## Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

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### Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Pure logic is the fundamental way to understand physics, natural laws, biology, ontology, and mathematics. Every more "empirical" and quantitative measure and theoretical construct or set of observations rests upon a more fundamental structure of pure logic, and this logic is what causes those other measurements, models and quantities (equations, etc.) to even exist at all.

An equation describes how things relate as pure quantity, whereas logic explains WHY something MUST exist. Because some thing must necessarily exist, quantities are possible to be measured and abstracted out of the reality: quantities and ratios ascend to pure truth, objectivity status, and succeed therefore in disclosing something critical about reality to us, and yet such truths are secondary truths, because on their own they do not explain why anything is. They cannot explain it because they inevitably refer to assumed other entities and laws, and form castles in the sky rather than on the ground. This doesn't make them wrong, but it does make them incomplete.

Philosophy (good or bad philosophy) will always be the true basis of science.
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Wyld wrote:Pure logic is the fundamental way to understand physics, natural laws, biology, ontology, and mathematics. Every more "empirical" and quantitative measure and theoretical construct or set of observations rests upon a more fundamental structure of pure logic, and this logic is what causes those other measurements, models and quantities (equations, etc.) to even exist at all.

An equation describes how things relate as pure quantity, whereas logic explains WHY something MUST exist. Because some thing must necessarily exist, quantities are possible to be measured and abstracted out of the reality: quantities and ratios ascend to pure truth, objectivity status, and succeed therefore in disclosing something critical about reality to us, and yet such truths are secondary truths, because on their own they do not explain why anything is. They cannot explain it because they inevitably refer to assumed other entities and laws, and form castles in the sky rather than on the ground. This doesn't make them wrong, but it does make them incomplete.

Philosophy (good or bad philosophy) will always be the true basis of science.

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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

I agree.

I think there should be a new approach to mathematics.

Rather than display matrices as [9,0,3]
Instead they should be depicted as quantities.
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Pure emotion supercedes logic. Emotion is the context in which logic formulates.
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Pure emotion supercedes logic. Emotion is the context in which logic formulates.

MM wins!
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Pure emotion supercedes logic. Emotion is the context in which logic formulates.

A myth within those who do not know logic.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Pure emotion supercedes logic. Emotion is the context in which logic formulates.

Logic is necessity, that's all it means. Necessity as such has no "context". In comparison, emotions are derivative beings, built from in part logical strictures.
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

JSS,

Come again? This could be a good debate. I need to lend voice to the myths that matter. Wyld might implode; our being off topic. New thread time.
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

In the extreme, for those seriously talented at logical coherency and comprehensiveness, logic can even tell of exactly WHY the universe exists and does what it does, even without the assumption of forces of any kind.

Wyld wrote:
Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Pure emotion supercedes logic. Emotion is the context in which logic formulates.

Logic is necessity, that's all it means. Necessity as such has no "context". In comparison, emotions are derivative beings, built from in part logical strictures.

Correct again. Emotions arise from a limited use of logic deep within.

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:JSS,

Come again? This could be a good debate. I need to lend voice to the myths that matter. Wyld might implode; our being off topic. New thread time.

That isn't a new topic, I don't think.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

It's not logic that compells right or wrong...

Just sheer emotion
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Ecmandu wrote:It's not logic that compells right or wrong...

Just sheer emotion

Let me explain this...

If you feel good when the logic is bad, that is your logic ...
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Pure emotion supercedes logic. Emotion is the context in which logic formulates.

Emotion is what motivates us to use logic. Without emotion, you wouldn't get Spock, you'd get a mad man rambling incoherencies.
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

Logic is the end product of a developing brain trying to figure out a cognitive algorithm for predicting reality.
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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
- unknown source

Men must be taught as if you taught them not. And things unknown proposed as things forgot.
- Alexander Pope

Here lies the body of William J, who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he were wrong.
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

A logical deduction is a mathematically neccessary one, yes?
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### Re: Logic supersedes physics and mathematics

1mpious wrote:A logical deduction is a mathematically neccessary one, yes?

A mathematical deduction is a logically necessary one, yes.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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