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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:40 pm

I find that I can understand and produce my own long and convoluted equations, but I have trouble understanding other's long and convoluted equations. Is this due to my narcissism? Please help me understand this.
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Re: Equations.

Postby surreptitious57 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:58 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
I find that I can understand and produce my own long and convoluted equations but I have
trouble understanding others long and convoluted equations. Is this due to my narcissism ?

Whether you understand the equations of others or not depends on two things : how accurate those equations
are and how good your maths is. But when doing maths you can dispense with narcissism for it gets in the way
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Postby James S Saint » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:30 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:I find that I can understand and produce my own long and convoluted equations, but I have trouble understanding other's long and convoluted equations. Is this due to my narcissism? Please help me understand this.

It is just a neurological issue with the left hemisphere of the brain involving communication. Your brain can produce symbols from its intent, but has trouble interpreting symbols into intent. I would think that after some time has passed, you would have a little trouble reading even your own equations or short hand notes.

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Re: Equations.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:43 am

i find it is getting worse. Like when people are talking about simple shit and shit is going on in my head and I can't even process the simple shit they are saying. Maybe it is ADD related.
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Re: Equations.

Postby surreptitious57 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:11 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
I find it is getting worse. Like when people are talking about simple shit and shit is going on
in my head and I can not even process the simple shit they are saying. Maybe is ADD related

That is not ADD because if it was you would not be able to focus on the more complex stuff in your head
So if you can engage in abstract or higher order thinking then this is not because of any attention deficit
You require intellectual stimulation which is why you cannot engage when simple stuff is being discussed
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Re: Equations.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:17 pm

While that is true, sometimes I cannot pay attention when complex things are being discussed, such as long and convoluted equations.
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Postby James S Saint » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:35 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:While that is true, sometimes I cannot pay attention when complex things are being discussed, such as long and convoluted equations.

I have little doubt that you have ADHD.
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Re: Equations.

Postby gib » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:42 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:I find that I can understand and produce my own long and convoluted equations, but I have trouble understanding other's long and convoluted equations. Is this due to my narcissism? Please help me understand this.


What do you mean you can produce your own long and convoluted equations? You must mean more than just: I can put together a bunch of random variables with random mathematical operators. I mean, anyone can do that (James does it all the time). I'm guessing you mean that you can come up with equations for some real world phenomena. Am I right?

surreptitious57 wrote:That is not ADD because if it was you would not be able to focus on the more complex stuff in your head
So if you can engage in abstract or higher order thinking then this is not because of any attention deficit


I have ADD and this is exactly what I do--in fact, it's why I have ADD.
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Re: Equations.

Postby zinnat » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:35 am

Sometimes I wonder why left brain controls right side of the body and right brain left side!

That does not make any sense.

Is that necessary!

Why evolution did not follow the premise of Occam Razor and kept things short and simple, right brain for right side and left one for left side!

Would that arrangement have not saved or at least lessen the length of some neurons!

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Re: Equations.

Postby zinnat » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:03 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:i find it is getting worse. Like when people are talking about simple shit and shit is going on in my head and I can't even process the simple shit they are saying. Maybe it is ADD related.


As James rightly pointed out, it is the issue of both parts of the brain not exactly doing what they are supposed to do. Your right brain hemisphere is overpowering its counterpart.

Besides the symptoms that you mentioned, I guess that you must be feeling some eagerness and exienty all the time.

I would like to offer you a very simple remedy.

Always sleep taking turn on your left side. Try it. It may help.

There are some other basic and easy things also which can help you but try this one first.

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Re: Equations.

Postby James S Saint » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:06 am

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Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Always sleep taking turn on your left side. Try it. It may help.

Good advice.
And take a small amount of aspirin and a large amount of ginkgo biloba shortly before you sleep (20 mins). :wink:
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Re: Equations.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:19 pm

gib wrote:What do you mean you can produce your own long and convoluted equations? You must mean more than just: I can put together a bunch of random variables with random mathematical operators. I mean, anyone can do that (James does it all the time). I'm guessing you mean that you can come up with equations for some real world phenomena. Am I right?

Not exactly. I am a programmer, so my equations effect the virtual. Therefore they are absolute truths, because they are 100 percent empirical, true, reproducable, accurate, and verifiable. At any time I can press a button and the result will appear on my screen. It is simple, there is no middle man, I don't have to buy a telescope and watch it for months to conclude whether or not my equations are true.

Einsteins equations are guesswork, half-truths, essentially he is a blind bat trying to map a universe he doesn't understand, every now and then his equations roughly fit the picture, and he is hailed "genius"! Even though he doesn't have a clue that aether/affectance is the reason, not spacetime delusions.

I will try the ginko balboa, if it will give me interesting dreams. Will it give me interesting dreams? Currently I sleep on a floor mat on my right side, with my left side in the air. Occassionally I roll putting my left side down, but I like to sleep on my right side, it just feels good to on my consciousness. Probably the reason more blood flows to that side.
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Re: Equations.

Postby zinnat » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:42 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
I will try the ginko balboa, if it will give me interesting dreams. Will it give me interesting dreams? Currently I sleep on a floor mat on my right side, with my left side in the air. Occassionally I roll putting my left side down, but I like to sleep on my right side, it just feels good to on my consciousness. Probably the reason more blood flows to that side.


I am not an expert in medicine but I think that you should not use asprin and Ginko Balboa at the same time. As both of those are blood thinners, thus you should use only one at a time.

Sleeping on the left side will certainly help. Secondly, it is good that you use to sleep on the floor. Keep doing it.

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Re: Equations.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:06 pm

I thought sleeping on the floor was bad cuz I have back problems.
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Postby gib » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:15 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Not exactly. I am a programmer, so my equations effect the virtual. Therefore they are absolute truths, because they are 100 percent empirical, true, reproducable, accurate, and verifiable. At any time I can press a button and the result will appear on my screen. It is simple, there is no middle man, I don't have to buy a telescope and watch it for months to conclude whether or not my equations are true.


Ok, so you can create equations and get the results you want.

It sounds like what most posters in this thread are saying is true. You seem to be more right-brain dominant (creative) than left-brain (rules). This doesn't mean your left-brain is less intelligent or efficient or functional, it means it's not as dominant. But the left and right brains do work together. If you're a programmer, this should be obvious to you. You create the equations that you want, which is your right brain calling the shots, but it recruits the help of your left brain to figure out the logic of the equations and the algorithms. Your left brain may be just as smart or even smarter at doing this than your right brain is at being creative, but it's not calling the shots, it's taking orders.

In order to discipline your mind such that you can grasp what other people's equations mean, you will have to suppress the temptation to be creative in your interpretations and just patiently listen to what other people are trying to explain to you. This requires left brain thinking. The left brain is involved in language--both listening and speaking--and you will have to allow your listening brain (Wernicke's area) to dominate for a bit (this is just another way of talking about self-discipline, which gets easier with practice).

And it's perfectly normal to be overwhelmed by complex equations at first--no one gets new concepts right away when they are complex--so don't expect to get it right away. It's just a matter of patience and self-discipline. Also, keep in mind that sometimes the problem is with the speaker; sometimes they don't supply enough information for you to get it.
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Re: Equations.

Postby zinnat » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:I thought sleeping on the floor was bad cuz I have back problems.


Well again, I am not a medical expert. But, as far as I know, sleeping on the hard bed helps back patients. Having said that, if you have some back problems, I think that it would be wise to consult a doctor before using hard surfaces for sleeping.

But, you can start sleeping on your left side for sure. That would not cause any problem whatsoever.

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Re: Equations.

Postby zinnat » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:01 pm

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Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Not exactly. I am a programmer, so my equations effect the virtual. Therefore they are absolute truths, because they are 100 percent empirical, true, reproducable, accurate, and verifiable. At any time I can press a button and the result will appear on my screen. It is simple, there is no middle man, I don't have to buy a telescope and watch it for months to conclude whether or not my equations are true.


Ok, so you can create equations and get the results you want.

It sounds like what most posters in this thread are saying is true. You seem to be more right-brain dominant (creative) than left-brain (rules). This doesn't mean your left-brain is less intelligent or efficient or functional, it means it's not as dominant. But the left and right brains do work together. If you're a programmer, this should be obvious to you. You create the equations that you want, which is your right brain calling the shots, but it recruits the help of your left brain to figure out the logic of the equations and the algorithms. Your left brain may be just as smart or even smarter at doing this than your right brain is at being creative, but it's not calling the shots, it's taking orders.

In order to discipline your mind such that you can grasp what other people's equations mean, you will have to suppress the temptation to be creative in your interpretations and just patiently listen to what other people are trying to explain to you. This requires left brain thinking. The left brain is involved in language--both listening and speaking--and you will have to allow your listening brain (Wernicke's area) to dominate for a bit (this is just another way of talking about self-discipline, which gets easier with practice).

And it's perfectly normal to be overwhelmed by complex equations at first--no one gets new concepts right away when they are complex--so don't expect to get it right away. It's just a matter of patience and self-discipline. Also, keep in mind that sometimes the problem is with the speaker; sometimes they don't supply enough information for you to get it.


Gib,

Whatever you said is absolutely true but what is the solution of the problem? How one is supposed to overcome this habit?

I do not think that merely suggesting " listen to others " would help much. Most of the patients would be aware of that already but they cannot implement it.

Over the time, mind becomes hardwired to function in a particular way and refuses to adapt any change. How is that supposed to be altered?

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Re: Equations.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:07 pm

zinnat wrote: I think that it would be wise to consult a doctor before using hard surfaces for sleeping.

Not sure if I have any choice, as I don't have access to a bed.

they don't supply enough information for you to get it.

Or sometimes simultaneously too much and too little information, leading to frustration, as is the case with many wikipedia articles.
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Postby gib » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:53 pm

zinnat wrote:Over the time, mind becomes hardwired to function in a particular way and refuses to adapt any change. How is that supposed to be altered?


Oh, I wouldn't say that. It's true that the rigidity of neural wiring becomes stronger the older we get, but it's never black and white. Otherwise, we would never be able to learn anything new once we become adults.

You should look up experiments on the visual cortex. The visual cortex is thought to be one of the most rigid centers in the brain in terms of changing the neural wiring. The wiring becomes set in stone so to speak at a very early age. But experiments show that if you get people to wear special visors that flip the world around 180 degrees, it only takes the visual cortex an average of 6 minutes to adjust to it. People end up being able to ski down a mountain without any problems while wearing the visors.

I really think it's a matter of self-discipline. Exercising one's ability to do things that don't at first come natural, or that are outside one's comfort zone, usually become easier with time, and this is a result of our neural wiring adjusting to our new practices.

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Or sometimes simultaneously too much and too little information, leading to frustration, as is the case with many wikipedia articles.


I sense that from you--frustration with not getting concept immediately--which is not an uncommon trait with ADD. Again, self-discipline is where it's at (if you don't want drug therapy, that is).
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Re: Equations.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:16 pm

On wikipedia that don't make it easy. On other math, science, philosophy and engineering sites, it seems much easier to grasp the same concepts. Wikipedia seems like it was written by an AI half the time.
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Postby James S Saint » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:06 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:On wikipedia that don't make it easy. On other math, science, philosophy and engineering sites, it seems much easier to grasp the same concepts. Wikipedia seems like it was written by an AI half the time.

That used to be the other way around. Wiki adopted only cryptic "professional" language a few years ago, making it a bit useless at times.
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Equations.

Postby Amorphos » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:39 pm

zinnat wrote:Sometimes I wonder why left brain controls right side of the body and right brain left side!

That does not make any sense.

Is that necessary!

Why evolution did not follow the premise of Occam Razor and kept things short and simple, right brain for right side and left one for left side!

Would that arrangement have not saved or at least lessen the length of some neurons!

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it makes sense to me that the brain would want to cross-reference information, where the left brain controls the right body the info streams would be contrasting with the right brain and left body.

As to the op, it is as I see it a matter of information backgrounds. You don't have the info background of other peoples formulas, perhaps because you are not working in those fields. There is also a lack of a universal language of symbols which really doesn't help the situation. One scientist will be using the same letter for a different subject to another scientist or mathematician, which leads to the whole thing being a confused mass of specialist fields. However, an adept in physics will be able to read most formulas.
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Re: Equations.

Postby gib » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:29 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:On wikipedia that don't make it easy.


No they don't. Wiki articles don't start you from the beginning. They assume you have enough background knowledge to understand the concepts that they start with.

If you really want to start from the beginning, go to your local university and by the text book for whatever 101 course you're interested in. They assume a high school level of understanding to start.
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Re: Equations.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:42 pm

gib wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:On wikipedia that don't make it easy.


No they don't. Wiki articles don't start you from the beginning. They assume you have enough background knowledge to understand the concepts that they start with.

If you really want to start from the beginning, go to your local university and by the text book for whatever 101 course you're interested in. They assume a high school level of understanding to start.

Already got 8 science books collecting dust as is.

Id rather spend my energies on creative pursuits than deciphering wikipedia's lexicon.The internet provides me with numerous sites that are much more informative than wikipedia.
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Re: Equations.

Postby James S Saint » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:04 pm

Reading Wiki is like reading a doctor's prescription. If you already know what it probably says, you can verify that it said what you already suspected. Wiki has become merely another means to reassure exclusivity (exactly like doctors and upcoming physicists/mathematicians).
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The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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