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what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:19 pm

There seems to be some confusion over this so called, Nunes Memo.....
what it exactly is and what is exactly does....

what the Nunes memo is, it is a memo written by Deven Nunes, R-CA...
it is not, NOT, from the FBI, and the memo is classified, thus cannot be
revealed because it is based on classified information from the FBI....

so, is based on other information which means, so it is an
interpretation of information from the FBI... it is not the actual
information itself because that is classified...the very act of
rewriting the information, no matter who does it, is by its very
nature, biased....if I take some information, and then rewrite that
information into a memo, by the very fact I rewrite that information,
by what I reveal or don't reveal of that classified information, I
change the nature of information, I create bias by the very act
of rewriting that information into a memo....as there is not
democratic memo, just a GOP memo, that in itself creates
bias....a right wing writer has a bias just as a left wing writer would....

the vote to release this biased memo was done on party lines
a vote also done on party lines refused to allow the democrats
to create their own memo

after the vote was taken to send the memo to IQ45,
THE MEMO WAS REWRITTEN, in other words, the memo
was rewritten after the party vote to send it the WH....
and no one, outside of Nunes actually knows what
was rewritten or what information was changed.....

so we have a biased memo, changed after a vote to
send it to the WH, with no one knowing what was changed....
this is supposed to be a classified document... so even
revealing it will cause intelligence issues....

so before you think that this memo has some startling information,
know that it is based on information that has by its very nature,
is biased..... so a memo that is very biased is used to show bias
on the part of the FBI....

and that is the second brick on the wall.... this memo is supposed
to show how the FBI is biased in its use of information to attack
IQ45... that is the point of the memo, to show how the FBI was
biased in its Russia investigation.... but the memo is biased....

so we can't in fact, depend on the memo to clear up
any thoughts about the bias of the FBI....

this memo is simply just another attempt to discredit the FBI
in its attempt to get to the bottom of the Russia investigation....

the memo is a biased attempt to prove bias on the part of the
FBI....so by no means is this a neutral action, the memo
was created for political reasons...and should be thought of
as such......

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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:51 pm

I don't know yet what the Nunes memo is and neither do you Peter for you haven't read it yet, but hopefully we both will. :handgestures-fingerscrossed:
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Meno_ » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:09 pm

WendyDarling wrote:I don't know yet what the Nunes memo is and neither do you Peter for you haven't read it yet, but hopefully we both will. :handgestures-fingerscrossed:



Hi' the Nune s. Memo is a written document which by usage shows how to bring donut to the FBI' bias against the Trump campaign , in order to discredit said organization. Trump is for the release but critocs charge that has political cover.
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:22 pm

ok, think of it this way....

let us say for example, the declaration of Independence is a report
from the FBI and Thomas Jefferson is a person working for the FBI....

so Jefferson writes a report about King George 3... the declaration....
the report, the declaration is anti-King George 111.....

along comes someone named Nunes... he has access to classified
information which now is the Declaration of Independence....
the Declaration has been declared classified....which means the public
cannot see or gain access to the Delaration of Independence...
but Nunes can see it... but Nunes is a supportor of King George 111....
he wants King George to rule America forever... so he wants to
create bias against the report of Jefferson, so people will want King
George to rule forever...so what does Nunes do?

He says this about both the declaration and Jefferson....
he writes a memo.....

The writer of this classified information, the declaration of Independence,
has a known bias against King George 111.....Jefferson has created
a slanderous, bias report against the King... the Declaration is a bias,
unreliable document against the King.... the Declaration has no merit or value
because of the known bias of the writer, Jefferson....the claims that
Jefferson makes against the King are simply wrong and unsupportable.....
we cannot in good conscience support the declaration of independence
because it is not factual or supported by the evidence....

then Nunes sends that memo against the declaration of independence
to the White house... but after a vote taken to send the Nunes memo
to the White house, Nunes changes the memo.... from what to what, we don't know,
and all the time, we cannot see or find out what was in the original
document, which is the declaration of Independence.....
we just have Nunes word that the declaration is a bias, unsupportable
document against the King... and the declaration has no evidence to support
the charges against King George 3.....which we cannot tell if that is true or not....
as we cannot see the original documents that the nunes memo is based on....

that in essence is the Nunes memo.... it doesn't matter what is in the memo,
it is by its very nature, biased and unreliable in regards to the source material..
the FBI information or the declaration of independence....

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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:17 pm

When was the Nunes memo written? Before the Mueller investigation started?
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:33 am

Some fringe info ... a perspective from a UK lawyer.

As publication of GOP memo looms panic grips Washington
Democrats, Justice Department, FBI and media engage in furious campaign to block publication of GOP memorandum


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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:41 am

A manifestation of a global phenomenon?

Leaders around the world appear to be busting their balls to hang on to their "pack" ... the cookie jar is empty and the potency of fear mongering is shrinking. :-)
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:54 am

In imperial Rome when a plot against the emperor failed the plotters were expected to fall on their swords. It will be interesting to see whether the same holds true in Washington.

That would make for good television. :evilfun:
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:37 pm

Joker said the memo was released to the public awhile ago, but I cannot get the internet to load, not even google is responding. None of the streaming news channels are talking about its release. Is this a media blackout due to them not wanting the public to have this information?
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby iambiguous » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:08 pm

Let's try this...

Below is yesterday's Rachel Maddow show. It clearly reflects the liberal rendition of the Nunes memo.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

The second segment in particular.

Let someone here provide us with a segment that reflects the conservative rendition.

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Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:11 pm

The official memo is being withheld by the media outlets until they can get their Democrat stories straight? Trump released the now declassified memo back to Congress. What's the hold up? The Democrats.
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:33 am

WendyDarling wrote:
In imperial Rome when a plot against the emperor failed the plotters were expected to fall on their swords. It will be interesting to see whether the same holds true in Washington.

That would make for good television. :evilfun:


Valor and honor have long been removed as desirable credentials for leadership??
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:29 am

WendyDarling wrote:The official memo is being withheld by the media outlets until they can get their Democrat stories straight? Trump released the now declassified memo back to Congress. What's the hold up? The Democrats.


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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Uccisore » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:10 pm

What do you think the memo being available online 14 hours after Wendy's comment proves? She wrote that when the press was given 'highlights' and 'summaries' of the memo and we had to wait another hour for the real thing.
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:34 pm

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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:09 pm

Uccisore wrote:What do you think the memo being available online 14 hours after Wendy's comment proves? She wrote that when the press was given 'highlights' and 'summaries' of the memo and we had to wait another hour for the real thing.



K: conveniently forgetting that the dem's don't have control over
congress or the presidency.... the GOP does and they control
the availability of the memo and its release....the GOP owns the
memo and its release.....and when it is used to fire the head of the
FBI and Rosenstein? and eventually, Mueller, it will not end well
for the GOP....for it will be clear to all, that a political memo was
used politically to fire people.... the memo is a biased and politically
based document... meant to give cover to IQ45 and the GOP....

the shit will hit the fan at some point this week, I say that
IQ45 will used to the memo to fire these people by Friday of next week,
say Feb 9th or 10th....and all hell will break loose....

and we will find out what the 7th circle of hell is like...
and remember, there are 9 circles of hell... hate to see the
next two circles of hell....but we are fast approaching them.....


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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:14 pm

When was the original memo written?
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:26 pm

I have gone over dozen's of links and the only answer I can get is
that Nunes, or be correct, a staff member named.... Can't remember,
actually wrote the memo in secret...without imput from any other member
of congress.... so no one seems to know because it was written in
secret, in the dark of night as it were... befitting a memo that is
only a hachet job on the FBI....

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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:16 am

The idiotic theatrics of both parties is amusing to watch as Rome....err.. Washington D.C. burns from within. How to polish two turds in trying to make each other look better than the other. Here, hold my fiddle as everything smolders in ruin as I am taking a pause!
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:36 am

Zero_Sum wrote:The idiotic theatrics of both parties is amusing to watch as Rome....err.. Washington D.C. burns from within. How to polish two turds in trying to make each other look better than the other. Here, hold my fiddle as everything smoulders in ruin as I am taking a pause!



It may be smoldering but it will never burn like Rome, cause something tells me a carefully scripted odium.

May be this is illustrative of Trump's payback for not winning the Grammy for the Apprentice.
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:43 am

Zero_Sum wrote:The idiotic theatrics of both parties is amusing to watch as Rome....err.. Washington D.C. burns from within. How to polish two turds in trying to make each other look better than the other. Here, hold my fiddle as everything smoulders in ruin as I am taking a pause!



K: and here lies another one who enjoys and relishes the disaster in
"Rome".... a pox on both houses he says, but leaving out the fact that
by doing so, he doesn't care about the future or care about the fact
that if "Rome" burns, millions of people will be hurt and damage....
but hay, what does he care? he has his popcorn and nice quiet place to
practice his "superiority" over others..... and while millions get damaged
and hurt, who gives a shit.... because zero sum has his and the hell with
everyone else..... it is selfishness that drives zero sum to a point
of let "Rome" burn, because what does he care? He doesn't and
that is the point... a pox on both houses and let us make sure
we have enough popcorn to enjoy the show.... that is the modern
way, right? selfish to the end......

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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:14 am

Meno_ wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:The idiotic theatrics of both parties is amusing to watch as Rome....err.. Washington D.C. burns from within. How to polish two turds in trying to make each other look better than the other. Here, hold my fiddle as everything smoulders in ruin as I am taking a pause!



It may be smoldering but it will never burn like Rome, cause something tells me a carefully scripted odium.

May be this is illustrative of Trump's payback for not winning the Grammy for the Apprentice.

Never say never as forever is a very long time frame.
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:22 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:The idiotic theatrics of both parties is amusing to watch as Rome....err.. Washington D.C. burns from within. How to polish two turds in trying to make each other look better than the other. Here, hold my fiddle as everything smoulders in ruin as I am taking a pause!



K: and here lies another one who enjoys and relishes the disaster in
"Rome".... a pox on both houses he says, but leaving out the fact that
by doing so, he doesn't care about the future or care about the fact
that if "Rome" burns, millions of people will be hurt and damage....
but hay, what does he care? he has his popcorn and nice quiet place to
practice his "superiority" over others..... and while millions get damaged
and hurt, who gives a shit.... because zero sum has his and the hell with
everyone else..... it is selfishness that drives zero sum to a point
of let "Rome" burn, because what does he care? He doesn't and
that is the point... a pox on both houses and let us make sure
we have enough popcorn to enjoy the show.... that is the modern
way, right? selfish to the end......

Kropotkin


I'm what you would call a third positionist but also understand that nothing can stop a tidal wave no matter what best intentions or ideals whatever that you hold in conviction. We've tried damming the tidal wave but it's structural integrity has been buckling (lost) for decades and now even with water seeping in (albeit flooding even) we have individuals like yourself from both parties telling everybody there is no cause for alarm or worry. Well, you'll have to understand why I won't apologize for my massive skepticism.
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:27 am

To remain on my poll forum , trying to remain as objective as possible, the historical precesents of major changes in ideological highways and byways, I would not really be able on all fairness to draw a parallel between Nero and Trump. Even Hitler needed attention. by burning down the Reichstag.
I think such possibility is not within the carefully structured political social establishment of the USA, but true , nothing is totally impossible at this really unique juncture .The stakes are formidable enough
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Re: what is the Nunes memo?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:29 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:The idiotic theatrics of both parties is amusing to watch as Rome....err.. Washington D.C. burns from within. How to polish two turds in trying to make each other look better than the other. Here, hold my fiddle as everything smoulders in ruin as I am taking a pause!



K: and here lies another one who enjoys and relishes the disaster in
"Rome".... a pox on both houses he says, but leaving out the fact that
by doing so, he doesn't care about the future or care about the fact
that if "Rome" burns, millions of people will be hurt and damage....
but hay, what does he care? he has his popcorn and nice quiet place to
practice his "superiority" over others..... and while millions get damaged
and hurt, who gives a shit.... because zero sum has his and the hell with
everyone else..... it is selfishness that drives zero sum to a point
of let "Rome" burn, because what does he care? He doesn't and
that is the point... a pox on both houses and let us make sure
we have enough popcorn to enjoy the show.... that is the modern
way, right? selfish to the end......

Kropotkin


I'm what you would call a third positionist but also understand that nothing can stop a tidal wave no matter what best intentions or ideals whatever that you hold in conviction. We've tried damming the tidal wave but it's structural integrity has been buckling (lost) for decades and now even with water seeping in (albeit flooding even) we have individuals like yourself from both parties telling everybody there is no cause for alarm or worry. Well, you'll have to understand why I won't apologize for my massive skepticism.



So You're an independent ?
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