Kompromat

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Re: Kompromat

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:14 pm

iambiguous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

'The intercepts bolstered the findings gleaned from the interrogations, helping reduce an earlier disagreement among intelligence analysts and agencies over the reliability of the detainees. The disclosures further undercut White House officials’ claim that the intelligence was too uncertain to brief President Trump. In fact, the information was provided to him in his daily written brief in late February, two officials have said.'

'Afghan officials this week described a sequence of events that dovetails with the account of the intelligence. They said that several businessmen who transfer money through the informal “hawala” system were arrested in Afghanistan over the past six months and are suspected of being part of a ring of middlemen who operated between the Russian intelligence agency, known as the G.R.U., and Taliban-linked militants. '


Of course Trump has left us with the impression that he does not necessarily read all the daily briefings. Thus allowing him to pick and choose the ones he actually did read. It really comes down to whether or not it can be established that he was aware of the intelligence. And the extent to which the intelligence itself can be proven.

Trump haters of course are hoping like hell that both can be established.

Indeed, if they are, how will Trump wiggle out of that?

And then of course the even murkier truths embedded in whatever one's own rendition of the "deep state" is. The part that is ever and always a manifestation of political economy. Trumps is part of ours, Putin is part of theirs.

The "whole truth" that mere citizens [like us] are never privy to.




It's either a reference to which economy is closer to the truth, the political or the social/psychological, hm- Freudian?

through a probable offering of a glean of hope for a negotiated insight into the swamp

or, that the media it'self is prevy to infer an unremarked continuation of what popular opinion relegates to , as just another myth, albeit merely an expediently inverted one.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:50 pm

Then this part: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... as-troops/

'When the report came out that the United States had intelligence that the Russians were paying bounties to the Taliban for killing U.S. troops and that the White House had not decided what to do about it, President Trump tweeted: “Nobody briefed or told me, [Vice President] Pence, or Chief of Staff [Mark Meadows] about the so-called attacks on our troops.”

'Wrong answer, Mr. President. The fact that you or your staff were not “briefed" on this critical intelligence does not excuse the White House for its failure to take action to defend our troops. The answer is not “nobody briefed or told me.” The answer is: What is the United States going to do about it?'


In other words, suppose it is established that Trump was not aware of the intelligence, but it turns out that the intelligence itself is established to be true. That Putin did put bounties on coalition forces. Including Americans.

What will Trump do? Or, if Putin does have in his possession some damaging information about him, not do?

edit:

Jennifer Rubin WP

'The latest Russia scandal illustrates the point. According to the New York Times, Trump did receive intelligence in his daily briefing about the bounty that Russia put on U.S. troops: “The intelligence was included months ago in Mr. Trump’s President’s Daily Brief document — a compilation of the government’s latest secrets and best insights about foreign policy and national security that is prepared for him to read. One of the officials said the item appeared in Mr. Trump’s brief in late February; the other cited Feb. 27, specifically.” (Trump and the White House have denied he was briefed on the matter.)

'The Associated Press also reports that the White House knew in 2019 that “Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported” and that Trump was briefed once by former national security adviser John Bolton in March 2019 and again by his successor, Robert O’Brien (who denies doing so)'.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:59 pm

iambiguous wrote:Then this part: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... as-troops/

'When the report came out that the United States had intelligence that the Russians were paying bounties to the Taliban for killing U.S. troops and that the White House had not decided what to do about it, President Trump tweeted: “Nobody briefed or told me, [Vice President] Pence, or Chief of Staff [Mark Meadows] about the so-called attacks on our troops.”

'Wrong answer, Mr. President. The fact that you or your staff were not “briefed" on this critical intelligence does not excuse the White House for its failure to take action to defend our troops. The answer is not “nobody briefed or told me.” The answer is: What is the United States going to do about it?'





In other words, suppose it is established that Trump was not aware of the intelligence, but it turns out that the intelligence itself is established to be true. That Putin did put bounties on coalition forces. Including Americans.

What will Trump do? Or, if Putin does have in his possession some damaging information about him, not do?



&if, that intelligence be compromised?
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Re: Kompromat

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:46 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/opin ... e=Homepage

Susan Rice OpEd

'Here’s what should have happened. Had I, as national security adviser, received even “raw” reporting that Russia was paying to kill U.S. service members, I would have walked straight into the Oval Office to brief the president.

'Contrary to the spin-masters in the White House today, I would not have waited until we had absolute certainty. I would have said, “Mr. President, I want to make sure you are aware that we have troubling reporting that Russia is paying the Taliban to kill our forces in Afghanistan. I will work with the intelligence community to ensure the information is solid. In the meantime, I will convene the national security team to get you some options for how to respond to this apparent major escalation in Russia’s hostile actions.”

'If later the president decided, as Mr. Trump did, that he wanted to talk with President Vladimir Putin of Russia at least six times over the next several weeks and invite him to join the Group of 7 summit over the objections of our allies, I would have thrown a red flag: “Mr. President, I want to remind you that we believe the Russians are killing American soldiers. This is not the time to hand Putin an olive branch. It’s the time to punish him.”

'This is what would have happened in any prior administration of either political party.

'That it apparently did not is deeply troubling and raises myriad questions. If Mr. Trump was told about Russian actions, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Are his top advisers utterly incompetent? Are they too scared to deliver bad news to Mr. Trump, particularly about Russia? Is Mr. Trump running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why?'


Finally...

'What must we conclude from all this? At best, our commander in chief is utterly derelict in his duties, presiding over a dangerously dysfunctional national security process that is putting our country and those who wear its uniform at great risk. At worst, the White House is being run by liars and wimps catering to a tyrannical president who is actively advancing our arch adversary’s nefarious interests.'

Note to conservatives:

This is clearly the liberal spin. But, seriously, why do you suppose Trump acts as he does in regard to Putin?
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:40 pm

The following is an inter alia objective presentation, which has not much re-presentational value, except where the ' Ali's or parts of the summary are interpreted as coming from the same, or, identical sources.

Other than that, it may not give credence to any follow up to the question as to the why's of the mechanics of Russian-U.S. relations, because of the increasing awareness of the incurred problems in reference to intelligence parameters.

The attack on intelligence by Trump, correlates with the role that Putin played in the Communist KGB, and the non personability of an appearent attack on CIA and FBI assets, have uncertain but relevant tie ins of why the recognizance of relationships have become muted.

The next comment is merely a subset, that may upend the patent need to understand.

This is why , material dialectics have almost negatively reversed rationale upon which reductive ideology should have memorialized it's primary source.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:41 pm

The old detante, as well as the echoes of the material dialectic, have not been reduced sufficiently to an epoch, which could absolve either a practical, or an ideal representation of sufficient leadership power-relations, to satisfy reasonable dialogue, which could avoid compromising intelligent appraisals of reasonable objectives, that can transcend a reversal of an ideal to and through a pragmatic approach - to ascertain a sustainable balance of power; through the will of variable authority as represented currently.

The intelligences of both , of Russia and the US can not at the moment transcend new normative states
of affairs, hence the reverse trajectory of the executive roles can not clearly be specified.

Technology preempts reasonable grounds between majority and minority models.

There is the problem of differential intelligence, both: forwardly and backwardly designed, to make sense of unilaterally overlapping designs on authority.

As a consequence, not too much should or could be done to read too much into developing international relations at the moment.



This is exceedingly, an early blueprint, of which, the only focus of interplay that is certainly significant, that come between a reasonable balance of power, suffices in the pragmagical assumption if a non transcendental model of objectively reduced synthesis, from the supposed universal standard, as proposed on pragmatic basis, to the earlier framework, manifested by nationally identifiable predterminates.

That struggle, has superseded, reversely, any ' existential struggle', which has been patently been negated, by proponents of existentially priotorized assumptions, and which gave credence to the structurally nominal consequences that are still hanging in the balance.

Again, the idea is formed from an exiistential reduction from nominalism to the forming of such, that would give rationale to 'exit' from a ' No Exit' situation, that could give rise to an appearent need to form ulterior channels of representation to the will, to overcome repression.
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Re: Kompromat

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:19 pm

And finally, as a note of apology, to Iambiguous, I wrote the above to remind myself of the search for the answer You pose, in terms for me to be able to seek reference within my own search for sources, and not meant to give definitive answers as to the reduced patent idea of the answers which could be given , as to why the personslly react and understand the underlying conditions which they are obliged to deal with, before forming the states of mind under lying underlying their respective modus operandi.

Thanks ahead for the allowance You or anyone may make in furtherance of required conditions.
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