Sure, but people were acting, here at least, like getting it was a near death sentence. I would tell them that 83 percent of people over 80 survive. Not to diminish the large loss of life that entails, that’s still pretty good percentages for an individual. People were being scared and are still being scared out of proportion to the threat. And this, as I said, adds to a negative placebo. And I would think the elderly would be especially vulnerable to thinking ‘this is it’ which is precisely the opposite attitude survivors of all sort of deadly illnesses are best off having.
You have to get quite high for a fever to be dangerous.
No, this is incorrect. A fever is part of the body’s attack on the infection/virus. Even a well educated person like you is under this misconception. Viruses and bacteria do not like the higher temperaures. Of course this is not enough, it is just part of the bodies response to the intrusion.
And with most fevers the body does just fine, which is precisely why we evolved to have fevers. Nothing you are saying contradicts the problem with an uninformed public thinking that these things help fight the disease, which many think, since they think of the fever as part of the virus rather than the body’s positive response to the virus. And they are given no guidelines for when to break a fever. And there are other ways to fight a very than taking pills that suppress immune response. These things are anti-immflamatories. What’s immflation, well in part it is the bodies response to the virus.
Ibuprophin is one of the worst. It is well documented to suppress the production of antibodies. Yeah, mull that over.
But it is true in general for these medicines…
Notice that, especially true regarding the people who make up the majority of the deaths by covid19, the elderly. They should not be breaking fevers unless they are very high, certainly nothing under 103F.
And, again, it is not the only way to reduce a fever. There are methods that do not inhibit immune response AT ALL and in fact may stimulate it.
And then you know people are going to take those pill for muscle pains and aches and physical discomfort, headaches which are one of the symptoms and sore throats. Now, I am sorry, we are being screamed at that this is a deadly disease, but people are not being disuaded to inhibit their immune systems because they are uncomfortable ( yes, sometimes extremely). I’m sorry, deal with that pain if the damn thing is so deadly. I had some pretty severe muscle and skin pain. Felt like broken glass under the skin. Not necessarily worse than a bad, normal flu, but different. Seriously, we are so used to not letting our bodies do their stuff. I have sympathy for wanting magic bullets and all but it’s not good for the body.
If one googles various experts you get different levels for when to intervene or when to talk to a doctor about lowering a fever. But most people know nothing about this, no government guidelines were suggested and they KNEW that people were clearing shelves of these things. There were some announcements, for example by WHO, but this did not trickle down into any widespread guidelines by the media or official government reccomendations, at least none I’ve seen. I think France might have done it but they have a nice history of being a bit more skeptical.
INtubation may do more harm than good.
Amazon? What is it up to 17 newly unemployed in the US so far. Thousands of businesses going down. I am not saying the whole shabang collapsed instantly, but the changes made early will have unfolding causes that are a breakdown. They will change the way governments have a role in society on the economic side and probably in terms of law enforcement, monitoring the public. They be the new war (drugs, terrorism being the two biggies already in place) against viruses and the bad people who won’t quarantine, vaccinate, test. They are already scrambling to increase law enforcement rights and targets, reduce privacy, increase state control of the economy and more. The disease certainly is part of this. The way the disease has been characterized, the in general maintenance of loans and rent, the pressuring people and in some countries enforcing not participating in the economy are options that were chosen. Couple with the way the disease was couched as such a high individual threat and this caused a much deeper economic effect, very fast. And somehow I knew what the actual estimates were for mortality long before it trickled down to nearly everyone. Not through any deep research, but by avoiding newsmedia and seeing what the reports actually said.
I am a bit skeptical about how they can be so sure of mortality rates, given that people are self-quantining world wide, often without getting tested.
and as a half aside, India, for example, though not just India seems to have a very low mortality rate and transmission rate.
And similar problems were created by saying masks did not help. We know, I mean, we know, that viruses in general are often contagious prior to symptoms. Sure, they couldn’t be sure about Covid19, but there was a liklihood that it would be like other viruses in this way. Still, most of the WEstern governments made this seem like a useless option. When in fact, if used at the levels of some Asian countries, could have inhibited the spread to some degree. When they adviced people there was no good reason to do this, they did not seem to realize themselves in the presentation that viruses often can be transmitted before symptoms appear. There was no loss, again, if people buy and wear the masks. They were likely to not protect the wearers - not their own mask - but to protect others.
Further in their presentation it seemed to most people I know that hand contact was the most dangerous threat. I kept telling people that the best science was that the main transmission was via the air. People would laugh at me. This was a huge failure in information presentation. So much stuff about hands. Once the virus really got a foothold in the West, then the social distancing was talked about more. Well, that’s not good timing. And they knew long before they started pressing for social distancing that the main contagious pathway was via the air. Not me saying handwashing is a bad idea, but they had people at ocd levels of handwashing and they did not understand that this was still the less likely pathway for most transmission. That was known before the disease had really gotten out of China.
I have a background in alternative medicine and I have a biology degree which I’ve enhanced through work and long interest. So I was perhaps more comfortable looking at less digessted down for public consumption information on the internet. I also know about fevers and what anti-immflamatories do. But I want to make it clear that what was being directly clearly to the public had serious flaws in it. Fundamental flaws and I knew this not because of conspiracy sites or my own intuition, but just from doing a bit of investigation into what the scientists and doctors were saying. And then through some basic physiology and disease pathology. I have been repeatedly stunned by what well educated people think ‘and knew’ thorugh the media. And then stunned by holes in the information and presentation of information by governments and agencies.