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Postby socratus » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:41 am

Scientific logic. / by Socratus /
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Part one: macro – cosmic scientific logic.
a)
14 billion years ago the billions and billions of galaxies were
compressed into a “hot singular point”. It means that the four
forces of nature (electromagnetic, strong, weak and gravity) also
were compressed into one “singular point”- into one “singular force”.
b)
During the earliest moments following big bang explosion –
- roughly the first 10^-43 seconds – the temperature and density
of the universe had cooled to a balmy 10^15 degrees Celsius
and the four forces of nature went their separate ways.

Part two: micro – quantum scientific logic.

Scientists try to unify four fundamental forces of nature:
a)
In 1979 the Nobel Prize was awarded to physicists who
merged electromagnetic and the weak nuclear forces in a single
framework: electroweak theory.
“The existence of the electroweak interactions was experimentally
established in two stages, the first being the discovery of neutral
currents in neutrino scattering by the Gargamelle collaboration in 1973,
and the second in 1983 by the UA1 and the UA2 collaborations that
involved the discovery of the W and Z gauge bosons in
proton–antiproton collisions at the converted Super Proton Synchrotron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_interaction
b)
Physicists believe that at very high energies, the electroweak and
the strong forces would behave as one.
That unification is known as the search for a “grand unified theory”
c)
Physicists believe that at very – very high energies (!) all four
fundamental forces of nature would behave as one. That project
is known as the search for a “theory of everything”.
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My conclusion.
At the earth’s conditions we cannot reach the cosmic conditions.
It means we cannot merge all four fundamental forces of nature.
It means we don’t need more powerful LHC (useless machine)
It means the CERN project can be taken in archives.
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“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat:
"we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby James S Saint » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:49 am

socratus wrote:Scientific logic. / by Socratus /
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Part one: macro – cosmic scientific logic.
a)
14 billion years ago the billions and billions of galaxies were
compressed into a “hot singular point”.

BS.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby Arminius » Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:08 pm

socratus wrote:14 billion years ago the billions and billions of galaxies were
compressed into a “hot singular point”. It means that the four
forces of nature (electromagnetic, strong, weak and gravity) also
were compressed into one “singular point”- into one “singular force”.

So they led to a "big bang", but:
socratus wrote:Big bang is scientific fantasy . . . .

So they did not lead to a "big bang".

Okay.

The following picture was posted by you in your "Big Bang and Black Hole" thread.

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So are you saying that they led to a "black hole" and then to a "quantum foam"?
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:13 am

a) At first scientists compressed all masses and forces
into a “hot singular point”.
b) Then they separated all masses and forces in their ways.
c) Today they want compressed all forces into one single force.
d) Remember: in the Alice’s Wonderland the people in the
cosmology, gravity and particle programs don’t ask question
“Where did the masses and forces (for singularity, big bang
and existence) come from?”
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:18 am

@ Arminius
"big bang" and “black hole”
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Postby socratus » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:31 am

socratus wrote:@ Arminius
"big bang" and “black hole”
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What the big bang creates the black hole takes away.
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Postby Arminius » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:04 am

socratus wrote:a) At first scientists compressed all masses and forces
into a “hot singular point”.
b) Then they separated all masses and forces in their ways.
c) Today they want compressed all forces into one single force.
d) Remember: in the Alice’s Wonderland the people in the
cosmology, gravity and particle programs don’t ask question
“Where did the masses and forces (for singularity, big bang
and existence) come from?”
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socratus wrote:
socratus wrote:@ Arminius
"big bang" and “black hole”
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What the big bang creates the black hole takes away.
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What the big bank creates the debt takes away.

Arminius wrote:It is certainly no coincidence that two similar beliefs occured and became dogmas at the same time: (1) the belief that the big bank can create the money out of nothing; (2) the bielef that the big bang can create the universe out of nothing,
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Postby socratus » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:00 am

socratus wrote:
socratus wrote:@ Arminius
"big bang" and “black hole”
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What the big bang creates the black hole takes away.
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What big bang creates black hole takes away . . . (maybe into singular point)

It is modern scientific “logic” as logic of real science
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby James S Saint » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:22 am

The theory is that there was only one singularity from which ALL the universe sprang. But all of the universe, even their imagined tiny universe, has countless black-holes.

I suspect that your logic might be missing something.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:15 am

James S Saint wrote: But all of the universe, even their imagined tiny universe, has countless black-holes.

I suspect that your logic might be missing something.


But all of the universe . . . . . has countless black-holes.
These countless black-holes take masses and forces of “all of the universe" away
According to modern scientific “logic” as logic of science

I suspect that your logic might be missing something.
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Postby socratus » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:07 pm

Logic: big bang and antimatter.
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Every particle is accompanied by an antiparticle.
Collectively, antiparticles are known as antimatter.
So, the Universe is a mixture of matter and antimatter.
When a particle encounters an antiparticle, mutual
annihilation results, with the release of all the locked-up energy.
It means, that billions and billions particles-antiparticles wouldn’t
allow to gather all masses of Universe into big-bang’s singular point.
There is only one possibility: or antiparticles don’t exist or
big-bang’s singular point never was created.
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:19 am

Scientific logic: . . . ? !

Everybody takes it for granted that all material things must be
somewhere and each particle must have a definite place of location.
After all, how can a particle truly exist if it isn’t somewhere?
Bat big bang’s singular point doesn’t have location, doesn’t
have reference frame according to the physicists opinion.
Without location, without reference frame singular point / big bang
is a new bible story. Without reference frame the so-called theory is
only a scientific fiction. Trying to understand their own invention
physicists say that here human’s rational, logical common sense
“collapsed into oblivion”, “commonsense notions are shattered”.
#
More correct:
we need a new theory which is based on commonsense notions.
It means:
a) The theory needs reference frame.
b) The quantum particle needs geometrical form.
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:11 am

The essence of motion.
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There are two states of love:
a) The state “I love”
b) The state “ to be loved”
Everybody knows that they are two different states.

There are two states of motion:
a) The state “I move” (self-motion)
b) The state “ to be moved”
Everybody knows that they are two different states.

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What set particles / objects in motion?
a) Newton’s theory explains movement as subject of
“ to be moved”: outwards forces set objects in motion,
b) Quantum theory explains movement as subject of “ I move”
(self-motion): internal forces (h and h*) set particles in motion.
This deference doesn’t understand in Physics.

#
Newtonian macro-world was created from quantum micro-world.
It means that the source of all motion and change in Nature is
quantum’s own self-impulses: h and h*
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:03 am

socratus wrote:The essence of motion.
==..
There are two states of love:
a) The state “I love”
b) The state “ to be loved”
Everybody knows that they are two different states.

There are two states of motion:
a) The state “I move” (self-motion)
b) The state “ to be moved”
Everybody knows that they are two different states.

#
What set particles / objects in motion?
a) Newton’s theory explains movement as subject of
“ to be moved”: outwards forces set objects in motion,
b) Quantum theory explains movement as subject of “ I move”
(self-motion): internal forces (h and h*) set particles in motion.
This deference doesn’t understand in Physics.

#
Newtonian macro-world was created from quantum micro-world.
It means that the source of all motion and change in Nature is
quantum’s own self-impulses: h and h*
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Newtonian macro-world was created from quantum micro-world.
It means that the source of all motion and change in Nature is
quantum’s own self-impulses: h and h*
This situation doesn’t understand in Physics.
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Newton wrote:
“‘For the basic problem of philosophy seems to be to discover
the forces of nature from the phenomena of motions and then
to demonstrate the other phenomena from these forces.”
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It means to take the quantum forces of nature h and h* and then
try to demonstrate all the other phenomena from these forces.
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:20 am

For many people the Physics became a new truly religion and
physicists play the role of high priests. Many believe them without
any critical point even they tell us abstract things as real phenomena
of nature.
But if some rational, common person try to understand them
in logical common sense, he has a problem.
The high priests say: “accept Nature as She is — absurd.”
/ QED : The Strange Theory of Light and Matter
Page 10, by Richard Feynman /

And if you don’t want accept Nature as absurd, you don’t have choice.
Because . . . "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:41 pm

The Multiverse and Gods.
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There are many spaces in Physics.
a) SRT has Minkowski spacetime.
b) Quantum mechanics first of all is h (!) and h (!)
was born from the Kirchhoff 's space - “black body”
c) String theory . . .
Oh ! String theory is very rich, it has many spaces:
11-D space, 27-D space, M-D space . . .
d) Astrophysics . . . (!)
Astrophysics has the strongest space – Black Hole:
everything that Big Bang created - Black Hole swallows.
#
There are many different Gods too: Brahman, Yahweh , Allah, Tao, Logos . . .
#
It seems, that the best way to solve the problem “The Multiverse and Gods “
is to give to every God its own Scientific space.
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Re: Scientific logic. / by Socratus /

Postby socratus » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:46 am

The essence of SRT and QED.
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a) SRT.
SRT explains behavior of photon / electron in vacuum.
b) QED.
QED explains interaction of photon / electron with matter.
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