Kanye 2024

[Fixed Cross]

Just because Kanye West is black doesnt mean I cant take him seriously.

I am actually not a racist.

I am not surprised at how deeply racist you two are though

Please go to the ILP-degrading "black people are mentally lower" thread.

[Fixed Cross]

Uccisore - I make this thread in line with actual occurring politics - West being restrained and medicated for expressing support of Trump, and later on Trump inviting him to Trump Tower, and Kanye announcing #2024 - noting that Ive been saying he is going to run for 2024 from the day he was hospitalized. Its on record.

Kanye is perhaps even more of a joke to these horrible nazis than Trump is, but to me he makes sense in the same way: he has earned his stripes by his own devices and he makes a lot of sense to me as he speaks about issues.
His issues are different ones than Trumps. But he is on point most of the time, like Trump. And after 8 years Trump the US will need a real inner city president, one that would actually go into the cities.

[Fixed Cross]

Believe me, I see the massive problems. That is why 2024, and not 2020. The man learns faster than anyone and right now he has Trumps friendship. Of course we know about .003 percent of what West has seen in his life, guaranteed that the boldest stuff is not out there.

8 years is a long time. Not only will West learn a lot, but the world and the US will change tremendously. If we can influence that it's only through committing boldly to values rather than to worry. Is the prospect of president West troublesome? Possibly. But is i as troublesome as a Clinton presidency? I don't believe it comes close to being as troublesome as that.

If you can build and run a media empire, you can outdo Obama, Bush and Clinton. You'll be on par with Reagan, you'll have a deep connection to the Earth, to realty of Man.

[Fixed Cross]

I know that also the more sensible folks here will not vote for West. Understand: my battle here is not to convince anyone to get behind him, but to get it out of the way that because West is black and a musician, he wouldn't be suitable for president.

I was the first here to support Trump. I am probably the only to support West. You can see how it'll be hard.

To all the folks with a bit of heart and mind, please cast you democratic sub-candidates, proto and pre-candidates, weatherbaloons, test-droids, chemical experiments --- anyone come to mind, post it here.
I haven't been able to find a single white female to do the job. As a black woman I guess Condoleeza Rice could pull it off as well as any Bush/Cloontin clanner. She could run on either side, demos woulds give her a greater base.

West/Rice -
lol - ouch

So pose your counter-candidates. Give me an alternative to West. Ive been looking hard. West was not what I was looking for at all, its just a very thinly sown field, people on the left that are even remotely suggestible as maybe up to at least running to run.

[Magnus Anderson]

So propose your counter-candidates. give me an alternative to West. Ive been looking hard. West was not what I was looking for at all, its just a very thinly sown field, people on the left side with a bit of experience and integrity.

What about Trixie? It rhymes with Dixie. Trixie, the next president of Dixie.

[Fixed Cross]

Im not categorically opposed to foum members running at all. Why would I be here if I was?
Trixie wouldnt want the job, I imagine, but it wouldnt be the worst calling, and also preferable to Clinton.

It is basically hard to do worse than that thing. People that vote for Trxie would be less dangerous or irresponsible to my mind than that vote for Clontoin, as there is some spirit of truth in him or then her, Id assume. The sex change would be a major campaign tool. But Id still support Kanye West.

Who else on this forum is narcissistic enough to want that bizarre job?

[Magnus Anderson]

Ecmandu?

[Fixed Cross]

Hmm, that would seem rather dangerous.

I think he would still manage to 'get rejected' by women, as he seems to use all his powers to that end, and his powers are significant and would be enhanced.
I would be scared that he would turn the US in to a muslim state.

Faust couldnt run as there is too much folly involved in government.
who the fuck else?

really, you need a self-valuing-fanatic that is ideologically passive. Like Trump, Kanye, or even some one like Trixie. Emotions must be overflowing for the mind to stay detached enough. Something like that.

Note, I would consider Trixie an absurd option, but not a ridiculously moronic because proven to be incompetent and ignorant of the phenomena truth and responsibility one.

It seems to me, that the United States of America, well known from this song

(and these jets)

Is a philosophical country.
It is founded after all on a document, theoretically, spiritually with the words



It introduces a principle.

The People!

But what does it mean?
For the presidents have been such men of honor as here are proudly displayed!



and yet the peoples, they speak now with great disdain



Because the presidents have become less philosophical, and the people more so.
I now wish to point out Rutherford Hayes, who introduced the idea of lenience to the southern camp, sot hat its economy could be restored, and the idealistic yanks were all over him and he had to promise them a single term. He did some good in this single term, as he did not worry about getting re elected! A miracle maker, an actually wise man who understands leadership and responsibility, and the fundamental ignobility of politics.

My thesis is this: a philosophical president of this nation under the Sun of All, must be one who recognizes the dirt of politics.
People are thinking that the world is going crazy, but what is happening is the internet. We now see what our politicians do.
We now see that what they do has literally nothing to do with what they say besides that one can guess very well what is behind what is said to see what is meant.

Looking ahead then, at 2020 - the next elections. Lets start preparing for them here, so that they might bot become quite as grotesque and blindsided as these... and to push it, give it a little nudge toward a philosophical approach. To stand at the beginning of a chaos is to give birth to a whole school of dancing stars. And schooling it is this world needs, and dance -

Rutherford Hayes on the dollar, because he is a philosopher.
Trump on the Penny because he is not a politician but a man and not a globalist but an American

But the next president will have to be a Jefferson of sorts, in order to understand the needs of both the people qua intelligentsia and the people qua people - to integrate the media and the people, after the process of disintegrating the media from themselves has been somewhat advanced... the media have always belonged to tyrants, now they belong to us. This is the media, we begin here to surrect a philosophical presidency,

First things first - no joke, we need to get this out of the way -

-- Who do you trust? let's round them up. No parties - just candidates. The dichotomy is over, Trumps shown at least that

Don't hold back now boys (and girls, in it too these days, due to Rutherford in no small way) !



Gᛟd Bless

Mr Trump, the great man who has saved us from genocide and nuclear holocaust must be honored everywhere with whatever we have to honor him. But also we are the People and we will keep talking to him because if we talk loud enough he will listen.

Here I start this thread with a good comment from Parodites the friend of Fixed Cross.


&

PARODITES:

I've said a lot about politics and economics these last few months, and my Trump support is very evident. I've got to re-read everything I've said and integrate it... Nobody knows the true meaning of what's happened yet, not even Trump. It's important to understand exactly how this happened. That has become one of my primary goals, philosophically. And the great thing is, the entire media and academic and political classes have proven themselves for the last year and a half- incapable of that challenge. As Capable was saying, the enemy is not right or left or rep or democrat. The enemy is bigger than any of those things. Under Bush it manifested as the right, under Obama as the Left: but those are just its masks... Trump's victory has pulled off that mask.

If Clinton would have won, she would have allowed unmitigated immigration from foreign nations, and because these people all vote democrat, we would have found ourselves with effectively a one-party country- we would have only a mock vestige of a democracy: if recognizing this fact is all it takes to be branded a racist, then racist means nothing now. She would have gleefully ushered in a second cold war with the Russians. She would have pushed the globalist agenda forward and further bankrupted the US, diminishing the very meaning of the idea of the nation-state. She would have expanded our imperial trespasses in foreign nations and the middle east.

It is unfortunate that your friend took down the site. But we must be more gracious to those we have defeated, than they would have been to us if they had prevailed. Can you imagine the ridicule, the scorn, etc, if she'd have won? But I have no intention of rubbing this victory in anyone's face- just a little relatively silent gloating, which is certainly forgivable given these historic- truly historic, circumstances. A lot of these Clinton supporters probably weren't interested in politics, economics, philosophy, nationalism vs globalism, or any of this before, and they likely just bought into the bullshit media spin on Trump and thought they were doing a good thing standing in his way. * It's up to us now to demonstrate the reality to them: that they were wrong, and that they can still do the good thing. We all want the same thing, in the end; the emancipation of the human spirit, the prevailing of civilization over barbarism. The only people who don't want that are our political elites: and we have defeated them.


It is important to keep in mind, however, that it was never about Trump. Maybe a little bit about Trump... It was really about what his victory means: it means the old Republican party of bible thumpers and whatnot is gone forever, along with the Democratic neolibs who are basically just their satellite- as I've said there are no such things as conservative or liberal anymore there is just neoconservative and neoliberal corporatists, and the entire senate and house that Trump must now cleanse is filled with a bunch of Moloch-worshiping nihilists that would sell this country out for a check at a moment's notice: the media's reputation is destroyed forever, the unchecked march of globalism is repelled for the time being, the polling firms and all of academia have been proven wrong- and that means they are truly out of sync with the people and what is actually happening underneath all the bullshit and the tv, and it means that our democracy isn't bullshit after all, above all else; if we can put Donald Trump in the fucking white house, then for good or ill the people actually do still have power, even in the 21st century. President George Washington... President Thomas Jefferson... President Adams... President... Donald... J... Trump.

Trump has done at least this one thing, which nobody can take away from him: he's pulled the curtain back and revealed that, surprise, nobody's running this thing after all. There are no masters, there are no "experts," there is no political elite. The captains of the ship had eyes that never saw further than any of our own. There is nobody there in charge of the world save for... us. The people. Generations, years upon years of bullshit pretended elections, candidates we'd never even heard of before fed to us as our "choices."... may have made many of us cynical of politics and its potential in general, may have convinced us that it was all already paid for and sewn up, that there were actually people in charge of history: but now you can rest assured that, for good or ill, we are in charge.

This is a battle and the war will go on, but remember- a serious, a very serious, blow has been struck to the following:

Entire globalist international community
Corrupt corporatist political machine
Media
Academia
Bush Dynasty
Clinton Dynasty
Republican Establishment
Democrat Establishment
Neoliberal left
Neoconservative right


With the media dead, the Internet will take over their role of presenting and defending: truth. With the academics and political "experts" dethroned, a new territory has opened for those who can actually explain what we've just seen take place. With the dynasties cut off, the presidency will be opened up for generations to new blood from all domains, we will get to see many come forward and be elected from outside the limited, stunted, irrelevant political class, after Trump. With the globalists repelled, the potential for new international relations will appear in which more than just the corporate elite get wealthy.


The wheel of history is moving again, where it's going, as I said in the beginning of this post, is beyond everyone's current understanding. There will, as I've said, be great economic crises that were inevitable regardless of Trump's victory or failure. Trump has inherited perhaps the most politically torn, philosophically deformed, most severely divided populace ever to exist in the US. There will be great difficulties in that as well. The globalist corporate leeches still control most of the other nation states- and they are now going to double down against the US, but we have at least one on our side after Brexit.


But we are now in history. Think of that very intently: we are in history again. Many had named our era the end of history, the end of politics. We know now, regardless of whose side you were on, that this is not true.


http://i.imgur.com/ES57Cy7.jpg






* Save for Amy Schumer. Deport that fat cow immediately Donald... I mean, Mr. President.

[Magnus Anderson]

To be honest, I think that anyone who thinks that America or any other country can be saved, or made great again, is a bit delusional and over-excited about the fact that they will be in the leading position or that there will be some kind of big change.

People are dying and there is nothing that can save them. You can just make their corpses last a little longer and that's it.

It's easy to be excited. Very difficult to be realistic.

People are dead. You can't build anything with people who are dead. You cannot educate them nor engineer them into being alive.

Alright?

[Fixed Cross]

It has been done so badly that it has become easy. At this point it is a matter of not wasting money on repressing, deluding and killing people.

90 percent of the US economy seems to turn around either killing people or manipulating them into voluntary slavery.

If all that money is being spent on paying off debts and grand projects of architecture and the like, the situation is going to be less of a hell on earth.

People have been spending trillions to murder people just to get them to murder back and create excitement for some product, union or government. It just happened because people are generally extremely happy to believe stories, and it could be pulled off. Murphy's law brought us to the precipice, and miraculously we haven't happily stormed into the abyss but turned around right in time - though the lemmings among us are still pushing for the drop.

[Fixed Cross]

heres a video by a musical engineer who reverse engineers a Kanye beat.
Out of respect for this forum I wont embed things like this. I'll try to walk the line between politics and art, staying on the side of politics. As it is old Nietzschean opinion that politics must get closer to art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na9Xtf9Hjdk
It'll teach you something of how West is at the very least not some hack.

Music to me is a very serious business, if you can make an empire by creating new types of music, you are at the top of a very prominent human hierarchy, a different and to my own personal mind more qualified one than the fraternities that breed criminal lawyers.

[Magnus Anderson]

When you turn on the TV and instead of seeing a show about a healthy, well-functioning, family you see a show that is supposed to be funny -- a sitcom -- about a hopelessly dysfunctional family you know people are dying and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

People are laughing at their own misery. Can you imagine that?

Mistakes have become normal. No need to fix them. That's simply how things are.

You have to constantly hide yourself. Everything healthy is met with a strong resistance. Reminds others of how unhealthy they are.

You are telling me that a real estate mogul such as Trump or some black rapper "aristocrat" such as West can change that?

[The Golden Turd]

Not true Magnus, Trump's personality type has a few thousand years of example in leadership positions of substantially reforming and transforming civilizations- although admittedly shit also tends to backfire.

Take the ideas of Alexander's statecraft- mixing of the races, universal unity, mixing of religions. Was a massive flop, but he certainly made Hellenism not merely thrive but expand to previously unimaginable proportions. The Greeks were not great because of Athens or Sparta, nobody today in Avery different non-alexander world would pay heed to them if that was all they ever were, we pat attention because of their later importance, and we romanticize their earlier history just as they did.

Same with Theodore Roosevelt. He isn't remembered for his progressive policies, despite the left embracing it whole heartedly, but for the ability to inspire.

What Fixed Cross doest comprehend is, it is dangerous having too many leaders back to back like this, and he has delusional obsessions bordeting on manlove and idolatry. Alot of bad stuff tends to happen in these eras too. Winston Churchill had no solution to a crumbling british empire.roosevelt left us eith a bunch of absurd, useless colonies, Alexander resulted in the war of the successors.

It is really smart to plsn ahead and pick your leaders down the riad to repair the damage that the personality type of the current president leave behind. No thinking style results in perfection, and important thought patterns get left out of the loop. We as humans have those thinking styles forba reason.You gotta cycle through sometimes. There is a reason why we tend to reject presidential parties after a president has been in office 8 years,everyone left out forms newer,stronger coalitions, and these coalitions think differently.

I dont see any particular merit in kanye. I dont care if he thinks he is a artist,or if Fixed Cross jerks off to artists only becayse Nietzsche told him so, to fill some void. He would have to develop a national platform, gain a knowledge base beyond just music. Trump had alot of foreign experience building and working with governments, as well as in leadership and management theory- he didnt just have any reality show, but one on how to be the best leader.Kanye has.... literally nothing. If he shows a interest in leadership or government beyond singing over the next 8 years,I might look him over. My preference us he waits 30 years,gains a solid knowledge base,work charities,hit talkshows like Politically Incorrect, make new kinds of friends,people who know things.

[Fixed Cross]

Yes, Ive said 2024 as a first run.

Kanye doesnt have literally nothing, for one thing he gets invited by Trump, and he has fame across the globe. That really isnt nothing. Millions will fight for him, I certainly will.

I dont get whats so Nietzschean about loving music, but Ill take that. Certainly I know it isnt gay. Look at his fucking wife. Do you even dare to look at her? It's too much in many ways. But this is evolution, increased hormones, and how to control them.

Thats the real 'death of god' - the birth of the sex-icon, 'goddess'. A new stage in evolution due to mass media and the power of the image. Conditions have changed, meaning we need to accept certain changes in our leadership.

[Fixed Cross]

To the racial issue, if black people are the only ones viable, then a black person needs to get elected. I suppose sometimes facts are racist.

I'm not saying that a black person must follow Trump at all, I'm just seriously at loss as to which white person could pull it off - on the left. On the right there are a number of portals opening and we see capable military and business leaders emerging from behind the veils of lies.

[The Golden Turd]

I don't care about the racial situation, I'm classic old school, only care about competent statecraft. We have a few thousand years getting guys, especially heirs, ready for leadership.

And it isn't music I'm worried about, but your focus on dionysian artistry. It doesn't have the evolutionary response of a exciting overman, and people worship isn't a new concept derived from the internet. That's always been around in every era. This isn't the dawning of some retarded Age of Aquarius.

He us gonna have to go through some old school leadership trials, beyond his experience in direction his musical set ups. He has a particularly uphill battle to expand his skill set, Rome tried to use Seneca to matute Nero in his thought,and it failed in the end. Kanye can come ask me or anyone who specializes in this area for books to study up on, suggested activities to expand his administrative capacity, I will give that info out yo anyone earnestly desiring to become a national leader.just.... let's say a musician like Tupac would if been a wiser bet over Kanye, because Tupac was a reader in the area of Statecraft, he had at least a natural interest. It be a lot easier to get a guy like him aware of the classics, and more modern ideas, and I think he would seek most of it out on his own.

And I don't like looking at Kim because she isn't a real woman in appearance. She may have a functioning uterus, qualifying her as a real woman, but nobody looks like Kim naturally. I don't recommend society adopting deeply unrealistic sex idols, that are only achievable through multiple surgeries. The instinct of attraction should be based on what can be found realistically by males in mates, if Mongolian women suddenly became a fad because of a Mongolian supermodel, then wealthier men who can get such women should get them, bring them back, breed with them, let those genes trickle down. We are rarely attracted to thevweak, useless, and the ugly. Sexual attraction and love, as far as real relations, shouldn't be undermined. Kim makes a absolute mockery of the process, and women are dumb enough to fall for it, and idiots like Smears want it. What do you think our offspring will look like in 12-30 generations from now if we entered into a technological dark ages and couldn't make people look like that anymore? A bunch of stupid filing potato people who were selected for their ability to be surgically modified. That's not gonna hunt deer, put food on the table. Societies rise, but be pragmatic in knowing inevitably all must fall. You plan for that as a philosopher.

[A Shieldmaiden]

Fixed wrote:

Are you on abput them emotional-intuitive absurditites again? Did you think Alexander the Great was sitting crossed legged in his room discerning which type he is?

How about some of your astrological absurdities.

Donald Trump
June 14, 1946, 10:54 AM
Jamaica, Queens, New York (NY) (United States)

[The Golden Turd]

I'm not using Astrology as a personality typology, and furthermore, they rejected that even in the classical world.

This was written by the philosopher Bardaisan, he was a advocate for astrology, but wrote this book on the law of nations to explain why the stars don't order the fate of nations, which was a concept not widely accepted- Spartans wouldn't fight without the Euphors for example, Romans without augers giving positive results. Was a important step in the development of statecraft.

Nice philosopher and book nobody but me here ever heard of:

https://archive.org/stream/spicilegiums ... 0/mode/1up

But you are free to go sacrifice a kangaroo in the name of enlightened athiesm in a effort to bring peace to our times. I'm more interested in neurology and behaviorist studies, finding where they unite with philosophical concepts. If you reject that, your probably into voodoo or some shit.

[A Shieldmaiden]

TF,

I'm not using Astrology as a personality typology,

I know you are not.

MY post was directed at Fixed.

I was being facetious, pointing out his criticism of the different types, when he puts all his trust in astrology.

I was interested in his comparison between the two.

Yours of Trump ESTP and Fixed's astrological profile.

[The Golden Turd]

I must of skipped Fixed Cross's astrological profile post.

[A Shieldmaiden]

More explaining necessary.

Fixed ridicules the Myer Briggs test, yet put so much stock into his astrology he was actually asking people for their birth dates and times, in another thread, confident he can tell more or less the destiny of that person.

This is nonsense.

I suggested he give the Forum his astrological profile on the Trump, I for one would like to see what he comes up with.

Albeit I don't believe he will follow this through.

[Pandora]

Trump strikes me as a natural introvert, pretending to be an extrovert.

[The Golden Turd]

Much of Myers-Briggs as stand alone can be ridiculed, it isn't much different in structure from any Ying-Yang theory in it's abstract. What makes it valuable is that starting with Hung, who wacky as his ideas were, he was a qualified medical doctor, was that a actual psychological basis was asserted, then later on other theorists started asserting neurological mapping to this.

Imagine concepts "North, South, East, West" if your were just a brain in a vat. It isn't anything worthwhile, perhaps after a while you could explain logically how men would think as such, grasp how such thinking relates to some modes of ponderance more than others.... but imagine if you were eventually given a body, magnetic compass, and map. A lot of the idea would be affirmed, but new quandries presented in the nature of navigation. You'll find that compass directions are largely correct, but it exposes whole new problems needing resolved, like magnetic shifts in the compass over geographic north or south, as well as places between two spots on a compass, and places elevated or below a spot on a map.

That's how MBTI is wrong. It still has a lot right about it.

And my Astrology Chart happens to be fairly accurate. Yes, astrology acts like a clock and is largely bullshit as a determinator, but it does have a few thousand years if trial and efforts, and does sometimes result in fairly accurate pronouncements. I just don't ever encourage anyone to rush out and learn it, because the time of your birth is a shit poor indicator of your adult personality type. But hey, a clock is right two times a day and us right mostly on my account.

I was born February 11,1983 8:24 PM, San Andreas, California.

Fairly accurate description of me, and a good one for a INTJ, as well as a philosopher. My description also states I'm destined to straight up kick Fixed Crosses ass if he tried to twist it around as something bad, and that the beating would be painful for him, and funny as hell to everyone else. It is written in the stars, you can't change such a fate.

Doesn't explain why in Indian Astrology I get a different reading, despite the "science" being just as mathematically solid.

[Fixed Cross]

Much of Myers-Briggs as stand alone can be ridiculed, it isn't much different in structure from any Ying-Yang theory in it's abstract. What makes it valuable is that starting with Hung, who wacky as his ideas were, he was a qualified medical doctor, was that a actual psychological basis was asserted, then later on other theorists started asserting neurological mapping to this.

Imagine concepts "North, South, East, West" if your were just a brain in a vat. It isn't anything worthwhile, perhaps after a while you could explain logically how men would think as such, grasp how such thinking relates to some modes of ponderance more than others.... but imagine if you were eventually given a body, magnetic compass, and map. A lot of the idea would be affirmed, but new quandries presented in the nature of navigation. You'll find that compass directions are largely correct, but it exposes whole new problems needing resolved, like magnetic shifts in the compass over geographic north or south, as well as places between two spots on a compass, and places elevated or below a spot on a map.

That's how MBTI is wrong. It still has a lot right about it.

And my Astrology Chart happens to be fairly accurate. Yes, astrology acts like a clock and is largely bullshit as a determinator, but it does have a few thousand years if trial and efforts, and does sometimes result in fairly accurate pronouncements. I just don't ever encourage anyone to rush out and learn it, because the time of your birth is a shit poor indicator of your adult personality type. But hey, a clock is right two times a day and us right mostly on my account.

I was born February 11,1983 8:24 PM, San Andreas, California.

Fairly accurate description of me, and a good one for a INTJ, as well as a philosopher. My description also states I'm destined to straight up kick Fixed Crosses ass if he tried to twist it around as something bad, and that the beating would be painful for him, and funny as hell to everyone else. It is written in the stars, you can't change such a fate.

Doesn't explain why in Indian Astrology I get a different reading, despite the "science" being just as mathematically solid.

Of course it does, Indians use the Sidereal Zodiac.
Looking at the chart now, most significant concentration: Lilith/Ceres/Mercury conjunct in Capricorn.

You wont find prefab descriptions of any triple conjunctions anywhere.

So I see you have both Aquarius Sun and Moon. Your moon is 3 degrees removed from my Sun.
Accounts for this and that.

Ascendant 27 Virgo - Nietzsche's Mars.

Mars & Venus together, like Hitler anbd Sauwelios and Kanye West.... except a tee bit wider apart than those people, and in another sign (Pisces).



These Jungian letter test are nonsensical, Astrology is just hard science, its like comparing political rhetoric to gravity.

"Derp, fixed Cross embraces gravity so he also has to believe Clintons blah."


Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Sagittarius 2 degrees off Antares.


Only thing in the first 6 signs: Chiron in Taurus and North Node in Cancer.

[Fixed Cross]

Trump strikes me as a natural introvert, pretending to be an extrovert.

Makes sense. He lacks the glibness and diplomatic hypocrisy of extraverts.