New school shooting, leftist response

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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Serendipper » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:13 am

Zero_Sum wrote:^^^True story, Bernie Sanders and his wife are being investigated by the F.B.I. for fraud, look it up.

They're all crooks, but that one talked like he would put the pedal to the metal. Obama did things half-assed trying to compromise, but Bernie talked like he's set to go full Marx. I can't imagine how it would affect me negatively. Might have to pay some more tax, but eh... I'm not rich so I wouldn't be in his crosshairs.

The vegas shooting might not have happened, since there would be no reason to shoot at country music Trump fans. The TX church shooting might not have happened since it was an atheist already pissed at christians and Trumpsters probably put him over the edge. We may not have been discussing gun control so much and it might not have been an issue for Bernie to have acted upon. I think Bernie was more passionate about his economic ideas. And I'm curious how it would play out.
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Serendipper » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:38 am

Gloominary wrote:While it takes courage to be fair, in the sense that you'll suffer greater losses if others aren't also being fair,

Yes, that's why you fight fair as a last resort. Fairness was Superman's weakness that Zod et al exploited.

This is just from some notes I have:

From the Man of Steel movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm_06apWsRg

Faora: You are weak, Son of El, unsure of yourself. The fact that you possess a sense of morality, and we do not, gives us an evolutionary advantage. And if history has proven *anything*...
Faora: [Faora picks up Kal-El throws him into another building]
Faora: ...It is that evolution always wins.


This bit from the Pirates of the Caribbean illustrates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi-IUnCN_8

Will : My father was not a pirate. [takes out his sword]

Jack : Put it away, son. It’s not worth you getting beat again.

Will : You didn’t beat me. you ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I’d killed you.

Jack : Then that's not much incentive for me to fight fair, then, is it? [moves one of the sails so that the yard catches Will and swings him out over the sea] Now, as long as you’re just hanging there, pay attention. The only rules that really matter are these – what a man can do and what a man can’t do. For instance, you can accept that your father was a pirate and a good man or you can’t. But pirate is in your blood, boy, so you’ll have to square with that someday. Now, me, for example, I can let you drown but I can’t bring this ship into Tortuga all by me onesy, savvy? So… [swings him back on board and offers him his sword] can you sail under the command of a pirate? Or can you not?


What's the incentive to fight fair when someone else won't?
What's the incentive to be considerate when others are not?
What is the reward?

The reward is extinction, sometimes.

Survival was a moral as well as a physical struggle. A woman doctor wrote to a friend in June 1933 that she had not yet become a cannibal, but was "not sure that I shall not be one by the time my letter reaches you." The good people died first. Those who refused to steal or to prostitute themselves died. Those who gave food to others died. Those who refused to eat corpses died. Those who refused to kill their fellow man died. Parents who resisted cannibalism died before their children did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

To be moral takes courage.

firstly, you can still be wise, and fair, not lower your guard, and secondly, people who're unfair to the point of breaking the law usually end up in jail, unless they're wealthy, lucky or cunning and they take small amounts over long periods of time, so in other words: you don't have as much to fear from their unfairness.

You're probably right.

It's easier to play fair when you have the law protecting you from the worst injustices, like robbery, rape and murder, people can commit, but if the law wasn't there to protect you, like you suddenly found yourself in a survival situation, you might think, well if I don't sneak up on him, and get him first, he'll might just sneak up on me, and get me.

The law protects us from some things, but we're presented with many other ethical decisions that may require us to have courage.
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Serendipper » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:46 am

Gloominary wrote:
Stefan proved that wrong in the video I posted, which is counter-intuitive. Poverty and crime are inversely correlated. -0.57. I think what is correlated to poverty is suicide and drug use. If you feel hopeless, are you going to shoot someone else or yourself?

So a sense of entitlement from a prosperous society engenders violence. People don't know what it's like to actually starve and think hate speech is the biggest deal. It's not a feeling of hopelessness, but a feeling of righteousness, which leads to violence. Stefan correlates crime to broken families, r=.98 or so.

From my research, and experience, poverty is at least correlated with blue collar property crime, if not violent crime too.
People who're more likely to commit property crime, are more likely to commit violent crime, and people who're more likely to take illicit drugs, are more likely to commit crime, so Stefan's statistics don't exactly make sense.

Yeah it's counter-intuitive for sure.

FWD to 16:00 here:



That video has inspired lots of debate.
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Serendipper » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:56 am

Gloominary wrote:
It could be that people who choose to arm themselves also choose to stand on their own feet and therefore have a sense of integrity, not entitlement.

It could also be they've made loads of money, from exploiting poor people for a long time, hiring illegal aliens, shipping jobs overseas, replacing workers with machines, making them increasingly expendable, overpricing, underpaying, cartels, corporate welfare, fine print, fraud, tax loopholes, usury, polluting lakes, rivers and on and on, and they have nightmares of angry mods/peasants lynching/looting them, so they need to sleep with a gun underneath their pillow at night.

:lol: That seems about right.
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:31 pm

Serendipper wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:^^^True story, Bernie Sanders and his wife are being investigated by the F.B.I. for fraud, look it up.

They're all crooks, but that one talked like he would put the pedal to the metal. Obama did things half-assed trying to compromise, but Bernie talked like he's set to go full Marx. I can't imagine how it would affect me negatively. Might have to pay some more tax, but eh... I'm not rich so I wouldn't be in his crosshairs.

The vegas shooting might not have happened, since there would be no reason to shoot at country music Trump fans. The TX church shooting might not have happened since it was an atheist already pissed at christians and Trumpsters probably put him over the edge. We may not have been discussing gun control so much and it might not have been an issue for Bernie to have acted upon. I think Bernie was more passionate about his economic ideas. And I'm curious how it would play out.


Bernie is just a closet Jewish communist.
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Serendipper » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:19 am

Zero_Sum wrote:Bernie is just a closet Jewish communist.

What's Trump?
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Serendipper » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:50 am

Illinois Town Bypasses Constitution, US Citizens Given 60 Days To Turn In Guns Or Become Criminals

Residents in Deerfield, Illinois have 60 days to surrender their “assault weapons” or face fines of $1000 per day per gun.

Also included in the gun ban were semi-automatic pistols which can accept higher than 10 round magazines. That’s virtually all full size semi-automatic pistols.

Predictably, law enforcement and retired law enforcement members of the community are exempted from the ban. Currently, in the U.S., law enforcement kills around 1,200 citizens per year. Ironically, that number is actually four times higher than those who die from rifles.

As TFTP has reported, cops have killed 450 percent more people than have died in the past forty years of mass shootings.
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Zero_Sum » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:54 am

Serendipper wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:Bernie is just a closet Jewish communist.

What's Trump?

Corporate insider playing the masses like a violin.
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:04 am

Zero_Sum wrote:[
Bernie is just a closet Jewish communist.
I don't know where the word closet comes in here. He's an openly Jewish socialist.
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Re: New school shooting, leftist response

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:54 pm

I watched some documentary about Bernie Sanders political leanings since his younger years and he was a member of a communist support group. There was also footage of him and his wife vacationing in the USSR during the cold war and in Cuba. Underneath his socialist veneer is a radical communist.
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