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Another insanity- that orbiting electrons don't radiate

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:22 pm
by helper
Electrons may not radiate emr
as they orbit,
but they do radiate.
They are changing direction
rapidly and continuously in Space.
Space is not empty; Space is as full
as full can be.
Space is Infinitely Full: there is and can
be no smallest thing, and everything is made
of something, all the turtles Russian Dolls way
down.
Electrons everywhere give off ripples in
this Infinitely-recurring Space,
and it is this pressure from all matter that
is absorbed by matter and results in Gravity
and Inertia.

Re: Another insanity- that orbiting electrons don't radiate

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:58 pm
by James S Saint
helper wrote:Electrons may not radiate emr
as they orbit,
but they do radiate.
They are changing direction
rapidly and continuously in Space.
Space is not empty; Space is as full
as full can be.
Space is Infinitely Full: there is and can
be no smallest thing, and everything is made
of something, all the turtles Russian Dolls way
down.
Electrons everywhere give off ripples in
this Infinitely-recurring Space,

I precisely agree up to that point.

helper wrote:and it is this pressure from all matter that
is absorbed by matter and results in Gravity
and Inertia.

But the word "pressure" is imprecisely applied. There is no "pressure" in space, but rather constant interaction creating delays that form clusters. At times those clusters become so tremendously dense that we call the particles of mass that maintain a cloud of heavier interaction around them where ever they go, "gravitation".

Re: Another insanity- that orbiting electrons don't radiate

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:15 pm
by Amorphos
^^ Not gravity waves then.

I often wonder about ‘space’ and I agree with the op that it can’t exist - if that’s what was meant, however, existence does have values and hence limits, as well as a beginning. It could be cyclic, but you end up with the same conundrum. For me that can only mean that reality is greater than universe and has something else outside of universe et al [all of it over all its time].

Re: Another insanity- that orbiting electrons don't radiate

PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:34 pm
by James S Saint
Amorphos wrote:^^ Not gravity waves then.

Gravity waves will still occur. But such waves are more complex than mere EMR propagation, and certainly slower.

Amorphos wrote:I often wonder about ‘space’ and I agree with the op that it can’t exist - if that’s what was meant, however, existence does have values and hence limits, as well as a beginning. It could be cyclic, but you end up with the same conundrum. For me that can only mean that reality is greater than universe and has something else outside of universe et al [all of it over all its time].

There could never have been a beginning because there could never have been a total emptiness, nor can there ever be an end.

Re: Another insanity- that orbiting electrons don't radiate

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:01 am
by Amorphos
There could never have been a beginning because there could never have been a total emptiness, nor can there ever be an end.


That’s true concerning an infinite reality i.e. that from which the universe came. There cannot be a nothingness but a oneness can surely be empty if e.g. when you balance opposites [all particles are] you can get ‘nothing’ as in nothing with values. The universe did have a beginning, and yes there could have been something there before, but ultimately you arrive at a beginning. Reality itself cannot have cardinality but can contain iterations of that and can manifest it from emptiness/oneness.
That presents a conundrum and a duality [paradox], but that duality has to be part of reality such for the whole thing to be resolved. This in turn means there has to be something external to manifest existence, something which does that rabbit from a hat trick. The god mercury for example or something akin to the principles of. Without that ability there could never have existed anything.

Re: Another insanity- that orbiting electrons don't radiate

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:31 am
by James S Saint
Amorphos wrote:
There could never have been a beginning because there could never have been a total emptiness, nor can there ever be an end.


That’s true concerning an infinite reality

That is what the "universe" is.

Amorphos wrote:The universe did have a beginning, and yes there could have been something there before, but ultimately you arrive at a beginning.

Not so.

Amorphos wrote:Reality itself cannot have cardinality but can contain iterations of that and can manifest it from emptiness/oneness.

There can never be total homogeneity in even the smallest portion of reality/universe.