Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:29 am

Aegean wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
I would have a serious debate or conversation with you if you weren't such an asshole whether you're Lyssa or Turd Ferguson.

[That whole Trump is God comment in the other thread would make me believe you're Turd because Satyr would never say such a thing as I know he hates Trump and neoconservatives as much as I do.]

You're either Turd Ferguson trying to have a good laugh at everybody or you're Lyssa that's losing her shit mentally as she enters menopause.
I love watching you try to think.


Confirmed identity: That's something Turd Ferguson would say.

Having a mid-life crisis because the God emperor isn't coming through Turd? Sounds like you need to chill out and have an intervention. We're here for you buddy if you can stop crying like a girl weeping like you're on your monthly period.
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:32 am

Can't get anything by that mind trap of yours.
I'm some kind of turd...for sure.
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:36 am

Aegean wrote:Can't get anything by that mind trap of yours.
I'm some kind of turd...for sure.


Yes you are Mr. Ferguson, yes you are. 8)
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Gloominary » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:48 am

Gloominary wrote:Birds of a feather...

In desperate times, when there's threat of violence, people ban together along ethnic, racial and religious lines.
Just look at prison gangs, many prisons are rigidly divided ethnically and racially.

Karpel Tunnel wrote:Those are radically controlled environments. Radically organized. CArefully separated. Carefully controlled.

Prison is hyper-controlled in many ways, but hyper-chaotic in others, like being caged with wild animals.
Prisoners are under constant threat of violence, and scarcity, like if a fellow inmate is stealing your or extorting you for food, or if most of the readily available food is calorically and nutritionally deficient, meagre, nasty and toxic, and you have to barter, buy, extort or steal to get a decent meal.
A lot of them are hooked on drugs, coffee and cigs, again more scarcity, further stoking tensions.
The institution itself isn't forcing them to racially segregate, it's something they're spontaneously doing, arguably in part as a reaction to violence and scarcity.

Of course gangs form outside of prison too and much or most of the time they're race based.
Today our society is partly race based.
We kind of, sort of had a post-racial society briefly in the late 20th century, but that's since been dissolved.
Racism hasn't gone away, merely mutated.
In the early 21st century it's socially acceptable for minorities to self-segregate, hold anti-white views and for the state to discriminate against whites, but as we're seeing there's a backlash brewing in the underground.
It'll be interesting to see where race relations wind up in the mid 21st century.

Whatever societies are able to form in the aftermath of financial and political meltdown, should one occur, one way or another many, most or all of them in all likelihood will be race based.

Gloominary wrote:It doesn't mean after the political and economic collapse just because two people are white, they'll get along, there will be a lot of conflict, suspicion, fear, paranoia, desperation, exploitation, opportunism, competition for resources and women, it doesn't mean whites will never ban together with blacks and browns either, but insofar as people do ban together, ethnicity, race and religion are going to play major factors for many people.

Karpel Tunnel wrote:I am not saying that won't happen. I am saying we will not have the neat balkanization that Zero sum imagines. The US history is very different from the what the preYugoslavian countries had as a history. It's an apples and bicycles situation.

If the federal government collapses, but many local governments don't, which's what I believe occurred in the soviet union, then we will have neat balkanization.
Today some states or regions are nearly totally white, some totally native, some mostly mestizo or mulatto, and some mixed.
In areas that're near totally or predominantly homogeneous, where the local governments too are near totally homogenous, it'll be natural for them to become race based.

And you will have a racially mixed military and law enforcement, which will be trying to enforce martial law, overall, or in regions.

The racially heterogenous federal government might lose control of many, most or all racially homogenous regions, or it might completely dissolve while some local governments remain intact, or are able to reform.

1) I think he underestimates what kind of chaos a societal collapse will lead to. There are not going to be neat flows of people into their ethnic areas. There will be no way to set up those areas.

There're degrees of collapse, it's not necessarily all or nothing.

2) Major power players are not going to give a shit about race, just as they don't right now. They are going to consolidate power, using whatever parts of the military they can use. And these elites will not give a shit who the militaries they control clamp down on, as long as those units protect them and their interests.

They do give a shit about race, just not in the usual, overt ways.
Jews have at least much if not most of the power in finance, government and media, at the upper echelons they're highly organized and dedicated to promoting their national and racial interests.
They have the right under their control with Christian Zionism, and the left with white-guilt, which they use to prop themselves, and other minorities up at our expense.
Elites do care about race, whether it's just a means of social control, or just because the plebs care about it, or because they actually care about it, and as things breakdown humanity will become even more tribalized, further compounding racial matters.

These insanely powerful and controlling jews have really being doing a terrible job protecting their own people. And then after centuries of controlling things where they were regularly shit on, they put their nation state in the worst possible place. A place to set up the next Holocaust.

Well that's where their holy book told them to build it, otherwise maybe they'd've built it some place less hostile, but then every piece of land on earth is occupied, so you're going to have to kick someone out, and they're not going to be too pleased with you afterward.

Jews are doing great.
They have all these social and political protections whites don't in our own countries.
Their standard of living is highest among any demographic in the US.
The US has the highest opinion of Jews among any country in the world.
They have much or most of the control over our higher institutions.

Right, we're tribal people. Not ethnic people. A total societal collapse puts us before nation states. The Germanic tribes, which Zero sum comes from in part, warred with each other and certainly didn't consider the Celtic tribes a unit or their friends. He seems to think a worldwide financial crash is going to land things back in the early nation states - which had white states that warred the fuck ouf of eachother anyway, shall we talk French vs. Germans, French vs. British...? - but it will knock things back before nation states. It will send us to tribes.

Things are different these days, for the better when it comes to white nationalism because whites in the US are more racially unified than they were in Europe.
The average white American has multiple white sub-races within them, Irish, Italian, French, German, Polish, but little-no black or brown.
White Americans see themselves as white first, and whatever else second, unlike their European counterparts, who see themselves as Greek first, or Slovak first and so on.

And there is not going to be a neat, all the whites over there, dispersion

I don't know, there may be, I'm not sure why you think it's unlikely.
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:50 am

Yugoslavia is a bad example. It was an artificial ethnos, made up of many tribes, held together by authoritarian Marxism.
the US is something different.
A culture of no culture. A multiracial, multi-cultural market.
A collection of the lost and hapless.
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:27 am

Aegean wrote:Yugoslavia is a bad example. It was an artificial ethnos, made up of many tribes, held together by authoritarian Marxism.
the US is something different.
A culture of no culture. A multiracial, multi-cultural market.
A collection of the lost and hapless.


I never said such a collapse would be completely identical, only that it will be very similar. :wink:
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:30 am

Nice save.

It will not happen any time soon...sorry buddy.
I know you're gathering canned goods, boots, flashlights, a tent, and sharpening your machete, but it may not happen in your lifetime.
I know you had your heart set on blood taking: amputations, castrations, decapitations, raping and pillaging....but no go.
Stick with the school stuff.
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:36 am

Aegean wrote:Nice save.

It will not happen any time soon...sorry buddy.
I know you're gathering canned goods, boots, flashlights, a tent, and sharpening your machete, but it may not happen in your lifetime.
I know you had your heart set on blood taking: amputations, castrations, decapitations, raping and pillaging....but no go.
Stick with the school stuff.


Never say never, for all your philosophizing you know nothing about international economics or current events, without knowledge of either you're reduced to a ranked amateur. 8)
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:37 pm

Whatever you say....maaaan.
I've been waiting for the collapse ever since you announced it 20 years ago....or was it 10?
Had a friend who urged me to buy silver and gold because the economy would collapse. that was 10 years ago, as well.

When an empire is in decline, crazies, like you, come out into the squares shouting
"The end is near!!! the end is near!!! Repent, pray to your god, for the end is near!!!"

it's a sign that we've entered a Dark Age in Americanism. A long way down.
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Re: Envisioning A Yugoslavia Style Collapsed United States.

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:02 pm

Aegean wrote:Whatever you say....maaaan.
I've been waiting for the collapse ever since you announced it 20 years ago....or was it 10?
Had a friend who urged me to buy silver and gold because the economy would collapse. that was 10 years ago, as well.

When an empire is in decline, crazies, like you, come out into the squares shouting
"The end is near!!! the end is near!!! Repent, pray to your god, for the end is near!!!"

it's a sign that we've entered a Dark Age in Americanism. A long way down.


Yes, the crazies just like me. 8)

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Let us see what our Nietzschean friend has to say when he is confronted by economics, I think our philosophical friend doesn't understand basic economic principles. 8) Philosophy only gets you so far in discussions like these.

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