Coronavirus Hoax

Sure, but people were acting, here at least, like getting it was a near death sentence. I would tell them that 83 percent of people over 80 survive. Not to diminish the large loss of life that entails, that’s still pretty good percentages for an individual. People were being scared and are still being scared out of proportion to the threat. And this, as I said, adds to a negative placebo. And I would think the elderly would be especially vulnerable to thinking ‘this is it’ which is precisely the opposite attitude survivors of all sort of deadly illnesses are best off having.

You have to get quite high for a fever to be dangerous.

No, this is incorrect. A fever is part of the body’s attack on the infection/virus. Even a well educated person like you is under this misconception. Viruses and bacteria do not like the higher temperaures. Of course this is not enough, it is just part of the bodies response to the intrusion.

And with most fevers the body does just fine, which is precisely why we evolved to have fevers. Nothing you are saying contradicts the problem with an uninformed public thinking that these things help fight the disease, which many think, since they think of the fever as part of the virus rather than the body’s positive response to the virus. And they are given no guidelines for when to break a fever. And there are other ways to fight a very than taking pills that suppress immune response. These things are anti-immflamatories. What’s immflation, well in part it is the bodies response to the virus.

Ibuprophin is one of the worst. It is well documented to suppress the production of antibodies. Yeah, mull that over.

But it is true in general for these medicines…

Notice that, especially true regarding the people who make up the majority of the deaths by covid19, the elderly. They should not be breaking fevers unless they are very high, certainly nothing under 103F.

And, again, it is not the only way to reduce a fever. There are methods that do not inhibit immune response AT ALL and in fact may stimulate it.

And then you know people are going to take those pill for muscle pains and aches and physical discomfort, headaches which are one of the symptoms and sore throats. Now, I am sorry, we are being screamed at that this is a deadly disease, but people are not being disuaded to inhibit their immune systems because they are uncomfortable ( yes, sometimes extremely). I’m sorry, deal with that pain if the damn thing is so deadly. I had some pretty severe muscle and skin pain. Felt like broken glass under the skin. Not necessarily worse than a bad, normal flu, but different. Seriously, we are so used to not letting our bodies do their stuff. I have sympathy for wanting magic bullets and all but it’s not good for the body.

If one googles various experts you get different levels for when to intervene or when to talk to a doctor about lowering a fever. But most people know nothing about this, no government guidelines were suggested and they KNEW that people were clearing shelves of these things. There were some announcements, for example by WHO, but this did not trickle down into any widespread guidelines by the media or official government reccomendations, at least none I’ve seen. I think France might have done it but they have a nice history of being a bit more skeptical.

INtubation may do more harm than good.

Amazon? What is it up to 17 newly unemployed in the US so far. Thousands of businesses going down. I am not saying the whole shabang collapsed instantly, but the changes made early will have unfolding causes that are a breakdown. They will change the way governments have a role in society on the economic side and probably in terms of law enforcement, monitoring the public. They be the new war (drugs, terrorism being the two biggies already in place) against viruses and the bad people who won’t quarantine, vaccinate, test. They are already scrambling to increase law enforcement rights and targets, reduce privacy, increase state control of the economy and more. The disease certainly is part of this. The way the disease has been characterized, the in general maintenance of loans and rent, the pressuring people and in some countries enforcing not participating in the economy are options that were chosen. Couple with the way the disease was couched as such a high individual threat and this caused a much deeper economic effect, very fast. And somehow I knew what the actual estimates were for mortality long before it trickled down to nearly everyone. Not through any deep research, but by avoiding newsmedia and seeing what the reports actually said.

I am a bit skeptical about how they can be so sure of mortality rates, given that people are self-quantining world wide, often without getting tested.

and as a half aside, India, for example, though not just India seems to have a very low mortality rate and transmission rate.

And similar problems were created by saying masks did not help. We know, I mean, we know, that viruses in general are often contagious prior to symptoms. Sure, they couldn’t be sure about Covid19, but there was a liklihood that it would be like other viruses in this way. Still, most of the WEstern governments made this seem like a useless option. When in fact, if used at the levels of some Asian countries, could have inhibited the spread to some degree. When they adviced people there was no good reason to do this, they did not seem to realize themselves in the presentation that viruses often can be transmitted before symptoms appear. There was no loss, again, if people buy and wear the masks. They were likely to not protect the wearers - not their own mask - but to protect others.

Further in their presentation it seemed to most people I know that hand contact was the most dangerous threat. I kept telling people that the best science was that the main transmission was via the air. People would laugh at me. This was a huge failure in information presentation. So much stuff about hands. Once the virus really got a foothold in the West, then the social distancing was talked about more. Well, that’s not good timing. And they knew long before they started pressing for social distancing that the main contagious pathway was via the air. Not me saying handwashing is a bad idea, but they had people at ocd levels of handwashing and they did not understand that this was still the less likely pathway for most transmission. That was known before the disease had really gotten out of China.

I have a background in alternative medicine and I have a biology degree which I’ve enhanced through work and long interest. So I was perhaps more comfortable looking at less digessted down for public consumption information on the internet. I also know about fevers and what anti-immflamatories do. But I want to make it clear that what was being directly clearly to the public had serious flaws in it. Fundamental flaws and I knew this not because of conspiracy sites or my own intuition, but just from doing a bit of investigation into what the scientists and doctors were saying. And then through some basic physiology and disease pathology. I have been repeatedly stunned by what well educated people think ‘and knew’ thorugh the media. And then stunned by holes in the information and presentation of information by governments and agencies.

No, Carleas, the death rate is very LOW. Nothing like the hysterics and panic the Liberal-Left and Mass-Media-Mob is pushing for.

The damage to the economy, however, is very real, and will be 10x or 100x more destructive than this virus HOAX.

When fear is 100x more destructive than actual diseases, you know, there is something very wrong with society, a much deeper illness underneath.

I don’t know about Africans, but African-Americans and Caribbeans tend to develop hypertension and diabetes etc., due to poor diet and lifestyle choices. The medication that they’re on to help control their conditions isn’t helping their situation either, and so their weakened systems more easily succumb to toxins and viruses.

Just the internal physiological stress going on inside their bodies is enough to kill them, without the presence of a virus.

Vaccines aren’t what they used to be… they have now become weaponised, and their utility of once being good has now become bad.

Totally agree, but that’s not the agenda that the vaccine manufacturers are following, in having allowed very toxic components to be in their products… as noted by the anti deep state crew.

It’s like people are simply running out of steam… something that takes weeks if not months to recover from.

Well here, the government are recommending that we eat healthily, exercise, and stay hydrated etc., but I ain’t seeing that on the Whitehouse IG newsfeed… only updates and reminders to self-isolate.

Thanks for posting this.

There you go, some of their predictions (which factored in the effects of social distancing) were several times worse than what ended up happening.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, decimating tens of millions of lives to give tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands for that matter), most of them in their 70s and 80s with multiple comorbidities, a slight extension of their lives (assuming there aren’t as many or more old people dying from measures taken to prevent Covid as there are dying from Covid itself), makes absolutely no sense + I’m pretty sure it’s unconstitutional in the US.

Lastly, if there’s a good chance you’ll die from Covid already, there’s no harm in experimenting with drugs that’ve shown to be effective in treating similar conditions, even if the drugs have some risks.
How else are we going to figure out what drugs are effective?
Someone has to be the guinea pig, and who better than someone who has little chance of living anyway?
And it’s doctors administering this drug, because they think it’s worthwhile.

But if you have ulterior motives for shutting down millions of jobs, small businesses, churches and communities, for wanting to chip and vaccinate everyone, which they obviously do, then the last thing you want is for some miracle drug to come along and save tens of thousands of lives, that’d really fuck up your whole plan.

1800 US deaths in 24 hours, the Nation with the highest death rate… though check-ins to hospitals have drastically declined.

The EU have put together a half-a-trillion Euro care package, for businesses and workers, but have refused requests from the poorer European countries to share debts incurred equally across the countries.

The deep state cares little for the environment, by far and away they’re the biggest consumers and polluters.
They’re willing to sacrifice our lives for themselves and maybe, for the environment, but not their own extravagant lives.
If they gave back most of the wealth they stole, if the cost of living was where it should be, we wouldn’t have to produce, consume and pollute nearly as much as we do, and many of us wouldn’t.

I’m not sure it was necessary to reduce population growth under the guise of progressivism, but even if it was, it’s surely unnecessary to reduce the population after its stopped growing or its growth has slowed to a crawl.
Whites and yellows aren’t replacing themselves and browns, just barely.
The only population that’s exploding right now is African blacks.
But they continue to amplify their depopulation measures all over the world.
They want to get it down to something like a 10th of what it is.

Call it what you want, call it the cryptocracy, the deep state, the shadow government, the NWO, the illuminati, whatever’s fashionable.
They exist, they’ve already admitted they exist.

Carroll Quigley from Tragedy and Hope.

Historian Carroll Quigley affirmed the existence of an Anglo-American deep state, his only objection was they’re not exactly communists, altho they’ll work with communists and anyone for that matter to achieve, whatever their ends are.

i agree with all that but it’s overly apologetic and a bit exaggerated. whatever kind of system exists in five hundred years, none of them will include a population of less than five or six billion people… however they are arranged economically. capitalism could expand forever, creating monopolies that are so extensive they look like socialism in a political form. corporatism, essentially, but on much larger scales. governments run like companies… or rather only a few companies that are so powerful they become part of government or all of government. to us this would look like a socialist revolution and in a sense would be. it would mean the superpowers became so powerful that they were able to democratize the means of production and create a socialist state without losing any power. that is to say an abundance of material wealth was able to be ‘re-distributed’ more evenly without it jeopardizing the wealth of the very few corporations responsible for organizing the economy. the system became so rich that it could afford to produce a socialist like government and still profit from it… a privatized socialist government, as oxymoronic as that sounds.

anyway my point is that however the future will be, there’s no real necessity to assume it would have to involve intentional mass exterminations. measures put into place to control populations, yes, but not any deliberate targeting of a population with germ warfare to quickly an succinctly dispose of them. that’s really not necessary… and the deepstatists know that. they prefer to not have to do that. they don’t wanna do that. they don’t have to do that.

you know what it comes down to? real estate. instead of depopulating your planet, you do the simpler thing and expand territory to disperse those populations throughout and make them productive in their respective place.

world government is like a sims game, dude. any kid with a computer could run a country. it’s that easy.

Corporatism and state capitalism is not socialism, they don’t benefit the proletariat.
Corporatist and state capitalist monopolies aren’t better than private monopolies, they’re worse, for you can’t monopolize the economy as effectively without government as you can with it.

It sounds like for you, all government is benign.
It’s not.
Just because government gets involved in business, doesn’t mean it’s looking out for our interests, or even that our interests will be taken care of as a by-product of it looking out for its own.

I’m in favor of a mixed economy.
I think big businesses should be partly or fully nationalized, and socialized, and/or syndicated and/or cooperativized and/or taxed to prop up small businesses and the poor.
But just because government gets involved in the economy, doesn’t mean that’s what’s occurring, instead it can get involved in the economy solely to further its own interests and/or the interests of private corporations.

For the most part we live in an oligopolic oligarchy, not a democracy.
Nothing’s being democratized.

Yup, an oligarchic government together with a handful of corporations will own most or all things.
We’ll be helpless, hapless and dependent on them.
But what’s the point of monopolizing the means of production if you’re just going to spread the goods around?
No they’re only going to give us just enough to pacify us, in exchange for our liberty.
They’ll continue replacing as many of us with Ai and machines as they possibly can.
They want a world populated by themselves and machines they have absolute control over, not with us.

Yup, easy peasy.
Just give government a complete monopoly, and uncle Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Un will take care of us.

Ummmm… saying ‘I assume’ in the post above was rhetorical. It’s like saying “One can expect…”. You’ve taken my quote out of context to make it appear as something it was not.

Of course, coronavirus tests have threshold and/or additional criteria specifically designed so they only pick up significant amounts of coronavirus DNA. That was my point. Other tests have ways of ignoring insignificant data so I ‘assumed’ (i.e.I expected) coronavirus tests must do the same and your link confirms it.

Rather than waste your time trying to find fault in unimportant minutia, why don’t you find a link that shows us how many deaths the CDC ‘presumed’ to have COVID-19 without even testing (see below). Is it 10% fake? 50% fake? 80% fake? This is not just important; this is fraud and the mockingbird media just parrot these made-up numbers without questioning.

Utah ICU Nurse of thirty years blows the whistle “COVID-19 is manufactured crisis”

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZ-DW5LVCs[/youtube]
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The biowarfare angle rather convincing and it is beginning to feel like a cover-up, .

The other angle is that a nuclear war would have been much less preferred for it would have totally destroyed all of humanity .

This hypothesis is more likely then any other, at this point.

The psycho-social angle of viral predominance may be part of the cover.

But why? Perhaps population-control became a necessity, at this critical phase of our evolution.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ROuK62s84[/youtube]

[u]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic[/u]

Gee, where’ve I heard that before?
Kind of like how a tiny % of powerful families and corporations monopolized our main politicians?

Everything relevant we need to know about all that was already written by your boy Engels. If political participation is determined by your level of wealth, law making in general is going to trend toward the preservation of the wealth in the wealthy families… who are coincidentally the only ones who have a vote. Once private property laws are passed, the next thing to be privatized is industry. Now the wealthy become even more wealthy by buying labor power, and they have an interest in keeping things that way so they can continue to do so.

Yeah oligarchy is as old as the hills and one of the first political systems to have ever existed for groups of people larger than fifteen. It’s a quite natural kind of order, though. What makes it obscene nowdays is it’s scale. when dudes like bezos are legally amassing all that money while others are struggling with three jobs… that’s market oligarchy. It is glaring in a way it never before has. This kind of wealth disparity was unheard of until the medieval era, and even then probably not comparable still.

But oligarchy isn’t unnatural or ‘wrong’ and I’ve seen strong arguments in its favor. It’s just one of the many ways systems can be governed. It’s got its own checks and balances like any other.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/M6A-fAvEEpI/