Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

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Is the Darwinistic selection principle false?

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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby James S Saint » Mon May 09, 2016 11:13 pm

phoneutria wrote:I hope you're not talking about metal wheels with rubber tires.
We are obviously talking about an organic equivalent.

The materials are not the concern. Organic systems are innately fluid so as to distribute nutrients throughout. A free rotating wheel doesn't allow for such distribution networking (blood vessels, neurons). It is an issue of the mechanics. It probably isn't totally impossible to come up with some limited form of a wheel that can be grown, but I serious doubt that it would be efficient in use.

It is just a lousy strawman example to try to use to support evolution (typical of Dawkins).
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Artimas » Mon May 09, 2016 11:19 pm

James S Saint wrote:
phoneutria wrote:I hope you're not talking about metal wheels with rubber tires.
We are obviously talking about an organic equivalent.

The materials are not the concern. Organic systems are innately fluid so as to distribute nutrients throughout. A free rotating wheel doesn't allow for such distribution networking (blood vessels, neurons). It is an issue of the mechanics. It probably isn't totally impossible to come up with some limited form of a wheel that can be grown, but I serious doubt that it would be efficient in use.

It is just a lousy strawman example to try to use to support evolution (typical of Dawkins).


Maybe a plant, but an animal I don't know about that one.

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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Sun May 29, 2016 12:21 am

The ISS is such an "absolute island". There is no natural environment inside the ISS, everything is human-made, thus artificial (cultural), even the air that the humans breathe. So the environment inside the ISS is an absolutely artificial (cultural) environment. The natural environment is completely outside the ISS. If there were a natural environment inside the ISS, then the humans who are inside the ISS would immediately die.

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There are more than this human-made "islands", some are absolute, for example spaceships or the ISS, the others are relative, for example the atmospheric "islands":

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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Sun May 29, 2016 12:23 am

All of the are human-made and - either absolutely or relatively - isolated from nature.

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As long as all these "islands" will exist and will contradict their "ocean" nature they will also have their own order within their own boundaries. If you replace the natural environment by an artificial (cultural) environment, then you have created an artificial isolation of natural selection - either absolutely or relaitively.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:09 am

Life resists entropy. Otherwise it would not be capable of self-preservation and would decay, thus die. Self-preservation means preservation of the competences during the actual life, whereas reproduction means preservation of the competences beypond the own life. There are three evolution principles: (1) variation, (2) reproduction, (3) reproduction interest. Living beings get recources out of their environment in order to reproduce their competences by the resources of the environment, thus to preserve (conserve) and renew their competences. So they strive to reproduce their competences.

According to this the meaning of life is the avoidance of the loss of the competences.

If you have the impression that you are not needed anymore, then you have the impression of the loss of your competences.

Note: "Competences" means more than"fitness", it is more like "capital", "power", "acceptance", "appreceation".
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:32 am

Arminius wrote:Life resists entropy. Otherwise it would not be capable of self-preservation and would decay, thus die. Self-preservation means preservation of the competences during the actual life, whereas reproduction means preservation of the competences beypond the own life. There are three evolution principles: (1) variation, (2) reproduction, (3) reproduction interest. Living beings get recources out of their environment in order to reproduce their competences by the resources of the environment, thus to preserve (conserve) and renew their competences. So they strive to reproduce their competences.

According to this the meaning of life is the avoidance of the loss of the competences.

If you have the impression that you are not needed anymore, then you have the impression of the loss of your competences.

Note: "Competences" means more than"fitness", it is more like "capital", "power", "acceptance", "appreceation".


Sorry buddy, but in classic forms of reproduction, money isn't a gene.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:44 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Arminius wrote:Life resists entropy. Otherwise it would not be capable of self-preservation and would decay, thus die. Self-preservation means preservation of the competences during the actual life, whereas reproduction means preservation of the competences beypond the own life. There are three evolution principles: (1) variation, (2) reproduction, (3) reproduction interest. Living beings get recources out of their environment in order to reproduce their competences by the resources of the environment, thus to preserve (conserve) and renew their competences. So they strive to reproduce their competences.

According to this the meaning of life is the avoidance of the loss of the competences.

If you have the impression that you are not needed anymore, then you have the impression of the loss of your competences.

Note: "Competences" means more than"fitness", it is more like "capital", "power", "acceptance", "appreceation".


Sorry buddy, but in classic forms of reproduction, money isn't a gene.

I never said that "money" was "a gene".
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:48 am

Youre acting like we pass on "capital", "power", "acceptance", and "appreceation" through our DnA.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby James S Saint » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:13 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Youre acting like we pass on "capital", "power", "acceptance", and "appreceation" through our DnA.

He is referring to your "abilities" ("competencies", "skills", "talents", "social prospects"). Some are passed on through DNA. Some are taught, trained, or conditioned. Any can be taken away.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Lev Muishkin » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:59 am

James S Saint wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Youre acting like we pass on "capital", "power", "acceptance", and "appreceation" through our DnA.

He is referring to your "abilities" ("competencies", "skills", "talents", "social prospects"). Some are passed on through DNA. Some are taught, trained, or conditioned. Any can be taken away.


Skills are not carried in the DNA nor are abilities or competencies.

"Propensities" are passed on. That is why a child born to a stockbroker can be raised and succeed in a hunter/gatherer society, and vice versa.
Humans are the ultimate generalists since they are born with very little in the way of innate abilities, the brain being almost completely empty at birth, and able to absorb culture and learning.

It's for this reason that racism is complete bullshit.
And this is also why a person with the propensity to psychopathy can, in a poor family become a serial killer, whilst those born into a rich family become captains of industry and stockbrokers.

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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby James S Saint » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:22 am

Lev Muishkin wrote:
James S Saint wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Youre acting like we pass on "capital", "power", "acceptance", and "appreceation" through our DnA.

He is referring to your "abilities" ("competencies", "skills", "talents", "social prospects"). Some are passed on through DNA. Some are taught, trained, or conditioned. Any can be taken away.


Skills are not carried in the DNA nor are abilities or competencies.

"Propensities" are passed on. That is why a child born to a stockbroker can be raised and succeed in a hunter/gatherer society, and vice versa.
Humans are the ultimate generalists since they are born with very little in the way of innate abilities, the brain being almost completely empty at birth, and able to absorb culture and learning.

It's for this reason that racism is complete bullshit.
And this is also why a person with the propensity to psychopathy can, in a poor family become a serial killer, whilst those born into a rich family become captains of industry and stockbrokers.

You would have to adopt a special definition for "skills" to try to make that true.

Try swinging from one branch of a tree to another by using only one hand and your tail.
Perhaps try to catch a rattle snake using only your teeth.
Catch a mouse with one fingernail?
Get a job as a stripper?
How about the Iranian Prime Minister? President?
Chinese People's Party Leader?
How about ask someone with angelman disorder to work out the first few digits of the square root of Pi?
Ask a colorblind man to accurately describe the difference in your lawn and your neighbor's?
How about play basketball with a dwarf or midget? .. with Oscar Robertson?
President of the NAACP? ..Women's League of America?
Weight lifting or Karate competition with your girlfriend (dubiously assuming that she is a "she" in your case)?

Your new-age mentality of "all people are equal until those white men program us to be different" is bullshit.


But as you say:
Lev Muishkin wrote:Humans are the ultimate generalists since they are born with very little in the way of innate abilities
.. or at least new-age liberal globalists seem to be. But science disagrees with you.

Fighting lies with lies just makes for a lot more lies.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:55 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Youre acting like we pass on "capital", "power", "acceptance", and "appreceation" through our DnA.

He is referring to your "abilities" ("competencies", "skills", "talents", "social prospects"). Some are passed on through DNA. Some are taught, trained, or conditioned.

Exactly.

It is based on information.

There are many different information memories (storages), two of them are biological (genetical and neurological) - genes and memes (short-term and long-term)-, all others are cultural (artificial) like all culturally made things, for example books / libraries, pictures, photographs, audiotapes, videotapes, memories of computer, robots, androids.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby James S Saint » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:05 pm

Arminius wrote:It is based on information.

There are many different information memories (storages), two of them are biological (genetical and neurological) - genes and memes (short-term and long-term)-, all others are cultural (artificial) like all culturally made things, for example books / libraries, pictures, photographs, audiotapes, videotapes, memories of computer, robots, androids.

Memory is the first stage to Anentropy (no matter the form) and is always achieved by the same process; refurbishing as fast as eroding.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:32 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Lev Muishkin wrote:
James S Saint wrote:He is referring to your "abilities" ("competencies", "skills", "talents", "social prospects"). Some are passed on through DNA. Some are taught, trained, or conditioned. Any can be taken away.

Skills are not carried in the DNA nor are abilities or competencies.

"Propensities" are passed on. That is why a child born to a stockbroker can be raised and succeed in a hunter/gatherer society, and vice versa.
Humans are the ultimate generalists since they are born with very little in the way of innate abilities, the brain being almost completely empty at birth, and able to absorb culture and learning.

It's for this reason that racism is complete bullshit.
And this is also why a person with the propensity to psychopathy can, in a poor family become a serial killer, whilst those born into a rich family become captains of industry and stockbrokers.

You would have to adopt a special definition for "skills" to try to make that true.

Yes. Of course. And he himself is the super racist. He "argues" like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot did who fanatically dictated: If there are persons who are more intelligent than others, then this persons do not have a right to exist, thus must be murdered.

In order to prevent misuses of a phenomenon you have to know what it is and to explain, to illuminate, to clarify it.

James S Saint wrote:Try swinging from one branch of a tree to another by using only one hand and your tail.
Perhaps try to catch a rattle snake using only your teeth.
Catch a mouse with one fingernail?
Get a job as a stripper?
How about the Iranian Prime Minister? President?
Chinese People's Party Leader?
How about ask someone with angelman disorder to work out the first few digits of the square root of Pi?
Ask a colorblind man to accurately describe the difference in your lawn and your neighbor's?
How about play basketball with a dwarf or midget? .. with Oscar Robertson?
President of the NAACP? ..Women's League of America?
Weight lifting or Karate competition with your girlfriend (dubiously assuming that she is a "she" in your case)?

Your new-age mentality of "all people are equal until those white men program us to be different" is bullshit.

Yes. Absolutely. His egalitarianism is so insane, so that I would not be surprised if he demanded that "all living beings must be equal" and "those who do not agree" with that insane statement "must be murdered".

Maybe it is because he is not taught but "teached". :wink:

James S Saint wrote:But as you say:
Lev Muishkin wrote:Humans are the ultimate generalists since they are born with very little in the way of innate abilities
.. or at least new-age liberal globalists seem to be. But science disagrees with you.

Yes. Absolutely. ....
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:46 pm

The statement "all people are equal" refers to the notion that they all have sentience.

However, I am not sure if that is true, that is a lot of sentience (and suffering) to go around. I'd say only 1 out of 10,000 have sentience.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:25 am

The statement "all people are equal" is a juridical statement and means "all people are or should be equal before the law", "people have or should have the same rights". People are not really equal.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:23 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Youre acting like we pass on "capital", "power", "acceptance", and "appreceation" through our DnA.
James S Saint wrote:He is referring to your "abilities" ("competencies", "skills", "talents", "social prospects"). Some are passed on through DNA. Some are taught, trained, or conditioned.
Arminius wrote:Exactly.

It is based on information.

There are many different information memories (storages), two of them are biological (genetical and neurological) - genes and memes (short-term and long-term)-, all others are cultural (artificial) like all culturally made things, for example books / libraries, pictures, photographs, audiotapes, videotapes, memories of computer, robots, androids.
Arminius wrote:If you consider this, especially the tendency of each organism (living being) and each super-organism to avoid the loss of competences, then many current problems, also and especially the feminism or the plunder and destruction of our planet, can be understood and explained in an easier way.

It is a systemic evolution theory or philosophy.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Lev Muishkin » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:06 pm

Arminius wrote:The statement "all people are equal" is a juridical statement and means "all people are or should be equal before the law", "people have or should have the same rights". People are not really equal.


And that makes the Darwinistic Selection Principle True.
I'm glad you finally realised that.

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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:40 am

Nonsense. ^^^^

You are not capable of understanding the simpliest sentences.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Lev Muishkin » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:05 pm

Arminius wrote:Nonsense. ^^^^

You are not capable of understanding the simpliest sentences.


And this ^^^ also make Darwinism true!!

"Science is entirely Faith Based.... Obama is Muslim....Evil is the opposition to life (e-v-i-l <=> l-i-v-e ... and not by accident). Without evil there could be no life.", James S. Saint.
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"A Tortoise is a Turtle", Wizard
" Hitler didn't create the Nazis. In reality, the Judists did ... for a purpose of their own. Hitler was merely one they chose to head it up after they discovered the Judist betrayal in WW1, their "Judas Iscariot";James S Saint.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby barbarianhorde » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:24 am

Arminius wrote:Thesis:

The Darwinistic selection principle is false, unless human beings were not included.

Darwin's selection principle means that successful living beings have more offspring than the unsuccessful living beings and live on, whereas unsuccessful living beings have less offspring than the successful living beings and die out. But in the case of the human beings this selection principle can be reversed: successful human beings have less offspring than the unsuccessful human beings and die out, whereas unsuccessful living beings have more offspring than the successful living beings and live on. The human culture/s allow/s to circumvent the Darwinistic selection principle.

If youre trying to have kids and then even if you are rich dont manage because you are infertile? Are you then successful even if your rich? No. Bullnonsense.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:54 pm

I did not use the word "rich" in my opening post. You can be successful without being rich and rich without being successful. It depends on ....

Just ask yourself:

- " Am I successful (and why or why not) ? "
- " Do I have kids (and why or why not) ? "
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:24 pm

Arminius wrote:The statement "all people are equal" is a juridical statement and means "all people are or should be equal before the law", "people have or should have the same rights". People are not really equal.


People without sentience should not have rights. However, the trouble is, we cannot prove whether or not a person has sentience or is a p-zombie.
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Arminius » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:02 pm

A "p-zombie"?
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Re: Is the Darwinistic Selection Principle False?

Postby Lev Muishkin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:42 pm

You are still wrong.

"Science is entirely Faith Based.... Obama is Muslim....Evil is the opposition to life (e-v-i-l <=> l-i-v-e ... and not by accident). Without evil there could be no life.", James S. Saint.
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