1.There is no room for god in an infinite universe/reality. It is already all used up.
2.It doesn’t require anything else bar numbers and information pertaining to them + an infinite zero base to energy. Though in my mind it does require some manner of ‘creation engine’ propagating manifest perspectives [or points if you’d rather see it that way] in nature. For me this is entirely tied up in time and perspectives, or otherwise is time.
You only need nature! = Time + infinite energy + perspective [observing points]. intelligence is an illusion of pattern forming i.e. we think it is there because we are spatially located minds [consciousness] observing pattern forming in the world. there is no ‘it’ or thingness of intelligence, ergo is an illusion in that sense.
Perhaps a little effort and philosophical rigour is required here? This is not a confrontational remark as it must sound, as I would ask myself the same things when debating in my head, and you want to get to the truth don’t you? …and you feel you can understand any argument, and probably can. so surely the truer basis is what we should be trying to find here, after all I may be wrong, but I wont know that unless people make sufficient argument.
It would help if you answered my points ~ and without the ad-hom, rather than assuming god is behind it all without explaining how infinity = god. Surely at the base layer of reality the infinite is at its most simple, probably even ‘the simplest thing’.
Now if we add in ‘self-learning’, that involves multiple processes ergo complexity. What would an infinite being need to heal? Or transcend? [to what?]. Balance what ~ in an emptiness?
More importantly here, you are seeing numbers and intellect, whereas i am seeing that both of those things are layered above a deeper level of truth abstract to the case. Like what i said about the intellect being an illusion [and you didn’t say why that isn’t true!?], numbers are also illusory in that they only metaphorically represent information. In my diagram to me the directions and polarities were beneath the numbers rather than propagated by them!?
See these numbers? 5400257321953275017-3257-23570-2375-0325237-5723-0532532532 I made them up.
These numbers 3.141592…
Or 1.618… are connected to God’s Hierarchy which created: - One of the many examples of what numbers are doing in nature as its own self-existing mathematical hierarchy that can be found in our body, our planet and outer space.
I understand how the patterns are real and in nature, just not why they depend upon god or an intellect of any kind. Number patterns are just representations of how objects and concepts/info bump into one another. I admit it gets kinda freaky [the connections and correlations] the more you know about numbers, but does that mean there is a fabulous intellect out there whom actually worked all this stuff out prior to and beyond the infinite universe?
For me as a druid its a fundamental question; is reality open and magical or is it constructed and considered.
The ignorance and dissolution you see in today’s species exists because the Universe is experiencing that very dissolution, hence why its bacteria is still naive and transcending to this day.
This is not a Design.
This is “An Unfinished Design”.
We, as humans, are here as a reflection of the Universe’s desire to evolve and transcend. Therefore those ungrateful animals that abuse the tools they were given by this universe are simply the failures of life - mathematically deficient foreshadowing of the Universe’s blind spots.
But what do we mean by that? Is a mysterious universe so frightening and destructive? Would we evolve into something sloth-like if not for adversity, and cease to develop intellect without contrasts. Is not gritty reality composed of illusion, but made real by our experiencing of it?
In other words, would God - if existent, not create the world just as it is.
You need a history in order to be who you are, to develop from scratch rather than to be created as human in an instant. Imagine if you realised you had only just been created right now, so everything you thought you had achieved wouldn’t have been you. You’d feel cheated, no?
I still don’t know what a god ~ the being at the top end of the triangle [where quanta = the base and lower point] would be like; infinite in some other way which is opaque and not transparent? Or just very big whatever that means in a sizeless reality?
I do think the universe is unfinished though. which is also part of its magic [would be stale/static otherwise].
but also that info can be eternal in its reflection as well as ‘finite’, ergo we still have the otherworld/heaven/eliseum, its just a different level of reality. …still don’t need god in the equation.
The Universe is transcending because it’s the Subatomic God. It’s evolving, learning and becoming more than it was the day before. It did all of this WITHOUT KNOWING ITSELF.
Ok. That’s quite a statement! And i agree of course. Can we add Einstein’s ‘all-time’? So like us [spiritually] the ‘god’ is growing in time and has a wisdom side from the end of time.
Could we then make the assumption that like us, in some sense Divinity isn’t centred in the end [of time][or beyond] place. Perhaps intuition has hindsight at it’s base? How could it truly >be< intuition without that component.
I believe ‘inspiration’ derives there too. equally contemplation along with the artistic/alchemical poetic process must also either have {informational} hindsight or be fictional.
generally speaking, I would think the universe must know itself, such to build itself. then once we see that in all-time, then Divinity [why God?] would know everything informational.
it’s just that’s not the same as experiencing it + experience is an affect of doing or drive in reality. so divinity [itself and in us [the kingdom of heaven is within]] gets to experience what it knows will happen. as an all-knowing entity [of information] I think it would want there to be much more than a world it already knows. perhaps this is why we get lost in our characters so to say. …and is also why forgiveness is appropriate.
E.g. Where you begin with the singular and whole, then the next set of things would relate to that, then so on and so forth, there are correlative connections between all things. If the first thing were a face, then you would easily see where we are all connected to it. Hatingmeiseasier’s mathematical patterns emulate this.
the others just like to mock what doesn’t fit into their simplistic religious worldview, not realising the joke is on them.
rather than assuming god is behind it all without explaining how infinity = god. Surely at the base layer of reality the infinite is at its most simple, probably even ‘the simplest thing’.
- One of the many examples of what numbers are doing in nature as its own self-existing mathematical hierarchy that can be found in our body, our planet and outer space.
