What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

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What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:26 pm

Just wondering if there actually is one?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:41 pm

Using his influence as president to force a foreign nation to get dirt on a political rival for personal gain?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby iambiguous » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:41 pm

Of course some wonder if there actually was one in regard to the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

And, in fact, as many Republicans insisted back then that in fact there was, as Democrats insist today that in fact there is against Trump.

I guess it depends in part [here] on what the technical definition of "is" is.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby promethean75 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:45 pm

I guess it depends in part [here] on what the technical definition of "is" is.


Only a desperate degenerate obsessed with the nil would ask what is is. There are no absolutes, dude. 'is' is whatever you want it to approximately be.

See this is what abrahamism has done to you. The hellenes never asked what is is. For fucks sake.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:49 pm

phyllo wrote:Using his influence as president to force a foreign nation to get dirt on a political rival for personal gain?


What crime is that in legal terms?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:52 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
phyllo wrote:Using his influence as president to force a foreign nation to get dirt on a political rival for personal gain?


What crime is that in legal terms?
Don't you think that's an abuse of power?

US foreign policy ought to be for the benefit of the people of the US rather than for the benefit of the president himself.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:53 pm

I just would like the name of the actual crime sited, is that too much to ask?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:16 pm

phyllo wrote:
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phyllo wrote:Using his influence as president to force a foreign nation to get dirt on a political rival for personal gain?


What crime is that in legal terms?
Don't you think that's an abuse of power?

US foreign policy ought to be for the benefit of the people of the US rather than for the benefit of the president himself.


Was it for personal gain? How about it was for the country to stop a corrupt candidate from becoming a corrupt president?

What prosecutorial evidence is there other than hearsay brought forth by parties with a political or personal bias against Trump? Both presidents have said that nothing inappropriate occurred and the transcript of the actual call shows nothing occurred. There is no evidence of any investigation of Biden. So where the beef?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:34 pm

Was it for personal gain?
Yes, he would personally gain.
How about it was for the country to stop a corrupt candidate from becoming a corrupt president?
That sort of rationalization appears to justify any action. It assumes that the candidate is corrupt, that if elected he/she would be a corrupt president, and that the corruption is worse than abusing power to block the candidate's election. Pretty iffy.

Isn't it up to the voters to decide who becomes president?

If a president is corrupt then he could be removed by impeachment.
What prosecutorial evidence is there other than hearsay brought forth by parties with a political or personal bias against Trump?
All the testimony was hearsay?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:02 pm

phyllo wrote:
Was it for personal gain?
Yes, he would personally gain.
How about it was for the country to stop a corrupt candidate from becoming a corrupt president?
That sort of rationalization appears to justify any action. It assumes that the candidate is corrupt, that if elected he/she would be a corrupt president, and that the corruption is worse than abusing power to block the candidate's election. Pretty iffy.

Isn't it up to the voters to decide who becomes president?

If a president is corrupt then he could be removed by impeachment.
What prosecutorial evidence is there other than hearsay brought forth by parties with a political or personal bias against Trump?
All the testimony was hearsay?


As a citizen, Trump would gain. Every citizen would personally gain.

Explain some other way Biden's son came into that position while Biden was in office? He was an expert with years of experience? Coincidence that his Dad, Joe Biden, was negotiating foreign policy with the Ukraine during the years Hunter served on the Burisma Gas Company board? Isn't that corruption for the Vice President to leverage his position to favor his son's position, resulting in a multimillion dollar salary for his son while Joe was negotiating with the same foreign power? His son was just an exceptional lawyer/lobbyist and it was happenstance, the timing?

Which witness wasn't hearsay? I don't know. As far as I know, Trump, The Ukraine president, and the transcriptionist were the only people involved.
People with an axe to grind can make up all sorts of stories of what they say Trump said but there's nothing but their word and even that's hearsay from Trump? The transcript says otherwise. Where are all the recordings or video phone evidence when you need it? Bummer.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:11 pm

Explain some other way Biden's son came into that position while Biden was in office? He was an expert with years of experience? Coincidence that his Dad, Joe Biden, was negotiating foreign policy with the Ukraine during the years Hunter served on the Burisma Gas Company board? Isn't that corruption for the Vice President to leverage his position to favor his son's position, resulting in a multimillion dollar salary for his son while Joe was negotiating with the same foreign power? His son was just an exceptional lawyer/lobbyist and it was happenstance, the timing?
Isn't it up to the legal branches of the US government to investigate, rather than Trump pressuring the Ukraine?
As far as I know, Trump, The Ukraine president, and the transcriptionist were the only people involved.
What about all the other people who testified that there was pressure to force action from the Ukraine in exchange for foreign aid?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby iambiguous » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:11 pm

Let's file this one under, "dueling objectivists". :wink:

Or, sure, maybe :lol:
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:16 pm

iambiguous wrote:Let's file this one under, "dueling objectivists". :wink:

Or, sure, maybe :lol:
How so?

Isn't there such a thing as abuse of power?

Isn't it in the interest of Americans to keep abuse of power in check?

Are there not credible witnesses?

Are there not fair and unfair trials?

Does it matter or it doesn't matter?

Can Trump do whatever he likes?

Is Trump above the law?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:20 pm

phyllo wrote:
Explain some other way Biden's son came into that position while Biden was in office? He was an expert with years of experience? Coincidence that his Dad, Joe Biden, was negotiating foreign policy with the Ukraine during the years Hunter served on the Burisma Gas Company board? Isn't that corruption for the Vice President to leverage his position to favor his son's position, resulting in a multimillion dollar salary for his son while Joe was negotiating with the same foreign power? His son was just an exceptional lawyer/lobbyist and it was happenstance, the timing?
Isn't it up to the legal branches of the US government to investigate, rather than Trump pressuring the Ukraine?
As far as I know, Trump, The Ukraine president, and the transcriptionist were the only people involved.
What about all the other people who testified that there was pressure to force action from the Ukraine in exchange for foreign aid?


What legal branches of government and their officials have not been spying on Trump or plotting to impeach him since the Russian hoax through illegal means?

Bring one Ukrainian official who was pressured forward to testify then. Is that too much to ask? Straight from the horse's mouth, not some rabid dog's mouth?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:22 pm

In October 2019, Biden resigned from the Board of Directors of a Chinese private investment fund he co-founded, BHR Partners, saying he wanted to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest while his father was running for president.[11][12]


Ex-Vice Presidents cannot be corrupt, only current presidents, is that it?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:28 pm

What legal branches of government and their officials have not been spying on Trump or plotting to impeach him since the Russian hoax through illegal means?
If you don't trust your own institutions, then you might as well fold up the country and go live in Jamaica.

You're eating yourselves alive. No good will come of this. And it's both sides. Don't claim it's only the other guys.
Bring one Ukrainian official who was pressured forward to testify then.
You don't trust your own diplomats but you trust foreign officials who are desperate for aid.

Makes no sense.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:42 pm

Foreign officials testifying would nail Trump's coffin. Fired or disgruntled American officials who swing Democrat not so much. Ukraine would definitely get their aid even if Trump was impeached due to the Dem's wanting war with Mother Russia.

You don't think Obama, The CIA, and FBI have abused their power regarding Trump, his campaign's privacy, his family and associates, the Russia dossier and investigation started by Clinton and the DNC and organized/introduced to the public by the CIA and FBI? I wouldn't ask agencies who were working against me to investigate an ex vice president who they were sympathetic to.

Trump is slowly draining the swamp from all areas of Washington and the thinking public will have to do the rest of it come election time. Trump did and maybe still does have some not so scrupled people around him, but even the minor congressionally told lie and backroom business dealing pale to the corrupt Democratic party and those officials who support that party.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:50 pm

Foreign officials testifying would nail Trump's coffin. Fired or disgruntled American officials who swing Democrat not so much. Ukraine would definitely get their aid even if Trump was impeached due to the Dem's wanting war with Mother Russia.
So if they get aid by testifying against Trump, then their testimony may be politically motivated lies. At least that's how Republicans could spin it. Right?
Trump is slowly draining the swamp from all areas of Washington and the thinking public will have to do the rest of it come election time. Trump did and maybe still does have some not so scrupled people around him, but even the minor congressionally told lie and backroom business dealing pale to the corrupt Democratic party and those officials who support that party.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:35 am

phyllo wrote:
Foreign officials testifying would nail Trump's coffin. Fired or disgruntled American officials who swing Democrat not so much. Ukraine would definitely get their aid even if Trump was impeached due to the Dem's wanting war with Mother Russia.
So if they get aid by testifying against Trump, then their testimony may be politically motivated lies. At least that's how Republicans could spin it. Right?
Trump is slowly draining the swamp from all areas of Washington and the thinking public will have to do the rest of it come election time. Trump did and maybe still does have some not so scrupled people around him, but even the minor congressionally told lie and backroom business dealing pale to the corrupt Democratic party and those officials who support that party.
You're on the edge of a complete political collapse. Partisanship will kill you.


It would be coming from the horse's mouth, the only place it should come from, right? The republicans could say whatever they want to say, but the actual evidence would have spoken. Currently, the actual evidence says that it didn't happen and I'm still waiting to read the legal charge against Trump? What do you mean by political collapse and partisanship killing me?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:37 am

iambiguous wrote:Of course some wonder if there actually was one in regard to the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

And, in fact, as many Republicans insisted back then that in fact there was, as Democrats insist today that in fact there is against Trump.

I guess it depends in part [here] on what the technical definition of "is" is.


I thought the charge against Clinton was lying to Congress, that's perjury isn't it?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby zinnat » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:57 am

I think that his only crime is his brutal and unwaranted arrogance, which proves to be too much to be digested by others who are in the system. That is why they all make him pay. And personally, i do not mind that.

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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:07 am

zinnat wrote:I think that his only crime is his brutal and unwaranted arrogance, which proves to be too much to be digested by others who are in the system. That is why they all make him pay. And personally, i do not mind that.

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What do you think about Trump's sense of humor?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby zinnat » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:21 am

WendyDarling wrote:
zinnat wrote:I think that his only crime is his brutal and unwaranted arrogance, which proves to be too much to be digested by others who are in the system. That is why they all make him pay. And personally, i do not mind that.

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What do you think about Trump's sense of humor?


I do not see any sense of humor in him. What i see is only and only arrogance. he thinks, or atleast enable others to think that all are stupids and fools and he is only wise man that US has ever produced.

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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:27 am

I enjoy his sense of humor. He makes me laugh. I can't think of any other Presidents who have made me laugh.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby zinnat » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:37 am

WendyDarling wrote:I enjoy his sense of humor. He makes me laugh. I can't think of any other Presidents who have made me laugh.


The job of a president is not to make people laugh. That is not why millons of people elected him. That is what a joker does. Of course, yes, sometimes Trump also acts like a joker.

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