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Postby Dan~ » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:54 pm

Joe is interested in physics, so we talk about physics.

He doesn't believe in a single big bang, or a big crunch.
Disagrees with Einstein and Hawking.

My own sense of physics is rather simple.
The things that do exist do so because of it being highly probable.
Improbable things are not exist or rarely exist.
Probability is basically the true nature of matter.
The true nature of reality, is to express itself in the easiest most common way.
Minimalism on a universal scale.
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Re: Physics

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:04 pm

I cannot speak for probably and improbably things....

think of the beginning of our solar system.....
you have seen the video's.... of our beginning where
the system is in chaos or disorder...
you have seen where there are many different types of
rocks floating about our system and rocks were hitting each
other and slowly over millions of years the disorder of thousands
of rocks hitting each other lessen because rocks would combine
into bigger and bigger rocks... as the accumulation of debris
in our solar system began to turn into planets and the sun...
the disorder in the solar system grew less and less. the
creator of order in the solar system is the disorder
grew less and less, the stability of the solar system increased......
now this doesn't happen in a few years, we are talking about
millions of years.....the problem with most people is they never
account for time in their thinking about have matter, space,
time and energy, for at one time, these four things were exactly the same thing,
during the big bang......
the history of the universe and the history of physics is disorder to order and
the inevitably return to we are in the middle of this flux,
we cannot see exactly what point we are at, because of the space in the
universe and space is time....The distance between the next star and us is not
just distance but time for they are one and the same, distance and time are the
the same thing... if something is X number of miles away, then it is X number amount
of time away... if matter and energy is the same, then distance and time are the same....
so you have gravity left and what initially created gravity?
an ever so slight imbalance in the universe....
for example, if everything in the beginning weight the exact same thing,
our universe would have not formed, but because there was a slight
difference in weight in the matter right at the beginning of the universe,
this slight difference in weight, created motion as matter begin to clump
together this created greater and greater clumps of matter which affected more and
more surrounding areas which began to move toward these clumps of matter...
Once motion began, it continued because matter would continued to change position
and change the balance of the area after millions of years, the clumping became
enough to create a star and from that small start, we grow the universe into today....
all because matter was ever so slightly different weight in the beginning......
order grows from ideas like gravity and disorder grows from a lack of gravity or
a lack of something to hold the object together... isn't this a perfect description
of our society today? lack of something to hold it together....... we lack something
like gravity to pull our society together.....

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wind up with neither."
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Re: Physics

Postby Dan~ » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:14 pm

I don't believe in a single big bang.
I think there was lots of bangs, at different points in time.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks for contributing to the thread.
You've explained what disorder means to you.
My own definition of disorder is different.
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Re: Physics

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:00 am

Peter : that is an accurate account of how everything came to be
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Re: Physics

Postby James S Saint » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:12 am

      There was no beginning of the changing that the universe is.
      Time is the measure of relative changing between two moments.
      Distance is the measure of how much changing between two positions.
That is why Relativity Theory yields better measurements than Newtonian presumptions. Relativity theory itself is not true with reality either, but a good tool for most high speed, time and distance related, events.
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