The bill, which has cross-party support, is due to clear all its Commons stages this evening. There were fewer MPs than normal in the chamber for the debate, and the ones who were there made an effort to keep apart.

Hancock has told MPs that more than 7,500 former clinicians have answered his call to return to the NHS to help out during the coronavirus outbreak. (See 4.26pm.)

Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised, at least temporarily, after the government suspended rail franchise agreements to avoid train companies collapsing because of the coronavirus.

Caravan parks and campsites in Wales are being closed to visitors from today, Mark Drakeford, the Welsh first minister, has announced. (See 4.49pm.)

The government has asked manufacturers including Airbus, Rolls-Royce, Nissan and JCB to help produce up to 30,000 ventilators in as little as two weeks, amid concern that the 8,175 the NHS has available will not be enough to treat a surge in Covid-19 patients.

Transport for London (TfL) has faced criticism after social media users in London published photographs of packed tube trains on the Monday morning commute, at a time when the government is urging the public to practise social and physical distancing.

Up to 1 million Britons on holiday or on business trips abroad have been asked to return to the UK immediately by the Foreign Office, as they may not be able to get commercial flights within days.

In updated advice, the FCO said British citizens abroad who are resident in the UK should make urgent plans to cut short holidays and other trips and come back home straight away.

Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, said:

We are strongly urging UK travellers overseas to return home now where and while there are still commercial routes to do so. Around the world, more airlines are suspending flights and more airports are closing, some without any notice.

Where commercial routes don’t exist, our staff are working round the clock to give advice and support to UK nationals. If you are on holiday abroad the time to come home is now while you still can.

All non-essential businesses in Northern Ireland are being urged to close immediately.

Northern Ireland’s first minister Arlene Foster has said there will be a “wave of deaths” in Northern Ireland if people do not obey social distancing rules as the coronavirus will spread.

Her deputy Michelle O’’Neill urged the public to understand that “this is not a holiday, this is an emergency”.

On Monday 20 new cases of coronavirus were confirmed in Northern Ireland, bringing the total to 148. Two people have died.

High Street chemist giant Boots has just confirmed to The Guardian that it will be slimming down its wider retail offer to focus its efforts on “supplying communities with the healthcare, pharmacy and essential items that they need” in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.

From Tuesday, thousands of staff working on beauty counters such as No7, Liz Earle, Benefit, Fenty and fragrance will not be required to go to work in Boots’s 2,500 stores across the UK. However, they will be given the option of switching to other roles in store if they so wish.

In line with restrictions on physical distancing, Boots Opticians and Hearingcare stores across the UK will close, although a fraction will remain open to help those with “essential eye and hearing care needs”. These can be viewed tomorrow here.

Seb James, managing director of Boots UK, said:

Boots has a unique role to play during this time, and our duty and focus is to ensure that pharmacy, healthcare and a wide range of the essential products that we sell are available to those who need them.

I want to thank the teams for their outstanding dedication in keeping our pharmacies and stores open. Boots continues to be a place of trust for those who need us.

In its struggle to meet shoppers’ demands for essentials such as hand sanitiser and family medication, the retailer has warned staff that its warehouses only contain enough supply of paracetamol for another week and a half and that stocks could be depleted by the end of next week.

Number of UK patients who have died rises to 335

As of 9am on 23 March, a total of 83,945 people in the UK have been tested for Covid-19: 77,295 negative. 6,650 positive.

As of 1pm, 335 patients who tested positive have sadly died.

UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

As of 9am on 23 March, a total of 83,945 have been tested:

77,295 negative.
6,650 positive.

As of 1pm, 335 patients who tested positive for coronavirus have sadly died.

A new campaign between the World Health Organisation (WHO) and Fifa has been launched to “pass the message to kick out coronavirus”.

One of the players participating is Liverpool goalkeeper, Alisson Becker, who is also a WHO ambassador. He said:

I know in these tough times everyone has changed their lives - staying home, not going out. In my case, I am not able to be with my colleagues, with my teammates, to do what I love.

Health comes first in this moment. It is time, like in football, for teamwork - everybody doing their own job, that includes to be safe and at home, and washing hands properly, keeping distance from people.

We need now to work as a team.

P

Road safety charity, Brake, is warning drivers to steer clear of risky rural roads unless essential, so that they don’t increase the burden on the NHS by being involved in a fatal or serious crash.

The warning comes after people across the UK flocked to the countryside over the weekend, increasing traffic levels on the roads which carry the most risk of death and serious injury.

To avoid any extra burden on the NHS, Brake is warning people not to travel unless absolutely essential and urging those that do have to travel to stay well within the speed limit and be aware of unexpected hazards and other road users at all times.

Joshua Harris, director of campaigns for Brake, said:

Unless absolutely essential, we urge everyone to stop driving on our risky rural roads to the countryside - you are putting yourself at increased risk of being killed or injured in a road crash and of adding to the burden on our NHS.

We would advise everyone to stay at home and stay safe, but if you absolutely must travel, stay well within the speed limit and be aware of unexpected hazards at all times.

We need to stop all non-essential travel to support our incredible emergency services. For those who need to drive, follow our advice to help minimise the chance of a crash

Charities have stepped up calls for an urgent emergency financial aid package to bail out voluntary organisations struggling to maintain services as billions of pounds in fundraising income dries up.

Hospices, social care providers, refuges, homelessness services, and cancer and other medical research charities are among those preparing to reduce services after coronavirus bans on social gatherings wiped out donated income for fundraising events.

The National Council for Voluntary Organisations (NCVO) estimates that charities will lose around £4.3 billion over the next 12 weeks as a result of spring and summer events like the London marathon being cancelled. Retail income is also under threat if high street charity shops are forced to close.

Over 100 MPs have signed a letter calling on ministers to provide an emergency injection of cash to keep charities afloat.

Heidi Travis, chief executive of Sue Ryder, said the “devastating” financial impact of coronavirus had put vital palliative care services provided by the charity at risk, even as it was preparing to care for additional patients so that the NHS could free up beds as Covid-19 spreads.

As a charity with over 1,000 doctors and nurses providing compassionate, expert care for people going through the most difficult times of their lives, we know that we are needed now more than ever. This is a plea and no less. Without immediate funding from the government the critical end of life care that Sue Ryder provides to thousands of families across the UK every year will cease.

Children’s cancer support charity CLIC Sargent, which relies on donations and fundraised money for 100% of its annual income, said it had seen a 40% fall in donations over the past three weeks and was currently projecting a 50% loss in turnover.

Rachel Kirby-Rider, CLIC’s director of income told the Guardian:

It’s emotionally difficult for all of our families at the moment and they are incredibly vulnerable. We need to protect that service to them. Without us those families won’t get support. The charity sector is being forgotten, yet the expectation is that we are key workers and will play a key role in the post-Covid 19 world. Yet we have not been given any financial support from the government.

The NCVO has called for a three point support package:

Emergency funding for frontline charities and volunteers supporting the response to the coronavirus crisis, especially where they are alleviating pressure on the health service or providing support to people suffering from the economic and social impact of coronavirus.

A ‘stabilisation fund’ for all charities to help them stay afloat, pay staff and continue operating during the course of the pandemic.

Confirmation that charities should be eligible for similar business interruption measures announced by the Chancellor for businesses

NCVO chief executive Karl Wilding, said:

I’m hearing from charities whose income has disappeared overnight but who still have to run services for their communities. Many of them have very little emergency cash to tide them over, and even those that do will run out in a matter of weeks.

In his speech Labour’s Jonathan Ashworth said the government should take action to stop profiteering during the coronavirus crisis. Earlier, during the business statement, his Labour colleague Liam Byrne gave a striking example. He said a chemist in his constituency had increased the price of children’s medicine by ten-fold. Byrne said, since he first raised this case, he had been flooded by other examples of shops doubling, trebling or quadrupling prices. He said that two thirds of American states had powers to impose price caps in emergencies and that the government should introduce similar powers here.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, told Byrne that profiteering of this kind was “extremely disagreeable” and that in the past, during some periods, it had been illegal. He said he would pass Byrne’s point on to ministerial colleagues.

According to the Ministry of Defence, 250 MoD personnel are now deployed helping the civil authorities with the coronavirus response. In total 20,000 service personnel are on standby to join in.

Some 150 servicemen and women have today started training so that they can start driving oxygen tankers if required to help the NHS. And 50 servicemen and women have started to help the NHS distribute personal protective equipment.

Water companies are asking people to stay at home for the good of their health rather than visit popular water company sites like reservoirs, Water UK has said.

To help the public keep themselves, their families and their communities protected from the spread of Covid-19, water companies are closing most of their leisure facilities.

These include normally busy places like sailing centres, bird-watching hides, wildlife havens and water parks, along with the car parks, cafes and toilets linked to them.

A limited number of sites will remain partially open, but they will have strict physical distancing rules enforced by on-site staff and their opening will be reviewed on a daily basis.

Labour's Jonathan Ashworth says government should now force people to stay at home

In the Commons Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, is speaking now in the debate on the coronavirus bill on behalf of Labour. Earlier Labour said it wanted the government to enforce social distancing. (See 12.15pm.) Ashworth said the statistics suggest that the coronavirus outbreak in the UK is now worse than it was in Spain and France when they announced a “lockdown” approach. He went on:

I would say that we as Her Majesty’s loyal opposition actually do now call on the government to move to enforce social distancing and greater social and greater social protections as a matter of urgency.

Ashworth also said he thought the greatest problem facing people being made to stay at home was not boredom but economic hardship. He said:

I entirely agree ... if we are going to ask people, or force people, to stay at home - we would support the government if it took that action, I think the government do need to take that action - then we also need to provide people with the economic security that they rightly deserve.

COBRA meeting is happening at 5pm so there won’t be PM press conference - but still expect to hear from Boris Johnson later on tonight

Boris Johnson has spoken to the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, today about coronavirus. A Downing Street spokesman said:

The prime minister and the president agreed on the wider need for ongoing international cooperation, particularly through the G20, to share expertise, support the global economic system and strengthen the ability of vulnerable countries to tackle the virus.

The prime minister stressed the need to support the WHO’s appeal and support vaccine development through the coalition for epidemic preparedness innovations.

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The new South Korean model treatment method, which reduced new infections dramatically, now, sought internationally from various countries.
Perhaps Perhaps we are at The edge of how to stop it.
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Thnx for posting these Meno.

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Tab wrote:Thnx for posting these Meno.

You're welcome, Tab

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WHO spokeswoman Dr. Margaret Harris said overnight reporting showed 85% of the new cases are being reported in Europe and the United States. On Monday, WHO counted more than 334,000 total cases globally. Harris said the outbreak is accelerating rapidly and the case numbers obtained overnight "will put that up considerably.” The Hopkins dashboard had almost 400,000 early Tuesday.

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Maia, relay this message to the golden turd if you will, please dear. Tell him that after an extensive reading of Tacitus and the Sanmati-tarka, I was suddenly struck with an idea that seemed preposterous at first... but after some tinkering in my garage, I was actually able to make it work. I took a toaster over, vacuum cleaner motor, some surgical tubes, and the radiation cell from a microwave, and constructed a vitamin D vaporizer that's fueled by burning pages from Nietzsche books. With the wanderer and his shadow I was able to produce nearly 21 grams of vitamin D. The powder is then converted to a gas and then condensed into a vapor to be delivered directly to the lungs via a WW2 british style royal army gas mask contraption I built from parts I got at the surplus store. The only glitch that has to be worked out is that it only works for Catholics. I don't know why, but I'm troubleshooting it now.
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promethean75 wrote:Maia, relay this message to the golden turd if you will, please dear. Tell him that after an extensive reading of Tacitus and the Sanmati-tarka, I was suddenly struck with an idea that seemed preposterous at first... but after some tinkering in my garage, I was actually able to make it work. I took a toaster over, vacuum cleaner motor, some surgical tubes, and the radiation cell from a microwave, and constructed a vitamin D vaporizer that's fueled by burning pages from Nietzsche books. With the wanderer and his shadow I was able to produce nearly 21 grams of vitamin D. The powder is then converted to a gas and then condensed into a vapor to be delivered directly to the lungs via a WW2 british style royal army gas mask contraption I built from parts I got at the surplus store. The only glitch that has to be worked out is that it only works for Catholics. I don't know why, but I'm troubleshooting it now.

That paragraph sounds more like Turd than even Turd himself.
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There's some real...characters, on this forum.
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Lol. Nice one prom. I'm sure my old copy of thus spake zarathrustra will be good for a couple of grammes of d3. Not sure what I'll use for a doorstop once it's gone though.

Well today I start my career as an online teacher. With our university closed for X amount of time, we're all trying to set up web pages to interact with our students, fun because few of us are technically accomplished and the IT department is all working from home and were never any good anyway.

Oh well, education is sacred as they say.

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Promethean's a funny guy.
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Update 782

Lots of good
news coming out. US is doing a fairly good job at managing not just Corona but also the economic damage to Corona.

Before I
get to the positives some philosophical clarity of position: I’m not a Millennialist like Zero Sum who has absolute faith in a coming collapse and societal restructuring along concepts like Justice and Utopia. I’m just a Catholic who has about 2,000 years
knowledge of such groups occasionally breaking off awaiting with certitude the apocalypse. His mindset is fairly identical to St. Bede’s writings of the plagues when people would write with wonder about the end times and always had a clever refuge to wait
out the plague- usually in a mosquito infested swamp way out of the way, and they would build a monastery there. It’s a rather immature strategic outlook, not a full network system of logical binaries able to crunch our varied yet useful data but rather fossilized
stratagems bundled with hope and spiteful expectations against a sinful and wicked world. Zero Sum has more faith than any Pope I know, he quit his job for this plague while a previous Pope used to ride around in a armored car! Just keep this contradiction
in mind whenever he attacks the religious in the future.

The statistics
I’ve seen many of you use here are fundamentally flawed. I know just enough about statistics to know when mathematical models are not applicable, either due to lack of data or terrifyingly perfect data in a situation far beyond reliable empirical data.

Example China
death tolls- I was tracking long before the outbreaks in nursing homes in the west that in China everyone would be infected and die. They didn’t get counted as their cause of death wasn’t investigated. Most bodies didn’t receive autopsies. You died, people
took your body away, you were cremated.

So I know
it is much higher that reported but am hesitant to stick a Bayesian calculation for how high because I can’t tell. Laowhy86 on YouTube was a early researcher into the 21 million lower end cellphones in China going dead. Lots of variables in this and that’s
only one economic low end class of people. A bunch of statistical methods can clean some of it up but when I look them at the bundle of classes of other people and try to balance variable identification and mitigation, the elimitive remains are completely
crushed by the incompetence of the Chinese Government to effectively pull off a cordon over large cities (they claim not a single PLA soldier was infected. How the fuck do you pull off a quarantine with unmasked troops on the ground doing roadblocks and thermal
checkpoints and not get a fee incidentally infected?) The other issue it the regime in China is intentionally dodgy and opaque. Third everyone is resorting to either face value acceptance of Chinese numbers which as statistically perfect curves that shouldn’t
exist in reality or people are adding statistical filters to Chinese statistical filters to figure out the truth. Add to this the mayhem that we had two different variations of the virus and one is now extinct, very fast spreader…:. But it can come back into
existence anywhere on earth with just a mild mutation on it’s part.

You also
have to factor in China records the cause of death differently from the west. Look into Serpentza’s videos, his wife is a Chinese doctor, he speaks of the practice at a couple of points in his Corona related videos:

What they
do- it isn’t aimed at being sinister, just how they do it, if if you go into a hospital due to say nose cancer, and drown from a nose bleed, your cause of death isn’t Cancer but a Nose Bleed. As a result China has very low statistical rates of disease in general.
People don’t die of AIDS but rather the infections that erupt in the body when you have AIDS. You don’t lose a finger to leprosy but rather a rat bite it off while you slept. That runs statistical mayhem against western methods that identify the root cause.

I would point
out the difference of medical outlook of Ugo Benzi vs Jerome Cardan. Ugo Benzi was the last purely Aristotelian doctor who diagnosed purely off the medival medical literature, and would assert and dispute other doctors diagnosis on purely rhetorical grounds.
I’d strongly recommend looking into his, he sits as the model for what we can expect at the end of Pure Mathematics when we stop making discoveries and rest in time honored certainty. Against this you had the faith of the physician philosopher Jerome Cardan
(he wrote Nietzsche’s Ecce Homo for him a few centuries in advance, was originally Cardan’s autobiography). He accepted the renaissance medical theory of predicting astrological fate with so much certainty that he waited out the year of his prescribed faith
in resigned gloom, and when it passed shook it off and dared to ask why it failed. He went back to the elements of his faith that crossed with the impulse to orient to things and needing to know their outcome and laid the foundations of modern statistics.
In too many cases the members of this forum resemble at best Ugo Benzi citing with certainty the Hegelian canon. You’ll absolutely refute the Christian and Buddhist end time canons but clearly accept the Marxist, Nietzschean and Anarchist writings with absolute
certainty. A president, any president in a plague in 30 years is only out to claim more power in a quarantine, right? Doesn’t matter who they are or what the situation is. Many will impulsively claim it isn’t even a real plague, just a hoax. Others will take
a middle ground saying it is real but is still exploited as a power grab. Others will dispute such paranoia off hand as it is clearly crazy talk and will take the sides of those who speak the patterns of rationalization they’ve long since have come to accept
as reasonable and authoritative.

for any of the three, all three lead back to Ugo. I’m asking for more Jerome Cardan, questioning the very principles of their thought. Use the powers of philosophy to figure out a new and needed outlook or a reasonable tactic that doesn’t strand themselves
on Sausage Fest Island.

As to Donald
Trump’s economic handling, he had done a fantastic job. The only time we’ve ever been able to take out spontaneous mass loans certain to inflate the currency and have wall street pause and positively react as if something real was going on in the economy-
ain’t shit going on in the economy right now, everything is closed- but the stock market is reacting AS IF things are happening, is during a major war. We are facing a debt in proportion to WW2 or the Civil War, and they used quasi-command economies. Trump
isn’t even doing that. Hasn’t Nationalized companies or drafted anyone into industry yet, but everyone is reacting IRRATIONALLY to it. Their arguments are arguments that fit his agenda. Should we shut down all the economy or some of it? People will scream
they are pro or anti trump and will argue both sides, but these are sides Trump has flirted with and must flirt with- it is precisely what moves the stock market up and down. He doesn’t offer any financial clarity other than large stimulus, a quick recovery
and a quick return to the workforce contradicted by countless unknowns he himself will recognize. And the stock market goes up and down incrementally in response to these incremental data bursts. People offer up panic and he responds.

Why? He keeps
capital that by every right should of died decades if not centuries ago still in existence. People trying to invest are observing and trying to outcompete with this. They are throwing money all over the place, but the whole while Trump keeps hammering Chinese
investment while promoting medical companies in the US as the new certainty the US will back with mass buying of product. He is basically a massive wave generator keeping capital that should of fallen into the drain still swirling, converting it for a new
system of investment instead of the drain we usually get when stock markets collapse in the face of disaster. It is in incremental shocks that matter most. Everyone sees danger and he offers just enough hope at that moment to keep people from getting out.
Why? Cause he needs those businesses to run the economy once this crisis is over. If he doesn’t do this we end up with a flatten managerial and CEO class unable to find employment cause their companies when bankrupt, supply lines and support destroyed, etc.
Usually by this point we would be fucked but it hasn’t happened yet. He has given enough assurance to the Austrian, Keysian and London school of Economic investors that mass multi trillion dollar infused economic currency and decline is temporary.

The irrational
crackhead reaction isn’t Trump’s to this crisis but everyone else. If you don’t see him just pulling magician tricks out of his ass incrementally with slight of hand then you are wrong. This is precisely what is going on. That is the most rational course one
can take with the subjective nature of the noumena everyone expects lies in their money. It is a unit of relativity based on good faith, and when that faith is challenged a good magician is the next best option to keep the bulk of people on board. Your opinion
per se doesn’t matter in actual formula, merely that enough people have a opinion and vote with their money and stock- whatever the wacky diversity of positions may be, and Trump manipulates that. The mass of self interested opinions matter, and he incrementally
steers them. It is important to say both a long quarantine and a short quarantine. People play both. If he said just one position, a fixed course then every shock to the system would undermine it, stock market would loose faith and it would be abandoned. Literally
all they do is stand there, analyzing and betting, and our companies are fueled by that, and people are employed by that. So he gives them the seismic shocks they need, as well as a pathway through conditioned responses. Again, utterly beyond Zero Sum’s grasp-
he only sees the shocks and the inevitable end that must come. It doesn’t occur to him long periods of inflation can exist and that it can even be a fairly mutual inflation internationally. This is hardly the worst we’ve encountered.

For health

MedCram:

His new video
explores the benefits of a Tuberculosis Vaccination in defeating other forms of viral infections such as Yellow Fever. It has a unexpected immune response. In the US this vaccine is discouraged but can still be gotten if you claim you are going to a foreign
country, costs between $200 to$100, but in a third world country can cost and dollar or two. I can’t say what it costs in Turkey, it is a Second World Country.

As to the
quarantines in the US and ventilators, MedCram has some nice videos on that too, basically a old fashion polio machine is a giant vacuum that expands the chest through negative pressure, while most ventilators today are positive pressure shooting air in. I’ve
seen YouTube videos of people making their own ventilators out of computer fans taped up shooting tubed air directly into the mouth, but you can’t control the oxygen output this way or the variability medical ventilators have. I’ve built three ventilators
so have enough for myself, but is looking as if the US government has a fairly good handle on mass manufacturing of commercial grade products more reliable than by bag over the head approach (I just copied what I saw in the hospital pics the best I could).

I’m also
looking into growing Russian Dandylions, they produce a lot of Latex in the roots. Good alternate source. Not that I want to make my own gloves but rather just want to demonstrate new methods of mass production are possible.

Also if you
are looking for a place to invest ( Mr. Reasonable / Smears) looking into diagnostic cameras able to do thermography like Flir as well as dermatological grade resolution cameras. Telehealth standards will increasingly take the world away from a Canadian/Swedish
standard of healthcare and towards remote diagnosis of symptoms, and AI will also be involved. I can guarantee you iPhone and Samsung are looking towards to acquiring camera patents that can hit the resolution and coloring of a high end dermatological camera.
I am not clever enough to say which AI companies will get bought up to filter that, but Trump’s new America is the end of Canadian socialism- it will simply put not survive in it’s current form. We are going to see a strong emphasis on elimination of disease
and statistically culling of data of what disorders exist where, what allows pathogens to spread. It used to be just a argument of preventative medicine and right to treatment in socialism vs medical research and quick access to Medical care- people don’t
realize that paradigm is dead. The socialists will be the last to fully grasp this. We are going to be knocking diseases out like what we did with Polio and Small Pox instead of endlessly treating them. The ability to now be able to mass test and track diseases
via temperature and movements done off smartphones is going to kill off the flu strands one by one. Don’t be surprised if we see a decrease in total deaths to flu strands this year, started off strong but I can’t imagine them doing too well right now. Anonymous
data that yields local statistical data, and AI filters and doctors remotely checking disorders will be a massive revolution to medicine. Next time I talk I’ll include some pharmaceutical advancements I am expecting in printing newer kinds of medicine on demand-
Trump’s call for the return of medicinal companies opens up the door to modern restructuring of how we compound medicines, it is all really exciting.

Oh, forgot given the hobos and people who don’t pay taxes here. Anyone who has a valid social security card in the US is eligible for corona stimulus pay if you make less that \$75,000 (roughly that). Since the bill hasn’t passed the IRS hasn’t put out exactly how people who lack a 2019 or 2018 tax return on file will get it, but I used to follow Mnuchin’s wife on Instagram (a little shallow but open to conversation) and know he is fairly reasonable. He talked a few days ago of not knowing exactly how to get checks out to this portion of the population but to keep checking the IRS website. If you lack direct deposit they will send check or debit cards to you. Don’t bother calling, I’ve tried every option on the IRS hotline. In the meantime you can go get food stamps as long as the state your in doesn’t have a work requirement, was waved (certainly temporarily) by a court due to Corona (they were not authorized to do so but don’t see Trump stopping it with the Supreme Court closed, not that he would want to during the outbreak or near aftermath). I’ll let you all know once the Treasury figures out what they will do, just don’t expect this checks in the next three months short of a new congressional bill fast tracking the previous checks. Whole point is to keep people sedentary and at home instead of outdoors and involved in riots and robbing people for food.

I’m going
Kayaking, I have a inflatable Kayak here I’m carrying over a hill tonight, gonna sleep in a hammock and tarp and enjoy my day tomorrow. Back home too many alligators for it (they can bite through a inflatable) but since I’m back in West Virginia taking care
of a friend they are quite rare here and don’t think the police will boat out into the water to get me. I also have a nice massive bicycle I’m considering biking to Pittsburgh and back on the trails if this goes on for long. Can’t tell as the weather in temperate
climates is where most of the testing goes on, tropical climates have less of a statistical outbreak but they also have stronger immune systems and much warmer weather- the weather in Tehran has been roughly 30 degrees colder than New Delhi for example, and
warmer countries can’t in general track shit and have outbreaks of random shit all the time they don’t pay much attention to due to poverty and high mortality. It seems however in warmer climates it is much less virulent, but everyone save Brazil seems obsessed
with lockdowns right now just to be safe. Obviously travelers can bring in the corona virus and it can spread in air conditioning (and travelers have increased access to that), but I’m under stain it can effectively do a neighborhood spread.

I wish you
all the best of luck and quite acting like a bunch of crack head fools. Don’t forget to Shank a Nietzschean in thanks for getting sick, bunch of dirty fuckers blockage running the quarantine thinking they are the ubermensch smoking every drug into their lungs
they can. Really gotta suck to long time smokers of weed and cigarettes to have such shitty lungs during the outbreak.

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### Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

turd wrote:Lots of good
news coming out. US is doing a fairly good job at managing not just Corona but also the economic damage to Corona.

I mean, come on, you'd have to be a fucking idiot to continue reading the thoughts of someone who can actually think himself into making this claim!!

You know, if I do say so myself.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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### Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

Zoot wrote:I'll tell you what. If you're a trumpster, don't even talk to me man. I'll reach through your computer screen and punch you right in the goddamn nose. Think I'm playin y'ont to. [..] Are you a trumpster? Say it. Say it muthafucka I dare you. I triple dog dare you.

Turd Ferguson wrote:As to Donald Trump’s economic handling, he had done a fantastic job.

Alright.

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### Re: Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

USA 100,392 102,464 cases.

On the other hand, imagine how many more cases America would have had if they elected Clinton!!!!!

Note to turd:

I'm being ironic.
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