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Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:37 pm

Fire moves with the Flux, it transmorphs and moves through time, consuming energy and information. How do we know fire cannot "feel" or be aware?
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby gib » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:50 am

This is like a Turd question.

I don't think fire is sentient in the sense that it experiences sensation. Maybe something like emotion or thought.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby James S Saint » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:57 am

gib wrote:This is like a Turd question.

I don't think fire is sentient in the sense that it experiences sensation. Maybe something like emotion or thought.

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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby -1- » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:24 am

fire is an oxydization process in which two masses of higher-energy states combine, giving out extra energy in the form of heat.

Why on earth anyone would think this is a sentient process is beyond me. It can be thought of it, yes, but only, and only if, you throw away all theories about biological theories of seeking a "comfort zone". Because there is no adaptive and no differential behaviour between two fires and their circumstances. Heat something oxydizable, so its molecular agitation level reaches a threshold, and supply ogygen, and bang, you can't not but ignite fire.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:40 am

gib wrote:
This is like a Turd question

No this is like a Trixie question

She always posts nonsense like this
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:34 pm

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Why on earth anyone would think this is a sentient process is beyond me

Our Trixie has a very fertile imagination so best not to take anything she says too seriously
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:22 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
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Why on earth anyone would think this is a sentient process is beyond me

Our Trixie has a very fertile imagination so best not to take anything she says too seriously

So you never had such questions growing up?

You must have a very unfertile imagination...
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby -1- » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:10 pm

MagsJ wrote:
You must have a very unfertile imagination...


My imagination is the shits.

(When I was a kid, it was different... it was more like manure.)

One thing is for sure: my imagination never got pregnant.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:27 pm

gib wrote:This is like a Turd question.

I don't think fire is sentient in the sense that it experiences sensation. Maybe something like emotion or thought.


Doesn't emotion and thought require a brain, gib?


If fire were sentient, I would say that there would be no children burned or badly burned by it.
If it had such self-awareness, it would not allow the suffering of children.
But then I'm being subjective here.

But then again, Hitler and Stalin, ad continuum, were sentient...up to a point.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby gib » Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:32 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Doesn't emotion and thought require a brain, gib?


That's why I said something like emotion or thought.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:18 pm

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Arcturus Descending wrote:Doesn't emotion and thought require a brain, gib?


That's why I said something like emotion or thought.


Like for instance? :mrgreen:
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby gib » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:31 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote: Like for instance? :mrgreen:


Well, we can't say. The only kinds of experiences we are familiar with require a human brain, like you said. We can't say the fire experience pain or pleasure, cold or hot, that it "sees" or "hears", or thinks this or that, or feels anger, fear, happiness, etc. We can only say it might be something like these things.

I certainly don't think the experience is anything like sensation. I think sensation requires some kind of input from a trigger, or a signal coming from some event on the outside--like a switch turning on a light--but fire seems different from that kind of process.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby demoralized » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:48 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Fire moves with the Flux, it transmorphs and moves through time, consuming energy and information. How do we know fire cannot "feel" or be aware?


Who is to say we are not burning now?
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:14 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
But then again, Hitler and Stalin, ad continuum, were sentient...up to a point.


Hitler was a vegetarian. He cared about animals and helped animal rights. He was probably more sentient than the billions of mindless barbarians on this planet who could care less about animal rights. How are you gonna tell me that a bunch of mindless barbarians who dont care about animal rights are more sentient than a vegetarian.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:32 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
But then again, Hitler and Stalin, ad continuum, were sentient...up to a point.


Hitler was a vegetarian. He cared about animals and helped animal rights. He was probably more sentient than the billions of mindless barbarians on this planet who could care less about animal rights. How are you gonna tell me that a bunch of mindless barbarians who dont care about animal rights are more sentient than a vegetarian.


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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby surreptitious57 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:14 pm


Never take Trixie too seriously as most of what she says is nonsense
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby gib » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:30 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Hitler was a vegetarian. He cared about animals and helped animal rights. He was probably more sentient than the billions of mindless barbarians on this planet who could care less about animal rights. How are you gonna tell me that a bunch of mindless barbarians who dont care about animal rights are more sentient than a vegetarian.


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Well, let's not be too hasty, Arc.

It is an interesting point. If Hitler really was a vegetarian, how would he look from an animal's point of few? I mean, supposing cows could be as aware of world events and their roles in life as we are, how would they view their position as live stalk? Bread and raised on farms, or in tight, dingy stalls, only to one day be lead to the slaughter so that human beings can enjoy a nice juicy steak with a glass of wine at a fancy restaurant? Is such a life really all that different from that within a concentration camp? And then if they hear about this one human being named Hitler, who devotes his life to not slaughtering animals, would he be viewed by cows as a saint? A hero?

Trixie seems to be to be defending Hitler with her remark. I'm not saying we have to do the same. But it's an interesting point if only as something to think about in a purely philosophical context. It really does bring out a contrast, maybe some cognitive dissonance, in an image most of us, rightly or wrongly, take for granted.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:55 pm

ww2 happened because humans refuse to change their ways. 5 billion babies scream in agony as their penises are brutally circumcized and butchered. the screams multiplied and added to the death screams of the gasshowers. if a say circumcision is evil noone listens. anger and evil manifests. hate doesnt come from nowhere.

humans are a cacophony of evil. you cannot reason with a human, they are all insane.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:26 pm

The dead don't remember their own screams. Just like babies. Or do they? There is a certain past life resonance felt on a psychic spiritual level. Perhaps causing the world to become less and less primordial, more and more conscious of the light.

When a human cannot be reasoned with, when they continue to do violence and cannot hear the voice of reason, that circumcision is wrong and evil to torture and butcher baby penises, violence is the only thing they will understand, only thing such cretins will respond to. They are simple minds.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:29 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Never take Trixie too seriously as most of what she says is nonsense


How much of what you say and do, is more than a baseline primordial reflex? Like an organ you touch and reflexively jumps away? How much thought do you actually put into your life and daily living? Or do you just dwell in the narcissistic comforts of believing you will eternally nonexist, your fantasy delusions of the afterlife? Comfort thoughts without depth or thinking?

If I am a white explorer going into africa, and i encounter a legion of baboons apes and gorillas, and I flee and drop a pouch full of mathematical equations and diagrams, the baboons apes and gorillas would consider my sketches "nonsense" because it is under their radar?

How much of it is that we have raced so far ahead of you, lapped you several times, and what you percieve to be behind you is several laps in front?
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby surreptitious57 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:02 pm

When I die I will discover whether or not there is an afterlife so in the short time between now and then it is academic
what I think but the reason I do not think it exists is because there is precisely zero evidence to support the propostion

You have raced so far ahead but still are no closer to building your DNA machine which at this rate will never get built at all
I have already told you if you are serious you need to start making steps to get it built not just talk about it on here non stop
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:38 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:When I die I will discover whether or not there is an afterlife so in the short time between now and then it is academic
what I think but the reason I do not think it exists is because there is precisely zero evidence to support the propostion

You have raced so far ahead but still are no closer to building your DNA machine which at this rate will never get built at all
I have already told you if you are serious you need to start making steps to get it built not just talk about it on here non stop


Need to get the money. Once I get the money I will have the power to build.

Reincarnation equation is more important than DNA machine, has a 65% 35% percent priority over the DNA machine. We need to figure out the reincarnation equation before we die so we can alter the outcome of the afterlife if need be. DNA machine has a 50% chance of immortality thus a 35% priority since it will extend our science research time extension.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:39 pm

Serum of genius is the most logical move, once we have that the dna machine and reincarnation equation will come easy.
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby demoralized » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:37 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:dna machine and reincarnation equation will come easy.


I think an empathy of existence for a "lesser" DNA will outweigh the mandate of being one type of DNA.

I believe that at worst , it's similar to a racism question (lets assume all people are one race and races are compared to much smaller variations of DNA).
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Re: Is Fire Sentient?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:41 pm

Reason i want DNA machine is to cure ugliness. Men shouldnt not have to be trapped in a man's body, i am a hot lesbian in the wrong body.

DNA machine will save animals, will make people nicer people and increase quality of music. Sick of bieber and rap everywhere.
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