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Boycott Google

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:30 pm
by Karpel Tunnel
Now when I do a google search, first I get links like I used to and then suddenly commercialized links take over the top of the page. Worst, sometime I click on a link, in the brief interval, and end up opening one of the commercial links that flips into its place.
If I scroll down the page I find commercial links interspersed.
It functions less well, now, for my purposes and not just a little.
Since Google is the best search engine – open to correction here – I think this has a terrible, in tiny effects but cumulative, total effect on society. More time wasted, more distraction, for millions of users.
I get it, they are a private company, but I sure hope people complain.

Re: Google changes it search function for the worse

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:42 pm
by MagsJ
The search results have definitely evolved since yesterday.. my search brought up only a few pertinent links, the rest of the page was filled with adverts generated from my search words. Annoying much!

Re: Google changes it search function for the worse

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:48 pm
by Serendipper
Good thing google is not a public utility! /sarc

Educating the public? Pft! What matters is making money! :bow-blue: $

We don't need no education!

Yes, google is the best, but it was better 10 years ago before it started trying to understand what I type.

I've been thinking a lot lately about Friedman's idea that monopolies fall apart on their own and what's impressive is that he called the fact the little bitty Kmart would buy Sears.

FWD to 19:49



As a matter of fact, you say can Sears buy Kmart, but the way Kmart has been growing the question is gonna be can Kmart buy Sears LOL!

That was back around 1980-81 and was an astounding call!

It sure seems true that companies grow so big such that they eventually rest on their laurels and allow a smaller company to topple them. It's been proven time and time again, but the question is what happens if by chance a monopolistic company doesn't become stupid by virtue of success?

Re: Google changes it search function for the worse

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:42 pm
by Karpel Tunnel
Yout seem to be saying there is justice in the market, that Google will pay for this, Rome is on the decline. I am skeptical, but I hope you're right.

Re: Google changes it search function for the worse

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:47 pm
by Serendipper
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Yout seem to be saying there is justice in the market, that Google will pay for this, Rome is on the decline. I am skeptical, but I hope you're right.

I'm saying I don't know, but would like to explore the topic to find out. Friedman had his opinion and Donahue had his. Idk, I can see both sides. It's a puzzle that I can't solve and it's going to annoy me until I solve it :)

Re: Google changes it search function for the worse

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:54 pm
by Karpel Tunnel
Serendipper wrote:
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Yout seem to be saying there is justice in the market, that Google will pay for this, Rome is on the decline. I am skeptical, but I hope you're right.

I'm saying I don't know, but would like to explore the topic to find out. Friedman had his opinion and Donahue had his. Idk, I can see both sides. It's a puzzle that I can't solve and it's going to annoy me until I solve it :)

Let me contribute to google's potential problems
https://www.lifehack.org/374487/try-the ... ch-results
I used to use duckduckgo, I will now again...

1. DuckDuckGo
1
DuckDuckGo is the first choice for search engines among the users who want to remain anonymous on the internet. While privacy is a highly concerned issued on the internet, DuckDuckGo doesn’t collect your browsing history, social media profiles, emails to give you personalized search results, unlike Google.

Many find DuckDuckGo user-friendly for its features like ‘zero-click’ information (all your answers are found on the first result page), infinite scroll and prompts to clarify your questions. Also the ad spam is much less than Google. If search privacy is your concern, try DuckDuckGo.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:18 pm
by Serendipper
My experience with duckduckgo wasn't that great a year or so ago. Here is a search comparison viewtopic.php?f=3&t=193229&hilit=duckduckgo#p2677656

Perhaps it has improved.

The odds are google isn't going to care, just like sears didn't and verizon isn't, or how else would companies rise and fall?

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:22 am
by Mr Reasonable
It's not google per se, it's the Trump administration's new policy on net neutrality.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:43 am
by Serendipper
Oh I forgot about that.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:50 am
by Mowk
and face book too!

#LIKE #SARC

#hug or what ever the non-aggressive, politically and culturally correct equivalent way to say, that's some rocket think.

Not a dancer but if I were... >dance<

I'm just a bot

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:12 am
by Karpel Tunnel
Mr Reasonable wrote:It's not google per se, it's the Trump administration's new policy on net neutrality.

Could you expand on that....

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:13 am
by Karpel Tunnel
Serendipper wrote:My experience with duckduckgo wasn't that great a year or so ago. Here is a search comparison viewtopic.php?f=3&t=193229&hilit=duckduckgo#p2677656

Perhaps it has improved.

The odds are google isn't going to care, just like sears didn't and verizon isn't, or how else would companies rise and fall?
I'm trying dogpile right now
.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:35 am
by MagsJ
Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Serendipper wrote:My experience with duckduckgo wasn't that great a year or so ago. Here is a search comparison viewtopic.php?f=3&t=193229&hilit=duckduckgo#p2677656

Perhaps it has improved.

The odds are google isn't going to care, just like sears didn't and verizon isn't, or how else would companies rise and fall?
I'm trying dogpile right now
.

Oh what such cray cray names.. these new search engines have. :shock:

Any good contenders/alternatives iyo? Google now just looks an over-cluttered mess, like the site administrators have a massive case of anti-OCD.. a grotesque eyesore, if you will.

Mr Reasonable wrote:It's not google per se, it's the Trump administration's new policy on net neutrality.

At the expense of aesthetic, it seems..

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:06 am
by Serendipper
MagsJ wrote:
Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Serendipper wrote:My experience with duckduckgo wasn't that great a year or so ago. Here is a search comparison viewtopic.php?f=3&t=193229&hilit=duckduckgo#p2677656

Perhaps it has improved.

The odds are google isn't going to care, just like sears didn't and verizon isn't, or how else would companies rise and fall?
I'm trying dogpile right now
.

Oh what such cray cray names.. these new search engines have. :shock:

I used dogpile in the 90s. I don't know what it is now, but then it was a pile of results from various search engines, hence the name.

I'm stuck with google... google scholar, google newspapers, google youtube... I just have to learn to work around their latest bs.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 am
by Karpel Tunnel
Hey, I am pretty selfish and if I can't get something as good I will drift back to Google. But it bothers me that what actually is a massive change - when we think of how many people use Google, how the new system will cause people to lose time, click on links they do not want, and how core the use of Google is for getting information - and that I see very little reaction and that people will likely just bow down to this, it is horrible. In a sense Google search has become part of our own cognitive processes. Well we all got just a little bit drunk or a little bit on the road to dementia and that will have huge ripple effects. I also wonder if this is a taste of things to come, where the infrastructure in general will shift, frog in slowly rising to a boil water, to systems that subtly fuck us over more and more.

Things look good out there. Evne with the economic problems and so on, we are more and more stressed, more and more addicted - though our addictions have less of the drama of some of our older addictions - and more and more shallow. We are getting shallower and more stressed.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:59 am
by Mr Reasonable
Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:It's not google per se, it's the Trump administration's new policy on net neutrality.

Could you expand on that....


Trump admin installs new fcc chairman. Amit something, he goes against the will of the people and allows isps to give precedent to the requests of bigger media companies. So back in the day, you could google something, for instance, "ford mustang", and click, "images" and you'd see all kinds of things from all kinds of sites that everyone uploaded in the images tab, so maybe you'd see someone's old beat up car, or some random dude's car in his driveway etc...because, technical shit aside, the internet didn't favor one content producer over another to the extent that it does now, and legally so because the new FCC guy ended net neutrality. Now when you google, "ford mustang" and click, "images", you'll just get a whole shit ton of stock photos. It basically consolidated power to verizon, at&t, etc and gave those companies a huge chunk of something valuable that used to be equal and free for everyone.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-net-neutr ... d-to-know/

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/what- ... ARKPHtw5N/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/tech ... epeal.html

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:16 am
by Karpel Tunnel
Mr Reasonable wrote:Trump admin installs new fcc chairman. Amit something, he goes against the will of the people and allows isps to give precedent to the requests of bigger media companies. So back in the day, you could google something, for instance, "ford mustang", and click, "images" and you'd see all kinds of things from all kinds of sites that everyone uploaded in the images tab, so maybe you'd see someone's old beat up car, or some random dude's car in his driveway etc...because, technical shit aside, the internet didn't favor one content producer over another to the extent that it does now, and legally so because the new FCC guy ended net neutrality. Now when you google, "ford mustang" and click, "images", you'll just get a whole shit ton of stock photos. It basically consolidated power to verizon, at&t, etc and gave those companies a huge chunk of something valuable that used to be equal and free for everyone.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-net-neutr ... d-to-know/

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/what- ... ARKPHtw5N/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/tech ... epeal.html[/quote]Thank you!

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:25 am
by Mr Reasonable
np

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:32 pm
by Serendipper
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Hey, I am pretty selfish and if I can't get something as good I will drift back to Google. But it bothers me that what actually is a massive change - when we think of how many people use Google, how the new system will cause people to lose time, click on links they do not want, and how core the use of Google is for getting information - and that I see very little reaction and that people will likely just bow down to this, it is horrible. In a sense Google search has become part of our own cognitive processes. Well we all got just a little bit drunk or a little bit on the road to dementia and that will have huge ripple effects.

I don't think I could agree more.

I also wonder if this is a taste of things to come, where the infrastructure in general will shift, frog in slowly rising to a boil water, to systems that subtly fuck us over more and more.

I don't know. It depends how relevant profit is. Walmart doesn't sell the 1950s style garden nozzles that last forever because the plastic pieces of crap is what makes the most profit.

Things look good out there. Evne with the economic problems and so on, we are more and more stressed, more and more addicted - though our addictions have less of the drama of some of our older addictions - and more and more shallow. We are getting shallower and more stressed.

Seems like it.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:44 pm
by Serendipper
Mr Reasonable wrote:
Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:It's not google per se, it's the Trump administration's new policy on net neutrality.

Could you expand on that....


Trump admin installs new fcc chairman. Amit something, he goes against the will of the people and allows isps to give precedent to the requests of bigger media companies. So back in the day, you could google something, for instance, "ford mustang", and click, "images" and you'd see all kinds of things from all kinds of sites that everyone uploaded in the images tab, so maybe you'd see someone's old beat up car, or some random dude's car in his driveway etc...because, technical shit aside, the internet didn't favor one content producer over another to the extent that it does now, and legally so because the new FCC guy ended net neutrality. Now when you google, "ford mustang" and click, "images", you'll just get a whole shit ton of stock photos. It basically consolidated power to verizon, at&t, etc and gave those companies a huge chunk of something valuable that used to be equal and free for everyone.

That seems a lot like Reagan's FCC guys eliminating the Fairness Doctrine on the premise that competition would ensure unbiased news. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairn ... Revocation

Reagan pretty much caused what Trump now calls fake news lol

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:09 am
by Gloominary
Google and youtube are now nearly 100% politically, and scientifically correct.

When I type anything remotely controversial in the search box, instead of receiving a plethora of controversial channels and websites criticizing the establishment like I used to, I get channels and sites trying to debunk their criticisms.
For example, if I type vaccines and autism, instead of getting loads of channels and sites claiming vaccines give your children autism, I either get sites refuting that claim, or just general info about vaccines.

They also limit the amount of results you get.
In the old days, if your search turned up 1 million results, you'd at least have the opportunity to explore each and every 1 of those 1 million results, now you'll only be able to explore the top 100, or 1000 of those results, almost all of which are state controlled corporate funded.

Duckduckgo used to be alright, but recently they've been infiltrated by the corporate state, and they've decided to run it into the ground.
For example, when you do an image or video search, you only get a handful of results instead the hundreds or thousands you'd used to get.
Of course this's self-sabotage and they know it, Duckduckgo has been hijacked, and is in the process of committing digital semboku, its goose is cooked.

I recommend Jive Search for an unadulterated exploration of the web:

https://jivesearch.com/

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:01 am
by Serendipper
Gloominary wrote:When I type anything remotely controversial in the search box, instead of receiving a plethora of controversial channels and websites criticizing the establishment like I used to, I get channels and websites trying to debunk their criticisms.
For example if I type vaccines and autism, instead of getting loads of sites claiming that vaccines give you autism, I either get sites refuting that claim, or just general info about vaccines.

That oughta piss off the trumptards =D>

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:07 am
by Gloominary
Serendipper wrote:
Gloominary wrote:When I type anything remotely controversial in the search box, instead of receiving a plethora of controversial channels and websites criticizing the establishment like I used to, I get channels and websites trying to debunk their criticisms.
For example if I type vaccines and autism, instead of getting loads of sites claiming that vaccines give you autism, I either get sites refuting that claim, or just general info about vaccines.

That oughta piss off the trumptards =D>

Right, and the authoritarian, brainwashed, elitist sciencetards, who hate free markets, speech and thought, who're unable to see science is in large part controlled by big business, big pharma and government, who're incapable of formulating an opinion based on examining alternative research, collecting anecdotes and listening to their bodies, who're incapable of exercising critical, independent thought, will be most pleased.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:12 am
by Karpel Tunnel
Serendipper wrote:
Gloominary wrote:When I type anything remotely controversial in the search box, instead of receiving a plethora of controversial channels and websites criticizing the establishment like I used to, I get channels and websites trying to debunk their criticisms.
For example if I type vaccines and autism, instead of getting loads of sites claiming that vaccines give you autism, I either get sites refuting that claim, or just general info about vaccines.

That oughta piss off the trumptards =D>
It should piss everybody off. Unless for some reason you think that corporations and those in power would never skew information or cover anything up. Or coming at it from another angle, that people should not be able to communicate freely.

Re: Boycott Google

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:56 am
by Mr Reasonable
Corporations would never lie. That would make consumers not trust them, then how would they sell their products?