## If The European Union Collapses....

Discussion of the recent unfolding of history.

### If The European Union Collapses....

If the European Union collapses politically, socially, and economically, would the United States seek to intervene by absorbing all of Europe? It is no secret that the E.U. is pretty much dominated and defended by the United States military under N.A.T.O where although the headquarters of the E.U. is Brussels it would seem that since the European Union's inception for all intents or purposes is actually controlled out of Washington D.C. The E.U. and Brussels if anything seems to be an extension of Washington D.C. if not also its lap dog on a variety of international or domestic issues. The European Union is almost like an American satellite state that receives its marching orders out of Washington D.C.

For many years in the European region there was worry about all of Europe being taken over by the Soviet Union that is until it collapsed where in many cases throughout history there have been many nations or organizations that have tried to take full control of the whole of Europe. Of course there are many ways to take over and control an area that rely on much less than blatant military aggression. Another way to take over an area or region of the world is financially and economically.

What if the European Union collapsed financially or economically where the United States was forced to bail it out completely? What would stop the United States from just absorbing all of Europe politically through forced annexation?

Perhaps the future of an United States of Europe is one that is absorbed by North America and the United States itself. Is this the underlying goal of the grand international chessboard that is at work?

Whatever happens the United States economy cannot afford a collapse of the European Union as it would completely destroy the financial underpinnings and machine of the United States.

For me if the European Union was to collapse my theory as articulated above isn't that far fetched at all.

A more bigger question arises, if all of that came to be, how would Europeans themselves react?
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... It's interesting that very recently Deutsche Bank of Germany has officially closed shop a majority of its offices and locations within the United States. What does Deutsche Bank know of to make them do this? "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... The Muslim and African migrant invasion of Europe is an interesting development for Europe over the last decade which seemed to really take off with the interventionism in Syria by the United States, what if it was a destabilizing tactic by the American C.I.A. to socially or politically destabilize the whole of Europe? Why would that be so hard to believe in? "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... Zero_Sum wrote:A more bigger question arises, if all of that came to be, how would Europeans themselves react? ...perish the thought. Zero_Sum wrote:It's interesting that very recently Deutsche Bank of Germany has officially closed shop a majority of its offices and locations within the United States. What does Deutsche Bank know of to make them do this? Lack of funds to sustain premises, post Brexit, perhaps.. profits to be funnelled elsewhere. Zero_Sum wrote:The Muslim and African migrant invasion of Europe is an interesting development for Europe over the last decade which seemed to really take off with the interventionism in Syria by the United States, what if it was a destabilizing tactic by the American C.I.A. to socially or politically destabilize the whole of Europe? Why would that be so hard to believe in? Not an impossibility, as the causal spur for the influx is still an unknown.. The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What? --MagsJ MagsJ The Londonist Posts: 18874 Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm Location: London, NC1 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... what if it was a destabilizing tactic by the American C.I.A. to socially or politically destabilize the whole of Europe? Well, it’s possible, but then there is also Turkey. It’s been trying to get into EU for the last 30 years and with no success; and we can’t dismiss the possibility that it still holds secret ambitions of restoring the Ottoman Empire. Influx of Muslim refugees and the consequent Islamificatuon of Europe may also be in Turkey’s interests. Pandora Philosopher Posts: 4291 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am Location: Ward 6 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... A little off topic, but speaking of Turkey, I bet it’s really pissed right now about US recognition of Jerusalem as Capital of Israel and moving of its embassy to Jerusalem. Historically, I think it must be a real sore spot for Turkey. It reminds me of a scene from the Last Emperor/Payitaht Andulhamid (a nationalistic as well as antisemitic and controversial tv show condoned by Erdogam) in which Herzl comes to Andulhamid (the last sultan of Ottoman Empire) and asks him for land in Palestine for the Jews. He talks about the plight of the Jews in Europe and praises the fairness of Ottomans and also offers to pay off all the Ottoman debts if sultan agrees. The Sultan refuses saying the land belongs to his people and not him, and makes an empassionate speech about the people who shed their own blood over it, on and on... basically, that it can happen only over his own dead body and over dead corpses of all the people who fought for it. Herzl reassures that Jews only want to have their own land in a small part of Jerusalem to live in peace, and as part of Ottoman Empire, to which the Sultan points to and asks about the lines above and below the Star of David that Herzl has drawn, and reminds Herzl that they represent the land between Nile and Euphrates. In other words, he really plans on establishing a sovereign Zionist nation state, which the sultan will never allow. Angered by Herzl’s attempt to deceive him, he tells him to get out. This is just a (conspiratorial) theory, but if you look at the map of the promised land, the war/depopulation in Syria could make a different kind of sense. In either case, because of Turkey’s historical significance, it will have to play a key role in this conflict of interests, and complicating matters even further, Turkey has not exactly been on the best of terms with Europe, as we know. Pandora Philosopher Posts: 4291 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am Location: Ward 6 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... The beginning of asymmetrical economic warfare? Economic warfare by proxy? Over the last three days it gradually dawned on the Germans that Donald Trump's sanctions against Iran are in reality sanctions against Europe, and Germany in particular. The combination of third-party sanctions and changes to US tax laws has led to a situation where a large number of German companies now have an overwhelming interest to shift their business to the US, according to Spiegel Online. FAZ notes that the helplessness of the German government is becoming increasingly evident, both economically and politically. The paper notes that even Angela Merkel is casting doubt on whether it is possible to maintain the Iran nuclear agreement after Trump's decision. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$

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### Re: If The European Union Collapses....

‘We will decide who enters our countries!' Hungary and Poland REJECT EU refugee quotas

HUNGARY and Poland have dug in their heels over the European Union’s plans to settle refugees across the bloc and demanded member states have the final say over who enters their countries - not Brussels.

By HARVEY GAVIN
PUBLISHED: 17:47, Tue, May 15, 2018 | UPDATED: 21:16, Tue, May 15, 2018

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/96 ... Morawiecki - check-out the videos in the link, for greater jokes quotient.

Newly re-elected Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban stood shoulder to shoulder with his Polish counterpart Mateusz Morawiecki to oppose the EU’s migrant quota system, with they branded an assault on national sovereignty.

Both leaders said they had instead opted to help people in Africa the Middle East, or those in need closer to their respective countries, insisting this approach was a more effective long-term solution to the migrant crisis.

EU leaders have agreed to relocate around 160,000 migrants out of a total of more than two million who arrived in Europe since 2015.

The quota system is designed to ease pressure on countries like Italy and Greece which are the point of entry large numbers of migrants arriving from Africa and the Middle East.

Both Mr Orban and Mr Morawiecki were elected on anti-immigration platforms, and their decision to oppose the EU’s plans has put them at odds with Brussels.

The Polish leader said: “Here in Poland, it’s we who decide who will come to Poland and who will not.

“Proposals by the European Union that impose quotas on us hit the very foundations of national sovereignty.”

He reiterated his commitment to help those affected by war or poverty but said Poland’s assistance would take the form of providing aid where the problems are, not accepting refugees

He added: “In this matter, our national sovereignty is fundamental for us.”

Speaking after meeting with the Polish leader, Mr Orban said: “We also have hearts, we do not have stones instead of hearts. We are a Christian people.

“We know what commitments are, what it means to help.

“But we cannot help anyone if we destroy our country in the meantime.”

Mr Orban campaigned on a nationalist, anti-immigration platform and used a fiery pre-election speech in February to paint Hungary as a bastion of Christianity which would defend Europe against “Islamic expansion”.

He told supporters the bloc risks being “overrun” by mass immigration and claimed his government had “prevented the Islamic world from flooding us”.

He went on to single out immigration from Africa as potentially leading to “our worst nightmares coming true”.

His right-wing populist government was responsible for erecting a double razor wire fence on its border in 2015 at the height of the migrant crisis, in what later became a symbol of the anti-migration sentiment in parts of Europe.

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### Re: If The European Union Collapses....

The EU will collapse at some near point. The average European sees being European as an embarrassment and only something right wing nutters do. They are not proud of their history or who they are. Brexit was a good example, the debate has taken on an air of the Brexitters must be right wing extremists and no other causes for people disliking the EU have been given any air time. e.g. the high level of centralisation and corruption. We are told the UK cannot make it by itself and a lot of fear is pumped into that. While all the time ignoring countries like New Zealand and South Korea.
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### Re: If The European Union Collapses....

Mark090480 wrote:The EU will collapse at some near point. The average European sees being European as an embarrassment and only something right wing nutters do. They are not proud of their history or who they are. Brexit was a good example, the debate has taken on an air of the Brexitters must be right wing extremists and no other causes for people disliking the EU have been given any air time. e.g. the high level of centralisation and corruption. We are told the UK cannot make it by itself and a lot of fear is pumped into that. While all the time ignoring countries like New Zealand and South Korea.

The E.U. is no different from the Soviet communist block of Russia in past history where the only difference is that since its inception it has served American interests not Russian ones.

The Europeans were so worried about a Russian communist takeover of Europe that they turned their backs away from the United States that had a similar more insidious plan to do the same.

Europe and Japan since the end of world war II has been the United States life blood of technology or industrialization since we here in the U.S. have outsourced everything we once had. Now if we should either lose our stranglehold over Europe or Japan our American economy's goose is cooked. Japan recently has been very quietly and discreetly been selling all of its United States treasury bonds or U.S. debt holdings.

A new game is emerging and now nobody wants to be friends or political allies with the United States. What is the new game? It's China.
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... The core decision-making EU countries have lost hold of the purse strings, and (lack of) money is (lack of) power.. after-all. There is a distinct influx in American (and Australian and New Zealand) migrants, in my part of town.. there's no missing them accents. I don't think even the EU knows what is going to happen to the future of the EU, but I think that past historical alliances from the WWI era specifically, were instrumental in current EU alliances. The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What? --MagsJ MagsJ The Londonist Posts: 18874 Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm Location: London, NC1 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... MagsJ wrote:The core decision-making EU countries have lost hold of the purse strings, and (lack of) money is (lack of) power.. after-all. There is a distinct influx in American (and Australian and New Zealand) migrants, in my part of town.. there's no missing them accents. I don't think even the EU knows what is going to happen to the future of the EU, but I think that past historical alliances from the WWI era specifically, were instrumental in current EU alliances. The E.U. failed experiment will collapse and then thereafter all hell will break loose..... "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... Pandora Philosopher Posts: 4291 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am Location: Ward 6 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... Italy has become the favourite to leave the EU as the country's Eurosceptics threatens to destroy the Brussels bloc A total of 609,000 more people are in employment since Britain voted to leave the EU The UK workforce has grown to 32.34m - the highest since records began in 1971 according to the Office for National Statistics More than half a million of these are jobs that have been created in the UK since the referendum in June 2016 Since the start of this year more than 2,000 British jobseekers have found work each day on average Figures from Eurostat showed that growth in Germany slowed from 0.6% to 0.3% in the 1st quarter In France growth dropped form 0.7% to 0.3% over the same period according to Eurostat The Office for National Statistics report also confirmed wages are rising quicker than they have done in the last 3 years Office for National Statistics says on average pay has risen to £484 a week accounting for 3% more money in the average pocket Make of that what you will, but yes Zero_Sum.. it's not over for the EU, but it does seem so for the UK, which is probably why right-leaning Italy wants to follow suit with an Itexit.. after seeing those stats. I forgot to add that my part of town has also seen an influx in Nordic Europeans, as well as the American and Australian/New Zealand influx I previously mentioned... my aren't they tall. The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What? --MagsJ MagsJ The Londonist Posts: 18874 Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm Location: London, NC1 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... Pandora Philosopher Posts: 4291 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am Location: Ward 6 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... Zero_Sum wrote:It's interesting that very recently Deutsche Bank of Germany has officially closed shop a majority of its offices and locations within the United States. What does Deutsche Bank know of to make them do this? You can stop stroking your goatee. https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/db/stock-chart The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must. - Thucydides BTL Fixed Cross Doric Usurper Posts: 9269 Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:53 am Location: the black ships ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... I was totally incorrect about my statements on the European Union earlier. Even with radical nations like Britain or Italy pushing to exit out of the European Union we still have wise leaders like Macron and Merkel pushing to hold it together. France and Germany are doing an excellent job in keeping the E.U. intact amongst extremist nations like Britain and Italy. I think the latest pope out of Rome said it correctly that this populism against the E.U. is being stirred up by racist xenophobic nationalists. Europeans everywhere need to shun these racist xenophobic nationalists in Europe. Hopefully the charge being led by Macron and Merkel is a step in the right direction. Europe needs to follow Spain's example by taking in hundreds of African refugees daily on boats. We have problems with our own xenophobic racist nationalists in the United States, there is no reason why we can't take in thousands of Mexicans everyday, only evil racists oppose that. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... I knew she would. 36224908_10156102668775412_2059378162063638528_n.jpg (92.9 KiB) Viewed 4636 times The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What? --MagsJ MagsJ The Londonist Posts: 18874 Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm Location: London, NC1 ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... The Financial Times wrote: The Sun’s ‘Queen Backs Brexit’ headline rebuked by regulator Front-page claim was ‘significantly misleading’, rules Independent Press Standards Organisation Katie Martin, Henry Mance and John Murray Brown MAY 18, 2016 Print this page12 The Sun has been rebuked by the biggest UK press regulator over the headline of the tabloid’s front-page story in March declaring that the ‘Queen Backs Brexit’. The Independent Press Standards Organisation ruled that its controversial front-page headline on March 9 was “significantly misleading”. The story had prompted the Queen to make her first ever complaint to a press regulator. The paper ran a front-page headline on the Ipso ruling on Wednesday and a page two story outlining it. But the paper said it stood by all the ‘Queen Backs Brexit’ story, writing in an editorial: “It seemed fair enough to us. Tabloid newspapers like The Sun have always made eye-catching assertions in headlines. It is a standard device. But Ipso decided it wasn’t right. “The idea she keeps all her thoughts to herself is nonsense. Last week she was caught on video calling Chinese officials ‘very rude’.” Britain’s best-selling newspaper, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, had claimed in March that the monarch had criticised the EU at a lunch with government ministers. Buckingham Palace responded furiously. Ipso said the headline “was significantly misleading”. The headline also “contained a serious and unsupported allegation that the Queen had fundamentally breached her constitutional obligations in the context of a vitally important national debate”. After publication, The Sun’s account had been rejected by Nick Clegg, the former deputy prime minister, who was present at the lunch, although two other attendees — justice minister Michael Gove and Tory MP Cheryl Gillan — declined to comment. Ipso did not rule on whether the text of the article was accurate, but it said that in any case “it did not follow from the comments the article reported that the Queen wanted the UK to leave the EU as a result of the referendum: that suggestion was conjecture and the Committee noted that none of those quoted in the story were reported as making such a claim”. Some of those campaigning to leave the EU, such as Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, had reacted excitedly to the Queen’s alleged endorsement of their cause, while others, including UK Independence party leader Nigel Farage, said it was inappropriate to involve her in the debate. Tony Gallagher, The Sun’s editor in chief, said he approved the headline on the story and would not have handled it any differently “given what I know about the detail of the sourcing and given what I know about the detail of the conversation”. He told the BBC’s Today programme that “the sources were so impeccable that we had no choice but to run the story in the way we did”. Mr Gallagher added that the paper had been “left in no doubt” the Queen supported leaving the EU. The Sun’s ‘Queen Backs Brexit’ headline continues to run online, with a link at the bottom of the article to the adjudication. In March, Mr Gallagher had suggested the tabloid could reveal more about the Queen’s views, based on comments allegedly made at a second event at Buckingham Palace. However, no further claims have been published. Ipso was set up by some of Britain’s biggest newspaper organisations in the wake of the phone-hacking affair. A rival regulatory body has since been set up. Ipso’s ruling comes on the day that the Queen is due to make her annual speech to parliament, opening the legislative year. “This ruling shows everything wrong with Ipso — it was a clear and obvious code breach but the remedy is grossly inadequate,” said Evan Harris, joint executive director of campaign group Hacked Off. The Supreme Court is due to rule on Thursday whether the Sun’s sister paper, the Sun on Sunday, can publish the name of the celebrity involved in an open marriage and other details of the relationship. The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must. - Thucydides BTL Fixed Cross Doric Usurper Posts: 9269 Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:53 am Location: the black ships ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... Zero_Sum wrote:I was totally incorrect about my statements on the European Union earlier. Even with radical nations like Britain or Italy pushing to exit out of the European Union we still have wise leaders like Macron and Merkel pushing to hold it together. France and Germany are doing an excellent job in keeping the E.U. intact amongst extremist nations like Britain and Italy. I think the latest pope out of Rome said it correctly that this populism against the E.U. is being stirred up by racist xenophobic nationalists. Europeans everywhere need to shun these racist xenophobic nationalists in Europe. Hopefully the charge being led by Macron and Merkel is a step in the right direction. Europe needs to follow Spain's example by taking in hundreds of African refugees daily on boats. We have problems with our own xenophobic racist nationalists in the United States, there is no reason why we can't take in thousands of Mexicans everyday, only evil racists oppose that. Your god will reward you with the virgins you crave. The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must. - Thucydides BTL Fixed Cross Doric Usurper Posts: 9269 Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:53 am Location: the black ships ### Re: If The European Union Collapses.... Fixed Cross wrote: Zero_Sum wrote:I was totally incorrect about my statements on the European Union earlier. Even with radical nations like Britain or Italy pushing to exit out of the European Union we still have wise leaders like Macron and Merkel pushing to hold it together. France and Germany are doing an excellent job in keeping the E.U. intact amongst extremist nations like Britain and Italy. I think the latest pope out of Rome said it correctly that this populism against the E.U. is being stirred up by racist xenophobic nationalists. Europeans everywhere need to shun these racist xenophobic nationalists in Europe. Hopefully the charge being led by Macron and Merkel is a step in the right direction. Europe needs to follow Spain's example by taking in hundreds of African refugees daily on boats. We have problems with our own xenophobic racist nationalists in the United States, there is no reason why we can't take in thousands of Mexicans everyday, only evil racists oppose that. Your god will reward you with the virgins you crave. Don't confuse me with Muslim goyim fellow Hebrew, I'm a part of the chosen tribe just like you. We must work together in promoting the overall "good" of the European Union project, we Jews are a major influence in leading that charge. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$

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### Re: If The European Union Collapses....

The queen approved Brexit by Royal assent.. the queen approving something is not always the case/a given.

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MagsJ wrote:I knew she would.

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### Re: If The European Union Collapses....

In order to strengthen the European Union I think we need to make a superhighway that extends from Africa into Europe.
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