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Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:13 pm

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Its not unlikely as now scientists recognize that there are lifeforms composed of more violable chemicals than our own in strange conditions of small planets like Venus or moons like Titan. Perhaps this is why aliens hide in chemicals. Maybe they are literally etheric, emergent of physical places but known to us only through alterations in our own brain.
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Meno_ » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:42 pm

Interesting

What if the new and strange strains of viruses coming in
May they be incredibly intelligent aliens, changing and downgrading human existence through lowered immunity, to soften up human biological systems, so that later on they can attack in force.
The HIB virus so far, has trumpeted science's ability to avoid incredilous behavior on their part to change biochemical structure , that combats billions of dollars worth of research to fight their very keen success to modify their immunological resistance, thereby winning?
Early on , Strict moralists viewed this clever, chamilion like behavior as some sort of sign of a moral imperative.
The Vatican still holds moral absolutism in terms of structural deficiency.
Perhaps , there is a biochemical basis
that favors genetic causation, more then the trumped about idea of the superiority of nurture .
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:06 pm

I think they're probably more primitive than we are since operating as solid entities walking around freely is really more demanding than being an electrochemicial form. It is, let us say, more absurd.
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Meno_ » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:54 am

Degrees of individual intelligence evolved from very basic social programs that react to natural instinct.
The idea that humanity has repressed. A basic instinct of the group Mon D. Is fairly evident, the so whole idea of.civilisation is partly a cover to favor the individual.
And at this stage of history, that is wjat is at stake, as repressed social forms are being integrated within the expressed ideas of western ideas, rather then letting perennial cultural forms evolve.
It appears that we are.running out of time, simulated intelligence, artificial city, does not afford an individual reference to knowledge in the axaptovr fashion, increasing short cuts of programs have to be shortened, simplified.
A kid today as young as 5, has an intelligence machine in his hand, that in the early days ofnUNIVAC, HONEYWELL, and IBM, took A huge room to occupy.
Simplification is a necessity to learning, at the very least, as kids learn to derive quadratic equation once, they are not expected to sequentially run through the proof again and again.
It is the memory it's self that is destrutured, to accomodate knowlesgr acquisition at ever faster levels of multiple of hyper levels.
The original hypothesis may at some point will cede as a reference point.
The programs depending on objects, at some point disintegrate such objectivity.

The difference between object and objectivity has been intuitef, by sense and sensibility.

This is what the end of history entails, the dissasociation of memory.
That is why psychoanalysis has lost its premise, that of recapturing symbolic reference.

These formal structural arrangements become the philosophy multitudes of bubbles, and foams. The.hyperreactive tie ins of symbolic hierarchies can no longer be structurally supported.
The real architecture of the structural basis of knowledge has to adopt the simulative.
Affectivity replaces effectivity as the form of cogniscensibility over cogniscience.
Science will reach the point of the great bubble in a generation or so.
Then what? The primitive/behaviorist will conflate with the complex theorist.
History will short any.measurable difference.
Overload? It will ground it's self in any case.
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby surreptitious75 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:42 am

Fixed Cross wrote:
I think they re probably more primitive than we are

But they are also more resilient if they are existing on a world far outside the ideal by human standards for life to evolve
They need less light and heat and have a tolerance for extreme temperatures so are therefore better adapted for survival

Although there are extremophiles here on Earth too that can survive very extreme conditions and they are also microscopic entities
The most primitive form of life here is bacteria so extreme survival would appear to be more guaranteed the smaller an organism is

Titan incidentally is an ice world so its not remotely surprising that some form of life albeit a very primitive one could be found there
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Meno_ » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:38 pm

By very large brush strokes , primitivotu and intelligence are inversely proportional.
The deception in transformation and resistance through internal structural modification, is indigenous of very small lifeforms.
Analogous to those kind of beings, is the cunning exhibited by those of lesser character, that can 'fool' the mighty and the learned.
Instinct can trump learning , and intelligence cam become a sort of two edged sword.
Deception of the rarest kind does have perverse utility.
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:47 pm

Intelligence is more or less understood by us to mean the capacity to fulfill functions often beyond expectations and to create possibilities for the fulfillment of requirements and aid the strength of the being that is also intelligent, to fulfill them. So intelligence is largely in whether or not purposes are being attained. Be it the purpose of solving an iq test puzzle or of manifesting a merciful presence in a tight spot, it is a means to an end. It is not something in itself, it seems. Intelligence is certainly a means to power which is itself a power. A power to do what, however. Physical strength is a power to exclude, to assert - intelligence a power to include, to agree. Intelligence itself is therefore always creative, though its purposes are of all kinds. Therefore it is apprehensive, and doesn't extend freely, but waits for its chance. It lets force do its thing and then uses that. So the capacity to work with forms, to recognize patterns, and to make different machineries work together without compromising any, all intelligent, and this would come to be present on Titan or Venus or anywhere else to produce life. Im not sure about the climate on Titan - but in general Id say a great deal of electrical discharging into the chemical soup is required to make life a plausible outcome.
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Gloominary » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:40 am

If there's more to outer space than emptiness and big balls of rock, gas and fire, don't expect to hear anything about it from government agencies.
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:11 am

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"Russia, the country with the most extensive record of exploring Venus, is planning a comeback in collaboration with the US. The most exciting outcome would be finding life high in the clouds of its super dense atmosphere.
Between Earth's two neighbors Mars has been receiving most scientific attention, partially because it's the better candidate for future manned expeditions and colonization. Venus with its hostile conditions on the surface was given the cold shower with only two non-flyby missions – ESA's Venus Express and JAXA's Akatsuki launched since the turn of the century.

Yet Venus may be better than Mars in answering one key question: whether life is exclusive to Earth. Russia, which has the distinction of being the world's most dedicated explorer of the planet thanks to Soviet Venera and Vega programs, plans to try and find the answer sometime around 2030.

"Life in Venus clouds will be exciting thing to look for. So far, there is no evidence that says it cannot be there. And it will be one of the goals of the mission," said Lyudmila Zasova of Russia's Space Research Institute."

https://www.rt.com/news/472925-russia-n ... s-mission/
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Persefonie » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:04 am

There are many 'types' of life forms. .. but let's be clear.

Do you mean Carbon based life forms?

Scientists speculate that there may be other xeno life forms base on silicone, ammonia, hydrogen azotosme etc instead of carbon.

We have also created other types of nucleic compounds such as xna and hna, and have also created synthetic 'creatures' of sorts using novel DNA blocks.

Nothing new here people, this goes way back to the 70's even when they held the Asimolar conference on DNA safety, as back then they didn't know what would happen if you started to tamper with DNA. For all they knew it could have been the equivalent of a nuclear bomb with widespread consequences.

Please indulge in some reading if you like, I've included the most interesting articles, with the first the one to read even if you decide you've had enough for tonight. The last article is taken from the 1970's Asimolar conference on recombinant DNA.

Enjoy

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2909387/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... na-or-rna/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 143117.htm
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... life-forms
https://www.nature.com/articles/455290a
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Re: Titan's Chemical Aliens

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:45 pm

Venus' atmosphere is almost pure carbon dioxide, and as a centre for patterns carbon is perfect. But Im heartened to know there is some knowledge in existence around this subject. Ill look into these other substances.

Indeed the key question is whether complex self replicating molecules, essentially biological computers, could arise using other elements or at least a different structure.
On the one hand, great heat (still remote from being able to disturb nuclear forces) is conducive of fast changes, and given the density of Venus' atmosphere, the chances of nature randomly hitting a the self replicating formation are probably there.
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