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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:16 pm

I also think that it is very probable that some galaxies are contracting and some galaxies are expanding.
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:42 am

Arminius wrote:I also think that it is very probable that some galaxies are contracting and some galaxies are expanding.

The probability of that is extremely high, if not infinite. The only question is of the average.
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby surreptitious57 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:10 am

James S Saint wrote:
I have zero reason to believe that the universe is expanding

Were this true then it could be observed in its entirety. However the actual observable
limit is 49 billion light years beyond which nothing can be seen because it is expanding
beyond light speed. So not all light can reach Earth as long as this expansion continues
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:56 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
I have zero reason to believe that the universe is expanding

Were this true then it could be observed in its entirety. However the actual observable
limit is 49 billion light years beyond which nothing can be seen because it is expanding
beyond light speed. So not all light can reach Earth as long as this expansion continues

Light would not be visible either way.
The fact that Man cannot see light beyond what he believes to be 49 billion light years away (inferring more than a 20 billion year old universe) is not evidence that sources of light were not and are not present beyond that range.

As photons (puffs of affectance) pass through billions of light years of light distorting affectance, "space", only the reddish light survives and even it is eventually dispersed into oblivion. The component make up of light photons continues truly forever, but the puff-ball shape of a photon for it to be perceived, gradually spreads so large and thin as to disappear entirely. Th remnants of all of the light from an infinity of light sources is merely a CMB, "Cosmic Background Radiation".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby socratus » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:59 pm

socratus wrote:Not standard model of physics.
==..
In the study of particle physics, the most powerful tool is
the accelerator. Two most important things need for accelerator:
high energy and deep vacuum.
The higher the energy and the deeper the vacuum levels that
can be reached – and the tinier the structures that can be explored.
#
The picture of modern particle physics is saddled with Standard Model.
The Standard Model embraces a total of 18 particles.
Thanks to accelerators more than 20 Nobel Prizes have been awarded
to scientists who contributed to the Standard Model.
====…
a)
If the accelerator is model of Nature then Nature itself must have
infinite high energy and the deepest vacuum level. Then there isn’t
place for the hot (!) singular point as beginning of existence.
b)
Temperature requires separation and movement of particles.
A singularity is defined as to have no separation, no movement.
Without movement there isn’t temperature.
c)
The high density of singular point is equal to the singular point of deep
vacuum, therefor it is possible that nature started from singular point of
vacuum, it means from singular quantum particle in the vacuum point.
d)
The deepest vacuum level in Nature is the cosmic vacuum: T=0K.
This deepest vacuum (T=0K) is itself some kind of infinite energy.
This infinite energy gives birth to “virtual particles”: E=Mc^2.
These virtual particles” was called “dark matter and dark energy”.
“Dark masses and energy” of these “virtual particles” are more
than 90% in the nature and they created a few % of visual matter
in Nature.
============…


If the accelerator (for example LHC) is model of the Universe,
doesn’t it mean that the Universe as a whole must have
infinite energy and the deepest vacuum T = 0K?
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:20 am

James S Saint wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
I have zero reason to believe that the universe is expanding

Were this true then it could be observed in its entirety. However the actual observable
limit is 49 billion light years beyond which nothing can be seen because it is expanding
beyond light speed. So not all light can reach Earth as long as this expansion continues

Light would not be visible either way.
The fact that Man cannot see light beyond what he believes to be 49 billion light years away (inferring more than a 20 billion year old universe) is not evidence that sources of light were not and are not present beyond that range.

As photons (puffs of affectance) pass through billions of light years of light distorting affectance, "space", only the reddish light survives and even it is eventually dispersed into oblivion. The component make up of light photons continues truly forever, but the puff-ball shape of a photon for it to be perceived, gradually spreads so large and thin as to disappear entirely. Th remnants of all of the light from an infinity of light sources is merely a CMB, "Cosmic Background Radiation".

But if there was no "big bang", why should there be a "cosmic background radiation", what should have caused it?
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:43 am

Arminius wrote:But if there was no "big bang", why should there be a "cosmic background radiation", what should have caused it?

The CBR is the natural harmonic resonance of the universe. It is created by everything moving and being affected by everything else moving. Extremely distant light photons eventually fade into becoming merely a part of the ocean of subtle motion.

It is impossible for the universe to not have a resonance and it is impossible for photons to stay in form forever. With every electron and proton spinning, orbiting and vibrating, each being affected by the others, a subtle resonance must form. If the CBR isn't that resonance, then what is?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:06 am

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:But if there was no "big bang", why should there be a "cosmic background radiation", what should have caused it?

The CBR is the natural harmonic resonance of the universe. It is created by everything moving and being affected by everything else moving. Extremely distant light photons eventually fade into becoming merely a part of the ocean of subtle motion.

It is impossible for the universe to not have a resonance and it is impossible for photons to stay in form forever. With every electron and proton spinning, orbiting and vibrating, each being affected by the others, a subtle resonance must form. If the CBR isn't that resonance, then what is?

But what caused it to become just the a backgrond radiation, if there was neither a „big bang“ nor an „inflation phase“ of the universe?

I guess, I know your answer: Affectance.
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:25 am

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:But if there was no "big bang", why should there be a "cosmic background radiation", what should have caused it?

The CBR is the natural harmonic resonance of the universe. It is created by everything moving and being affected by everything else moving. Extremely distant light photons eventually fade into becoming merely a part of the ocean of subtle motion.

It is impossible for the universe to not have a resonance and it is impossible for photons to stay in form forever. With every electron and proton spinning, orbiting and vibrating, each being affected by the others, a subtle resonance must form. If the CBR isn't that resonance, then what is?

But what caused it to become just the a backgrond radiation, if there was neither a „big bang“ nor an „inflation phase“ of the universe?

I guess, I know your answer: Affectance.

I see. You are thinking that the CBR is coming FROM a background somewhere, right? It isn't. They noticed that no matter what direction they aim their antenna, they get the same subtle microwave frequency. The signal is EVERYWHERE. It isn't coming FROM anywhere in particular. It is formed and sustained by the affects and counter affects of subatomic particles in motion. It is impossible to form a steady state condition of affectance in space. There must always be harmonic "vibrations" (the CBR) happening throughout all space all of the time. The precise frequency should vary a little from region to region and as large events take place such as collisions or explosions.

The affectance field really does "connect" literally everything through its microwave level vibrations. If one can listen carefully enough to the changes in that vibration, one can detect an amazing number of things thought to be impossible to know.

The Hindus nor any of the ancient religions have been entirely wrong about Akosha and "feeling the vibe".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Big Bang and Black Hole.

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:43 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:But what caused it to become just the a backgrond radiation, if there was neither a „big bang“ nor an „inflation phase“ of the universe?

I guess, I know your answer: Affectance.

I see. You are thinking that the CBR is coming FROM a background somewhere, right? It isn't. They noticed that no matter what direction they aim their antenna, they get the same subtle microwave frequency.

You mean the radio technicians who could not get rit of the dirt in an antenna in 1964. According to the mainstream physicists this led to the knowledge of the cosmic background radiation (cbr). I know that story.

James S Saint wrote:The signal is EVERYWHERE. It isn't coming FROM anywhere in particular.

Yes, I know.

James S Saint wrote:It is formed and sustained by the affects and counter affects of subatomic particles in motion. It is impossible to form a steady state condition of affectance in space. There must always be harmonic "vibrations" (the CBR) happening throughout all space all of the time. The precise frequency should vary a little from region to region and as large events take place such as collisions or explosions.

The affectance field really does "connect" literally everything through its microwave level vibrations. If one can listen carefully enough to the changes in that vibration, one can detect an amazing number of things thought to be impossible to know.

What I meant was the difference between the fact that the mainstream physicists declared the "CBR" to be an effect of the "big bang" and the fact that other physicists declared the "big bang" to be a farce.
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