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Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Zero_Sum » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:19 pm

Turn your guns in white people otherwise you're an evil racist.



Gun rights are about keeping white men on top By Nathan Wuertenberg





Gun violence is rooted in white supremacy. We can’t solve the first without understanding its connection to the second.

Discussions of gun “rights” in the United States usually revolve around debated interpretations of the Second Amendment. But if we truly want to understand the influence of guns in our society, we need to center the debate in a much earlier period, one before the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

In Colonial America, gun ownership equaled power. More specifically, it meant the power to control the means of violence and use those means to suppress the voices of the disenfranchised. Throughout the 17th century, almost all the English colonies along the Eastern Seaboard passed legislation prohibiting women and slaves from owning guns and forbidding the sale of guns to native peoples. By the 18th century, gun ownership had become a defining feature of white masculinity in the English colonies and guns played an integral role in Colonial men’s public displays of that masculinity.


The public training exercises Colonial men participated in as part of their militia service were central to such displays and offered opportunities for them to participate in competitions to demonstrate their martial prowess. In many cases, guns were not only central to these demonstrations but were the prize for victory. The commander of the militia in Henrico County, Va., William Byrd, noted in his diary that he made a practice of awarding pistols to the men who won the competitions that took place on militia days. Such guns thus acted as material manifestations of a Colonial man’s physical domination of his peers, augmenting his reputation in terms of property ownership and bodily prowess.

But the main purpose of militias — North and South — during this period was to suppress slave rebellions, a constant fear of slaveholders throughout the institution’s existence. Militias’ sole responsibility in peacetime was to patrol local slave quarters for possible signs of subversion. When slave rebellions did occur, as in the 1739 Stono Rebellion in South Carolina, Colonial officials increased militia patrols for months and even years after the rebellions had been quelled.

They also usually expanded the caches of guns held in Colonial capitals. In Colonial minds, those guns were key to preventing any future slave rebellions. In fact, for many of the men who became leaders of the Colonial independence movement, the final straw that pushed them toward independence was the British military’s decision to confiscate Colonial militia stores and use them to arm refugee slaves who fled their rebel owners.


It was this culmination of their worst nightmares that the Founders had in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment. Their “right to bear arms” was the right of white men to exercise authority over black men and women by violent means if necessary, and their right to a “well regulated Militia” was the right to do so in large groups.

Many of the individual laws that restricted the right to bear arms along racial lines remained on the books in various forms throughout the antebellum period. Even after the Civil War, when slavery ended and the 14th Amendment guaranteed equal protection under the law to African Americans, white men did their utmost to ensure that gun ownership remained their prerogative. The Ku Klux Klan was notorious for, among many other things, confiscating weapons owned by newly minted black U.S. citizens, and prohibiting black gun ownership became a pillar of Jim Crow legislation.

Even with the advances of the civil rights movement in the 20th century and the end of Jim Crow, the prohibition on black gun ownership remains a de facto feature of modern-day law enforcement practice. When Black Panther Party members in California armed themselves in the 1960s to patrol communities abandoned by local law enforcement, the State Assembly passed legislation repealing an earlier law that allowed the open carry of firearms (a move the National Rifle Association supported). The 2015 police shooting of Philando Castile, who was killed in Minnesota as he followed proper protocol by announcing he had a legal handgun in his vehicle, is but the most notable example in recent years of the criminalization of legal black gun ownership. The fact that the NRA, an organization eager to join the fray at the slightest hint that gun rights might be infringed upon, did nothing in response to his death reveals its assumption that gun ownership is a white domain.


In a statistical sense, it is not far off. White men make up the largest percentage of gun owners (and are ahead of people of color and women by double digits). In the NRA, the breakdown is even more stark, with white men accounting for twice the proportion they do in the general population. They also account for the largest percentage of arrests involving gun violence. This is the case because our society has incentivized white male violence from the beginning and has identified guns as the most effective means of exercising that violence.

This lengthy history means that when white men feel disempowered, they are primed to resort to gun violence to reassert their sense of authority. It’s no coincidence that the rate of gun violence, and mass shootings in particular, has risen in tandem with the expansion of rights and representation for people of color and women in recent decades.

Mass shooters have routinely expressed white-supremacist views or motivations. The first mass shooter in U.S. history, Howard Unruh, was known to leave racist notes for his black maid and identified a Jewish pharmacist as his main target, because he claimed the man had overcharged him. The Columbine shooters, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, reportedly made racist remarks as they killed a black student. William Atchison, who shot two other students and then himself at a New Mexico high school last year, posted racist comments online for years before his death.


Most recently, the suspected shooter in the Parkland, Fla. school massacre, Nikolas Cruz, was reportedly photographed with a “Make America Great Again” hat. The hat was new. The worldview that put that hat on his head and an AR-15 in his hands is not.


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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:15 pm

Yeah, that seems like a weak argument. It would mean things like voting was systemic white racism, since voting was restricted to white men back then. Or running for office.
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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:56 pm

two things, first of all, the article is correct...
no question about it...

second, I really, really, really can't tell if Karpel is
being serious or not.... because his comment is
absolutely correct.... which makes the post article
even more correct, not weaker....

maybe because its first thing in the morning, that
I can't tell.... I should probable eat breakfast and
then maybe I can tell the difference between straight
statements and sarcasm.....

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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:52 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:two things, first of all, the article is correct...
no question about it...

second, I really, really, really can't tell if Karpel is
being serious or not.... because his comment is
absolutely correct.... which makes the post article
even more correct, not weaker....

maybe because its first thing in the morning, that
I can't tell.... I should probable eat breakfast and
then maybe I can tell the difference between straight
statements and sarcasm.....

Kropotkin
So I take you don't vote then, and would like to ban voting.
Of course what was considered democracy was then built around the sexist and racist ideas of the time. That doesn't mean we should ban voting now when the various races and women get to vote. The drug war on the other hand is still racist in the way it is carried out and in its legislation (re: class and race based drug choices being differently handled by the courts) and was intended to be a way of enacting government racism when it started, long before a Bush started slurping out just say no. In terms of the drug war the articles kind of reasoning would make sense. In terms of gun ownership it does not.
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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:12 pm

The white man is akin to the devil, get in line white goys.
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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:47 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:two things, first of all, the article is correct...
no question about it...

second, I really, really, really can't tell if Karpel is
being serious or not.... because his comment is
absolutely correct.... which makes the post article
even more correct, not weaker....

maybe because its first thing in the morning, that
I can't tell.... I should probable eat breakfast and
then maybe I can tell the difference between straight
statements and sarcasm.....

K: So I take you don't vote then, and would like to ban voting.
Of course what was considered democracy was then built around the sexist and racist ideas of the time. That doesn't mean we should ban voting now when the various races and women get to vote. The drug war on the other hand is still racist in the way it is carried out and in its legislation (re: class and race based drug choices being differently handled by the courts) and was intended to be a way of enacting government racism when it started, long before a Bush started slurping out just say no. In terms of the drug war the articles kind of reasoning would make sense. In terms of gun ownership it does not.


K: I have voted every single election, presidental and midterm, since 1980 and I would
push voting rights much further then they are now to include people convicted of felonies...
I want greater voting rights then we have now.... the war on drugs is racist but the entire
gun culture is about white rights.... see the response a white person carrying a gun gets
compare to a black person... and we see racism hard at work.... in 1968, the black panthers,
here in california push for gun ownership for blacks and with the help of the NRA, the
state pushed through laws banning guns.. and why, because it was the blacks who had the
guns and the whites, again with major funding by the NRA, pushed laws banning guns...
so, the gun ownership is owned by and for whites.......

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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:07 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:two things, first of all, the article is correct...
no question about it...

second, I really, really, really can't tell if Karpel is
being serious or not.... because his comment is
absolutely correct.... which makes the post article
even more correct, not weaker....

maybe because its first thing in the morning, that
I can't tell.... I should probable eat breakfast and
then maybe I can tell the difference between straight
statements and sarcasm.....

K: So I take you don't vote then, and would like to ban voting.
Of course what was considered democracy was then built around the sexist and racist ideas of the time. That doesn't mean we should ban voting now when the various races and women get to vote. The drug war on the other hand is still racist in the way it is carried out and in its legislation (re: class and race based drug choices being differently handled by the courts) and was intended to be a way of enacting government racism when it started, long before a Bush started slurping out just say no. In terms of the drug war the articles kind of reasoning would make sense. In terms of gun ownership it does not.


K: I have voted every single election, presidental and midterm, since 1980 and I would
push voting rights much further then they are now to include people convicted of felonies...
I want greater voting rights then we have now.... the war on drugs is racist but the entire
gun culture is about white rights.... see the response a white person carrying a gun gets
compare to a black person... and we see racism hard at work.... in 1968, the black panthers,
here in california push for gun ownership for blacks and with the help of the NRA, the
state pushed through laws banning guns.. and why, because it was the blacks who had the
guns and the whites, again with major funding by the NRA, pushed laws banning guns...
so, the gun ownership is owned by and for whites.......

Kropotkin



Yes white devils are everywhere, they need to be reeducated or shot on sight, right Peter Kropotkin?
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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:23 pm

Karpel: So I take you don't vote then, and would like to ban voting.
Of course what was considered democracy was then built around the sexist and racist ideas of the time. That doesn't mean we should ban voting now when the various races and women get to vote. The drug war on the other hand is still racist in the way it is carried out and in its legislation (re: class and race based drug choices being differently handled by the courts) and was intended to be a way of enacting government racism when it started, long before a Bush started slurping out just say no. In terms of the drug war the articles kind of reasoning would make sense. In terms of gun ownership it does not.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

K: I have voted every single election, presidental and midterm, since 1980 and I would
push voting rights much further then they are now to include people convicted of felonies...
I want greater voting rights then we have now.... the war on drugs is racist but the entire
gun culture is about white rights.... see the response a white person carrying a gun gets
compare to a black person... and we see racism hard at work.... in 1968, the black panthers,
here in california push for gun ownership for blacks and with the help of the NRA, the
state pushed through laws banning guns.. and why, because it was the blacks who had the
guns and the whites, again with major funding by the NRA, pushed laws banning guns...
so, the gun ownership is owned by and for whites.......

Z: Yes white devils are everywhere, they need to be reeducated or shot on sight, right Peter Kropotkin?

K: those are your words, not mine.... I should point out I am white, so I am one of those
"white" devils you refer to... and to be able to shoot people on sight kinda defeats the
whole point of gun control.... you want to prevent, PREVENT, people from being shot on sight...
so, no shooting on sight.... as far as reeducation goes, I have advocated education as
being one of the basis of the modern age and I have pointed out that "modern" education
with its emphasis on job training and the gaining of job skills as being one of the major
failures of the modern world...so, in fact, I think, most people could use to be reeducated
with the emphasis being not to gain job skills or to make a living, but to become human.....
with the point of education being the gaining of wisdom and not the pursuit of wealth....
or the gaining of job skills....

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Re: Washington Post: Gun Rights Is Systemic White Racism.

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:20 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:K: I have voted every single election, presidental and midterm, since 1980 and I would
push voting rights much further then they are now to include people convicted of felonies...
I would too and have said that elsewhere. But my point was that voting was, and still is easier for whites - if nothing else because of the way the drug war is fought so felons tend to be black, etc. However one would not call voting racist and not start a position to eliminate it, or label voting racist period. You would fight to extend voting, as you do.
the war on drugs is racist but the entire
gun culture is about white rights.... see the response a white person carrying a gun gets
compare to a black person... and we see racism hard at work.... in 1968, the black panthers,
here in california push for gun ownership for blacks and with the help of the NRA, the
state pushed through laws banning guns.. and why, because it was the blacks who had the
guns and the whites, again with major funding by the NRA, pushed laws banning guns...
so, the gun ownership is owned by and for whites.......
There is something to this argument, but going back to 1968 is not a good start. I am sure that given racism, blacks with weapons, legal or illegal, are treated worse than white owners. But here the idea is to eliminate guns, rather than make it fairer in the treatment of gun owners. More white people own guns than blacks but it is still a significant percentage of black homes that have guns. 32 % for blacks 49 for whites. Could be income that makes the difference. IOW there is significant black gun ownership. Yet here we decide that gun ownership was racist in the past as this part of an argument to eliminate guns, rather than, as with voting, make it fairer.

If the way something was done in the past was racist and these facets have not been eliminated, and we decide by this categorical criticism, all sorts of society should be eliminated. Public schooling should be eliminated on these grounds.

I think the article is making grounded on a weak argument. One that will be appealing to many liberals, but it shouldn't be. They can make other sound arguments against gun ownership and should notice there is something silly at the heart of this one.
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