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Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:52 pm

Rational Metaphysics, RM, is an ontology for physics formed without the presumptions inherent in the Science of physics and is introduced here.. Rational Metaphysics (what else would I be talking about).

Within RM is an equation that mathematically describes any portion of space, regardless of what is in that space. Anything within that space merely alters a few parameters without change in the equation itself. And of course a part of that equation is time.

The time variable in the equation allows for both post- and predictions throughout all time. In effect, it allows for someone to predict the exact state of that space and whatever might have been in it throughout the future. Or it can be used to calculate what state the space had to have been in prior such as to get to the state it is in.

Of course there are inherent problems. Knowing the truly exact state of any bit of space is all but impossible so trying to simulate any real space would inherently erroneously predict due to improper initialization. Whatever its first given state is, it could never be truly and totally representative of any particular portion of real space. But sometimes close enough, is close enough for the need.

Also amongst the problems is the fact that space is actually infinite in all directions (despite theories and fantasies to the contrary) and thus there is no actual boundary. And because there is no actual boundary in real space, there are affects stemming from outside the given portion under study that will affect the actual future state. Without including the entire universe, trying to calculate the future for any one portion is limited.

Another problem is that to truly represent all of any significantly large space (anything greater in size than a pea) a horrendously large computer would have to hold all of the parameters.

But such limitations do not make the equation entirely useless. When investigating particle reactions, one need not build a multi-billion dollar particle collider, a multi-thousand dollar computer can do the job setting in someone’s office. And the good thing is that it is likely to be even more accurate than the collider without all of the potential dangerous of blowing up the user or the world.

But let’s say that such an equation was advanced to the point where it became practical to truly represent all of the activity on Earth with a high degree of accuracy, every atom, ever blade of grass, every human endeavor. What do you suppose would happen then?

With such a system, one could predict the consequences of any and every proposed change in laws or environment. One could get creative and predict the probable outcome of many proposed changes in environment, politics, social science, religion, or simple moving of these people from point A to point B. And all without having to go kill anyone to get it done. Danger would be minimized. Well, except for that one.

Man, throughout his history has constantly sought to be a god. Not merely a god, but THE GOD in absolute control of all things throughout the world and even the universe. There are a variety of reasons that keeps such a thing on his limited mind and heart, but there is no question that anything allowing him to become more of a true prophet, is something he would kill anyone and everyone to get his hands on. And with such a computer, he would have such a thing.

With a large enough computer and the Equation of Space, anything that is possible to be accomplished could be designed in serious detail. Any invention imaginable that was actually doable could be designed to a tee. Any and every cure for any illness could be fully designed along with the required means to deliver it. Of coarse, also any and every potential disease could also be designed. Every type of religion could be designed, every type of governance as well. Whoever had such a computer could answer any and every whim whether for good or bad.

So what would you do with such a device if it was in your hands? What goal would you seek for the human race?

Realize that what I have formed in RM, was already formed in perhaps a more crude way back in the 1950’s. Of course there have always been crude forms throughout history. And by being to close right without being exactly right, the more powerfully dangerous people get. So today, as such endeavors get closer and closer to being “close enough”, the threat to all humanity increases greatly depending on the sanity of the people running the program and making the choices as to what future will be constructed.

Many stories and films have been made with such a thought in mind. Many worries and many hopes have been dreamt. Television shows such as Dr. Who explores in fanciful form the types of concerns that are revealed by being able to see (or “travel”) into the past and future, “do this, and lets see what comes of what you just did”.

What I find most disturbing is not the potential power of such a device in the hands of the wrong people, but rather that there seems to be no “right people” who actually have a sane idea concerning what the future “should be”, what goal to design toward.

With a great deal of experience toying with such a device without actually implementing the proposed changes in the world, the lusts for power gets quailed into a far more moderate understanding, less passion and more compassion. The final question of “why bother to do anything” gets answered without passion presumptions or primitive yearnings. But how do you stop the lust to implement “close enough” before the more favorable designs have been explored?

Given the chance, the rationality in RM settles into the soul to allow the noise of lustful passions for control and domination to calm and fade. Man then has to decide for what purpose he is to actually do anything for sake of the future. His mind and heart becomes clear of his presumptions. The “Sin” within Man himself fades.

I said that the Equation for Space has already been developed in crude form and by some very influential people. But how do I know it is in “crude” form? I know by comparison of the fruit of such a “tree of knowledge”. What I see is exemplary of the “close enough” equation in the lustful wrong hands. What I see is insidious manipulation where none was needed, death, misery, and destruction where none was needed.

The RM model does not inspire to seek total domination of all reality. It displays the consequences of such attempts to be disastrous and eventually futile. It shows a more sane way of achieving sanity among homosapian; less death, misery, and destruction of what humanity is, more freedom and less struggle for all concerned.

A man once asked, “what do you do with 300 million insane people?” I now must ask, “what do you do with 6.5 billion of them?” Let them see the futures they propose? Will that bring sanity among them? Will that inspire true rationality in Man for perhaps the first time? “Close enough” is going to make him extinct. That part is already foreseeable.
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:18 pm

Haha.. :lol:

Is that your exceedingly polite way of saying that you think it is all fiction (aka. "BS")? 8)

..and the author of that linked article is "Posted by: JSS".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:49 pm

Not to dup post, but rather merely address the "fiction" issue;

EugeneMorrow wrote:1. How can you show that the Equation for Space is correct, or even approximately true? The size of the computer used seems to be the limiting factor. What can you do with the current computers you have access to?

First, as stated in the other thread, one cannot prove anything concerning logic unless the person viewing it adheres to logic - proof is in the mind of the beholder. Definitional Logic proves the incontrovertibly of the logic and then the ontology is then proven by the sheer number of exact likenesses to empirically demonstrated physics. Unlike Science, RM doesn't "reverse engineer" the physical universe. RM designs a physical universe and then compares it to the one already in operation. When that comparison is so exact as to not be able to distinguish one from the other on every observed phenomena in physics, a sufficient proof has been formed.

The computer that I used to generate all of this is named Jack. Jack is the combination of a single bit processor and a common PC. The PC handles the memory storage and display while the SBP handles the logic. I chose the name Jack, because frankly, if you don't know RM, you don't know Jack. 8)

With what I had to work with and in the time allotted, I created a metaspace of about the size of a fraction of a hydrogen atom, enough to be able to watch particles form and interact. But within that space, all of the laws of physics can be witnessed even though not programmed into the behavior.

EugeneMorrow wrote:2. If it potentially predicts human behavior, does that mean we don't have free will? If we don't have free will, then a big enough computer will tell you what will happen if the Equation of Space is known, so you can work out if it's safe to reveal it.

I don't know why I hadn't thought of that before, but it actually wouldn't be nearly that simple. The computer that could accurately predict the existing world would have to have a horrendous amount of precise data on the world just as it stands. Such efforts have been underway since WW2. Huge computers are currently trying to track everything you could imagine solely for the purpose that I am warning about. So as far as me having such a computer before hand so that I could predict the effect of that same knowledge being "known to the world" (as if there was anything ever known to the entire world), would be extremely unlikely.. well.. impossible.

What they do so as to make any computer have even the slightest chance of being accurate involves approximations, generalizations, and probabilities. For socialist and communist governance schemes such things are much easier because they frankly don't care about anything but constructing a simple idealized model of an organized social system regardless of who has to suffer and die in order to achieve it. I think the cartoon film, Shrek, displays the basic scenario. But the adversaries to such schemes are as bad if not worse. None display any actual understanding of morality and necessity.

EugeneMorrow wrote:3. Sometimes events can have two or more routes that can cause them. For example, a car might be parked in location A, and a short time later it is parked in location B. What route did the car take to get from A to B? There is potentially an infinite number of ways the car could have been moved - different routes it was driven, and who drove it, and how fast. How can RM decide which one happened? Measuring the position and velocity of every air molecule seems a tad unrealistic so I can't see how the information could be provided. Surely there is not enough information to determine how some events happened, even if you had a huge computer.

You are right that post-dicting (as opposed to pre-dicting) can be tricky. But in reality and due to the horrendous complexity of the universe, by truly knowing almost every detail of the present, every event of the past can be calculated. Of course the further distant one tries to post-dict, the more precise one's measure of the present must be. And you are right in that no computer could ever contain enough information about the present to be very precise in details concerning distant past events. Again, it becomes an issue of "good enough" for the concerns at hand.

Predicting is much easier for a variety of reason. One of those reasons is that one way to increase the accuracy of a prediction is to help adjust any variations that begin to happen so that the computers calculated future will turn out as predicted. In other words, you cheat.

Such things have already taken place in the US and I'm sure across the world because the Pharaohs were doing similar 3000 years ago. More recently, when Prof John Nash proved an economic scheme that would make the elites rich, but required a specific type of human social behavior for it to be accurate, extreme measures were taken to get people to behave as the computer model required so that the wealth could be realized. What was created was the "Me Generation" and the current economic crisis. During that time, John Nash is awarded the Noble Prize in economics.

EugeneMorrow wrote:I see the Equation of Space as potentially a "simulator" where you could design some experiment, and then show the results given by the Equation of Space, and then do the actual experiment to see if the answers agree. This would be a pretty definitive way of proving how useful it is.

Interestingly, there is a difference in a simulator and a true metaspace. It gets complicated as to exactly why, but what forms in a metaspace is as real as anything that forms in real space, merely a more complex version of it. A metaspace program cannot use modal of things.

Remember that RM begins with the entire universe being no more than values assigned for each point in space. A value is not a physical entity. The changing of those values is what causes physicality and our universe. In a metaspace program, again merely values are assigned to all locations. The exact same rules that apply to the physical universe are then applied to those values. Those values change in accord with physical reality and create an actual real, physically existent meta-universe wherein only the true rules of reality prevail... that is until the program gets stopped or interfered with.

You can read a little more about the program here.. Achieving Faster than Light

Also something that I had posted some time ago;
A Short Overview of the ToE/UFT/GUT Project
The project began in the field of Rational Metaphysics wherein Definitional Logic outlines details concerning why the universe exists at all. But more significantly, it lays a foundation from which an understanding of exactly why and how particles form, what form they take, and why they do what they do.. all that they do. Basically it reveals an understanding of why the laws of physics are what they have been noted to be by contemporary physics.

In order to demonstrate the logic involved, a computer(s) (a single-bit-processor and a PC) had to be programmed to handle the issue of EM turbulence within a volume of space. In order to get that accomplished such that a small PC could handle the nearly infinite number of concerns involved, I had to come up with a method to describe generic turbulence such that calculations could be made concerning its interaction. I dubbed that method "Afflate Analysis" which is a combination of statistical analysis, analytic geometry, and tensor analysis.

An Afflate is merely an "affectance oblate" or simply put, "a clump of turbulence". It is a statistical entity and a tensor field element. 200,000 afflates become a rudimentary model of an otherwise vacuous portion of space filled with turbulent EM noise/chaos. By applying the proper "rules of afflate engagement" equally to each and every afflate and letting logic take its course, particles begin to form. The particles choose to become positive, negative or neutral based on the particular balance of the turbulence that inspired them. Still without further instruction, the particles begin to display all of the known behaviors of subatomic particles including inertia, momentum, inverse squared mass attraction, inverse squared charge attraction and repulsion, quantization limits, strong and weak force bonding, spin, and so on.

What is interesting besides being able to see exactly why these phenomena are happening, is that with proper and precise mathematics and programming (very poorly done at the moment), the exact relations concerning the laws of physics can be calculated and even measured literally off of the computer screen. And what is more interesting about that is new relationships can be seen of which it appears contemporary physics is not yet aware.

The long shot of it is that the project offers to explain the "why" behind every known law and phenomena of physics and even explain things like the famous photon double slit experiment with ultimate detail and precision.


The following is a very early pic of a high density energy field being displayed through an Excel spreadsheet (because I didnt have proper graphics programs and didn't want to go create one);
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That pic doesn't really tell you much other than displaying how fields aggregate and that trying to find a particle in all that mess would be tough. So I improved on the display processing by filtering out the lower level "noise" and adding a particle locater and tracker program separate from the metaspace programming.

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That was an earlier snapshot using a tracker to locate and follow particulates forming. The big circles are the tracker.

What you are seeing is the center x-y plane of a cube of metaspace. At that stage, the tracker would follow the drifting Brownian type motion of the particle throughout metaspace while keeping the screen centered around the particle, or in that case, 2 particles. The red circle is indicating a particle that is in another x-y plane along the z axis. You can only watch one plane at a time in 2D of course.

I started to create a 3D spreadsheet for Jack, but Excel turned out to be too limited and I didn't want to go relearn C++.

Jack has had various brain surgeries since that pic and looks a little better, but the entire thing wasn't really for sake of public display so most all of it is merely sufficient for me. Later sometime I need to create some good animations and screen shots for full explanations.

The following displays a few of the clips showing two positrons interacting. The top graph displays the distance between the two. One positron was headed toward the other. They both responded with proper inverse square aversion to each other. Again, remember that as far as the program is concerned, there is no such thing as a "particle" . The program merely changes the PtA value at each point (many times more than those displayed) according to the "rules of reality". Particles form and obey what we call the "laws of physics" without ever being told to do so.
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Note the upper left corner number in orange. That number is a timer in real time letting you know how long it took my little setup to figure out everything required for each step. The actual screen is about 4 times what you see there displaying far more of the details involved concerning affectance field potential and density, gimbal spin velocities, and so on. The little blue circles are the tracker program locating the xyz position of the particles as they float about.

Most of that was from about a year ago.

But this thread isn’t actually about RM, but rather the eventual effects and consequences of extremely convincing predictive machines in the hands of lustful people who do not ensure that they really want what they seek.

The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is the exact scenario of concern merely in biblical language. To know that requires that you understand scriptural language, so for now, take my word for it. The concerns, behaviors, and consequences revealed in that story display a reality that predictive machines or mechanisms create.

Look at the threads concerning the “Ought” question and “Morality”. The world displays that it cannot resolve those questions any more than the people on this forum can. None of the Illuminati, Freemasons, Royal Masons, Catholic Church, Jews, Muslims, Secularists or anyone in influence is displaying any sign of having the slightest understanding concerning that question of morality and “ought”. Some seem to come closer than others at times or on specific issues, but there isn’t the slightest sign of an actual understanding behind their efforts. As the Bible story goes, “My people do not know me.” I have no doubt that such was true then, but my concern is that it is still true today.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby victorel21 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:38 pm

Humans as they stand cannot have that kind of power since we are all self interested. The pinnacle of human interaction is the balance between once needs and that of others, the only reason someone would care for someone else is because of the necessity we have of working together due to our limitations which creates a need to live in harmony. Nonethless if this computer was made, then the users wouldnt need others and emotions would never arise, with that power they would seek their own benefit even at the detriment of others.

Although, it would not be too bad because even knowing what will happen does not mean that you can control it, humans are in the humility era they will learn that they do have limitations, somethings are just impossible to do.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:11 pm

victorel21 wrote:Humans as they stand cannot have that kind of power since we are all self interested. The pinnacle of human interaction is the balance between once needs and that of others, the only reason someone would care for someone else is because of the necessity we have of working together due to our limitations which creates a need to live in harmony. Nonethless if this computer was made, then the users wouldnt need others and emotions would never arise, with that power they would seek their own benefit even at the detriment of others.

I call it "Inculisive Self-Harmony".
It means focus on the balance of harmony both within and surrounding oneself.
The reward is the closest that can be achieved to eternal joy and eventually, actually achieved.

Even with RM, it is never proposed that others are not needed. Quite the contrary in that the first temptation is to use others so as to obtain more power and diminish any potentially contrary influence.

The issue and concern is the realization that such a social structure has a limit to its size and grasp - a provable limit. Currently the thought is that at the right moment, so as to achieve "sustainable" governance, a very large portion of the population must be deleted, else the governance will not be able to maintain its supremacy, a supremacy that it actually had no business attempting to create in the first place.

The ideal is distributed governance, distributed intelligence (Democracy), not central governance or central intelligence (Socialism and/or Communism). But that democracy must be of a specific nature, else it all starts over again.

victorel21 wrote:Although, it would not be too bad because even knowing what will happen does not mean that you can control it, humans are in the humility era they will learn that they do have limitations, somethings are just impossible to do.

I very much agree. But what RM proposes, unlike many before it, is the opportunity to discover exactly what is impossible and why. The problem, as usual, is even RM requires that one actually seek what is possible or impossible before they presume, before they try to gain what is beyond their grasp. They see some progress and lustfully rush into it and forget about whether it was anything actually worth accomplishing.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:55 pm

James S Saint wrote:Rational Metaphysics, RM, is an ontology for physics formed without the presumptions inherent in the Science of physics and is introduced here.. Rational Metaphysics (what else would I be talking about).

Within RM is an equation that mathematically describes any portion of space, regardless of what is in that space. Anything within that space merely alters a few parameters without change in the equation itself. And of course a part of that equation is time.

The time variable in the equation allows for both post- and predictions throughout all time. In effect, it allows for someone to predict the exact state of that space and whatever might have been in it throughout the future. Or it can be used to calculate what state the space had to have been in prior such as to get to the state it is in.

Of course there are inherent problems. Knowing the truly exact state of any bit of space is all but impossible so trying to simulate any real space would inherently erroneously predict due to improper initialization. Whatever its first given state is, it could never be truly and totally representative of any particular portion of real space. But sometimes close enough, is close enough for the need.

Also amongst the problems is the fact that space is actually infinite in all directions (despite theories and fantasies to the contrary) and thus there is no actual boundary. And because there is no actual boundary in real space, there are affects stemming from outside the given portion under study that will affect the actual future state. Without including the entire universe, trying to calculate the future for any one portion is limited.

Another problem is that to truly represent all of any significantly large space (anything greater in size than a pea) a horrendously large computer would have to hold all of the parameters.

But such limitations do not make the equation entirely useless. When investigating particle reactions, one need not build a multi-billion dollar particle collider, a multi-thousand dollar computer can do the job setting in someone’s office. And the good thing is that it is likely to be even more accurate than the collider without all of the potential dangerous of blowing up the user or the world.

But let’s say that such an equation was advanced to the point where it became practical to truly represent all of the activity on Earth with a high degree of accuracy, every atom, ever blade of grass, every human endeavor. What do you suppose would happen then?

With such a system, one could predict the consequences of any and every proposed change in laws or environment. One could get creative and predict the probable outcome of many proposed changes in environment, politics, social science, religion, or simple moving of these people from point A to point B. And all without having to go kill anyone to get it done. Danger would be minimized. Well, except for that one.

Man, throughout his history has constantly sought to be a god. Not merely a god, but THE GOD in absolute control of all things throughout the world and even the universe. There are a variety of reasons that keeps such a thing on his limited mind and heart, but there is no question that anything allowing him to become more of a true prophet, is something he would kill anyone and everyone to get his hands on. And with such a computer, he would have such a thing.

With a large enough computer and the Equation of Space, anything that is possible to be accomplished could be designed in serious detail. Any invention imaginable that was actually doable could be designed to a tee. Any and every cure for any illness could be fully designed along with the required means to deliver it. Of coarse, also any and every potential disease could also be designed. Every type of religion could be designed, every type of governance as well. Whoever had such a computer could answer any and every whim whether for good or bad.

So what would you do with such a device if it was in your hands? What goal would you seek for the human race?

Realize that what I have formed in RM, was already formed in perhaps a more crude way back in the 1950’s. Of course there have always been crude forms throughout history. And by being to close right without being exactly right, the more powerfully dangerous people get. So today, as such endeavors get closer and closer to being “close enough”, the threat to all humanity increases greatly depending on the sanity of the people running the program and making the choices as to what future will be constructed.

Many stories and films have been made with such a thought in mind. Many worries and many hopes have been dreamt. Television shows such as Dr. Who explores in fanciful form the types of concerns that are revealed by being able to see (or “travel”) into the past and future, “do this, and lets see what comes of what you just did”.

What I find most disturbing is not the potential power of such a device in the hands of the wrong people, but rather that there seems to be no “right people” who actually have a sane idea concerning what the future “should be”, what goal to design toward.

With a great deal of experience toying with such a device without actually implementing the proposed changes in the world, the lusts for power gets quailed into a far more moderate understanding, less passion and more compassion. The final question of “why bother to do anything” gets answered without passion presumptions or primitive yearnings. But how do you stop the lust to implement “close enough” before the more favorable designs have been explored?

Given the chance, the rationality in RM settles into the soul to allow the noise of lustful passions for control and domination to calm and fade. Man then has to decide for what purpose he is to actually do anything for sake of the future. His mind and heart becomes clear of his presumptions. The “Sin” within Man himself fades.

I said that the Equation for Space has already been developed in crude form and by some very influential people. But how do I know it is in “crude” form? I know by comparison of the fruit of such a “tree of knowledge”. What I see is exemplary of the “close enough” equation in the lustful wrong hands. What I see is insidious manipulation where none was needed, death, misery, and destruction where none was needed.

The RM model does not inspire to seek total domination of all reality. It displays the consequences of such attempts to be disastrous and eventually futile. It shows a more sane way of achieving sanity among homosapian; less death, misery, and destruction of what humanity is, more freedom and less struggle for all concerned.

A man once asked, “what do you do with 300 million insane people?” I now must ask, “what do you do with 6.5 billion of them?” Let them see the futures they propose? Will that bring sanity among them? Will that inspire true rationality in Man for perhaps the first time? “Close enough” is going to make him extinct. That part is already foreseeable.



What exactly is it that you have formed? What are you talking about with this "device"?
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:31 pm

WW_III_ANGRY wrote:What exactly is it that you have formed? What are you talking about with this "device"?

In short, a scaled model of a device that allows for extreme accuracy in predicting and thus total control of the future of Man. In effect, it is Dr Who's TARDIS without the actual "physical travel" feature.

Yes, I know that you don't believe it, but there is a big difference in speculative opinion and well founded assessment.

The question of the thesis is what should one do with such a device? It isn't the entire true scale version and thus can't be currently used to predict what would happen. But it offers that someone could merely fill in the blanks. Should it be given to the "world", or to whom, if anyone?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:41 pm

James S Saint wrote:
WW_III_ANGRY wrote:What exactly is it that you have formed? What are you talking about with this "device"?

In short, a scaled model of a device that allows for extreme accuracy in predicting and thus total control of the future of Man. In effect, it is Dr Who's TARDIS without the actual "physical travel" feature.

Yes, I know that you don't believe it, but there is a big difference in speculative opinion and well founded assessment.

The question of the thesis is what should one do with such a device? It isn't the entire true scale version and thus can't be currently used to predict what would happen. But it offers that someone could merely fill in the blanks. Should it be given to the "world", or to whom, if anyone?


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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:50 pm

WW_III_ANGRY wrote:What is your purpose for posting this if you don't think anyone will believe you?

The question involved.
Take it as a hypothetical.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby tentative » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:32 pm

I'm reminded of the movie "War Games", where the computer plays tic-tac-toe with all possible nuclear destruction modes and decides that it is all a lose-lose situation, shuts down our nuclear armaments and quits the game. Even a computer capable of 100% accurate prediction could only make predictions that would hold true for perhaps a nano-second until more variables forced it to make new predictions which would make "good enough" the same modality we use today. There might be an increase in accuracy prediction in the VERY short run, but ultimately, it's accuracy would be no long-term better than what we experience now. "Fixing" the universe is nothing new. We been at it since we climbed down out of the trees, but even as we finally grasp that all is a constant flow of noumena, predicting that flow escapes us - and it doesn't appear likely to ever change until the universe itself changes, which is highly unlikely.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:26 am

tentative wrote:I'm reminded of the movie "War Games", where the computer plays tic-tac-toe with all possible nuclear destruction modes and decides that it is all a lose-lose situation, shuts down our nuclear armaments and quits the game.

Yes, that was pretty much my point.

tentative wrote:Even a computer capable of 100% accurate prediction could only make predictions that would hold true for perhaps a nano-second until more variables forced it to make new predictions which would make "good enough" the same modality we use today. There might be an increase in accuracy prediction in the VERY short run, but ultimately, it's accuracy would be no long-term better than what we experience now. "Fixing" the universe is nothing new. We been at it since we climbed down out of the trees, but even as we finally grasp that all is a constant flow of noumena, predicting that flow escapes us - and it doesn't appear likely to ever change until the universe itself changes, which is highly unlikely.

But then the same had been said concerning flying.
There is no question that the scenario can be created.
There is no question that Man has on many occasions attempted such a thing.
And fairly recently, more than one such "god" was formed, thus causing each a serious problem in having to predict the other.
You are living in the aftermath of that contest right now.

But those aren't the only scenarios available.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:31 am

This is that "Equation of Space" that provides a single field which explains all others in physics.
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That equation is absolutely necessarily true, although I have not explained how to use it.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby Arminius » Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:48 pm

James S Saint wrote:This is that "Equation of Space" that provides a single field which explains all others in physics.
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That equation is absolutely necessarily true, although I have not explained how to use it.

Would you mind telling me a bit about the equation itself (for example about the term to the right of the "p +")?
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:14 pm

Arminius wrote:Would you mind telling me a bit about the equation itself (for example about the term to the right of the "p +")?

In common English, the equation states that every point in space is defined by the sum of its potential-to-affect, "p", and all changes to its potential-to-affect - the time derivatives.

In philosophical terms, it is merely stating that every point in existence is defined by the rate of change of its potential to alter the degree of existence (its ability to affect anything = its degree of existence).

The terms following the "p +" are the sum of all changes at all rates in p through time, expressed as the sum:
a0*dp/dt +
a1*d²p/dt² +
a2*d³ p/dt³ + ...

wherein the "a" values are scalars suited to each point.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby Arminius » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:16 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Would you mind telling me a bit about the equation itself (for example about the term to the right of the "p +")?

In common English, the equation states that every point in space is defined by the sum of its potential-to-affect, "p", and all changes to its potential-to-affect - the time derivatives.

In philosophical terms, it is merely stating that every point in existence is defined by the rate of change of its potential to alter the degree of existence (its ability to affect anything = its degree of existence).

The terms following the "p +" are the sum of all changes at all rates in p through time, expressed as the sum:
a0*dp/dt +
a1*d²p/dt² +
a2*d³ p/dt³ + ...

wherein the "a" values are scalars suited to each point.

I thought so. But if all terms following the "p +" (thus the "pta +") are "the sum of all changes at all rates in p through time", then they have to include the entire time of the universe, thus also the future of the universe. Okay, this could also be a part of my thread "Universe and Time".
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:07 am

Arminius wrote:How did you figure out the use of the equation? Did you use the equation? And if you did: How did you do it? 8)

The first key is to realize that every affect comes with a direction of affect and each and every 3D direction has its own equation of space for every point in space. All of those listed change rates are different for every possible direction. So for example, headed directly to the right, the following value set might apply for point A:
E{right} = [0.5, 0.01, 0.0001, 0.023, ....]

But also at the exact same time at point A, headed in the upward direction, the following equation applies:
E{upward} = [0.5, 0.001, 0.02, 0.7, ....]

Of course every angle must be handled and there are an infinite number of such directions in 3D, so the challenge got a bit tough. I not only had an infinite series for a billion points, but an infinite number of infinite series for each of a billion points, all of which had to be calculated for each picosecond tic.

The resolve took a very long time for my little brain to figure out. I basically had to prove that each preferred method (due to simplicity or speed) of emulating space would not work.

The project was to emulate affects propagating through a small bit of space in whatever direction they might take.

If you allow space to be represented by a matrix of points (locations), the question arises as to how these points are to be situated. Aristotle proposed that a tetrahedron could properly fill space. That turned out to be incorrect, although pretty close. What is called "space-filling" became my study for a while. I tried all kinds of combinations of shapes with which to fill space along with which equations would have to be used to emulate the propagation of an affect in any direction. I wanted to simplify for sake of speed and memory usage, but that turned out to be quite a challenge.

Not being able to use any of the standard methods and after getting very, very creative in coming up with new methods (that didn't quite cut it), I almost gave up on being able to realistically emulate space. Eventually, it dawned on me that I could use the simple cube matrix to fill space, but I couldn't calculate each point for each tic of time. Merely a 1000x1000x1000 pixel matrix, 1 billion points, would represent perhaps 10 nanometers of space and leave a matrix of 1 billion simultaneous equations to have to resolve for every tic of time (one "frame"), which might represent merely one picosecond or less. That would take an average PC possibly years to calculate each picosecond of time. So I had to find a way to update the state of that tiny metaspace without losing accuracy concerning the propagation of affects through the space and calculate thousands of tic frames within a reasonable completion time.

Eventually I figured out the "Afflate".

An afflate (an affectance oblate) is a proposed, or selected, small portion of affectance that can be treated as a single propagating affect and a "virtual particle" (even though it is not an actual particle at all). And an afflate might have any small size or shape. An afflate is very similar to a photon, although greatly smaller than a light photon. Each afflate has many characteristics such as density, potential, and propagation direction.

What I finally realized is that I could track millions of these random afflates as they each propagated in their own direction rather than trying to calculate the changes that were occurring at each of a billion points. And that allowed for me to emulate the propagation of affects within the space. The end result eventually led to being able to watch particles form merely because of the manner in which random affects naturally occur, such as in these renderings:

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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby Arminius » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:29 pm

The word "afflate" means probably the compound word of the two words "affectance" and "oblate". Is it a tiny objectified affectance? Is it a tiny thing of affectance?
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby phyllo » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:50 pm

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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:34 pm

Arminius wrote:The word "afflate" means probably the compound word of the two words "affectance" and "oblate". Is it a tiny objectified affectance? Is it a tiny thing of affectance?

Sorry, I didn't see that post earlier.

Yes, "afflate" is merely an ultra tiny amount of affectance of non-specific size. In the program, I have the computer randomly assign afflate sizes from ultra, ultra tiny to merely ultra tiny along with random densities and PtA levels. It usually takes from 20,000 to 200,000 within the small metaspace to emulate anything with reasonable statistical accuracy.

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That anime is probably using 100,000 afflates to fill the 3D space with the intensity turned up so high that you can't see into the space, merely the surface of the cube. What you see buzzing around are the random afflates. I used yellow for negative PtA levels and blue for positive with varied levels of each. The result is somewhat blue-greenish. Normally, with the intensity adjusted properly, all of that same activity is going on, but you don't see it until it concentrates such as in the following one while the particle aggregates or accumulates.

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The software is very precisely calculating each tiny movement based upon the general behavior of affectance upon affectance (afflates passing through other afflates). The calculation gets a bit hairy as it considers the density, cross wind, density slopes, and PtA variations, all in 3D and for each of the 100,000 afflates for each tiny movement. It takes quite a while to render one of those animes.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:53 pm

Actually for UP1001, this thread from 2012 introduces what I first called "Rational Metaphysics" before I realized that RM is merely the method for creating an ontology. The first ontology created from it is "Affectance Ontology", thus now I refer to "RM:AO". Affectance Ontology is a new foundation from which all fields of science (real science) become united, meaning that the exact same principles/"laws" apply to every field because they are logically necessary consequences of fundamental, relevant definitions.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:31 am

An update to this topic:

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Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:09 pm

This is all very interesting but practical demonstrations are more valid than either computer simulations or elegant theories. Potentially falsifiable hypotheses subjected to the rigour of the scientific method are what is needed here. Without that it is just speculation. Even if what you propose is actually true there is
no way of knowing. Your own self confidence is simply not good enough and so try and work towards testing these theories of yours if you can. I am especially
interested in the theory of faster than light travel regarding semi particles. Have you run that past any theoretical physicists and if so what was their reaction
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:47 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:This is all very interesting but practical demonstrations are more valid than either computer simulations or elegant theories. Potentially falsifiable hypotheses subjected to the rigour of the scientific method are what is needed here.

Already been done. You are merely not in a situation to be able to know it. And it wasn't a "simulation", but rather an emulation. There is a very serious and relevant distinction. An emulation is a type of proof because the actual principles are being used so as to cause the result. If the theory isn't right, you don't get the right result. A simulation is merely for display purposes, often not using any of the principles involved but rather merely moving pictures around as per its program directive.

surreptitious57 wrote:Without that it is just speculation. Even if what you propose is actually true there is
no way of knowing. Your own self confidence is simply not good enough and so try and work towards testing these theories of yours if you can. I am especially interested in the theory of faster than light travel regarding semi particles. Have you run that past any theoretical physicists and if so what was their reaction

As with ALL modern day Science, YOU cannot know but only speculate that what you have been told in magazines is true. You will believe what I have been saying only when they tell you to believe it. And yes, I have taught it to practicing physicists. It all takes time and they don't really care.

RM:AO rationally explains what has already been witnessed without having to twist space or time concepts. It is philosophically clean. But there is very little that it proposes as practical advantage over formulas already being used whether those formulas make any rational sense or not. So it is not like a grand revelation for practicing physicists. It is instead mostly just a unified, rationally consistent explanation with nothing to prove other than the consistency of the logic involved. They already know how to accomplish what they are after. RM:AO merely yields a logically consistent explanation for WHY what they do works. For instance, RM:AO gives the first rational explanation as to why the Young Double-slit experiment works the way that it does. But it doesn't change the outcome. The RM:AO explanation can be falsified by a process described below.

The subject of faster than light travel is a little complex and probably not as interesting as you think. The idea of people or space ships traveling faster than light is not at all reasonable. There is a lot of explaining to do merely to understand the subject.

Double-Slit Hypothesis

In the double-slit experiment concerning singularly generated particles, a double-slit screen is positioned between a particle source and a detection screen or device. The screen then displays what is seen as an “interference pattern” revealing the location of where each particle struck the screen after passing through the slits. For more than a century people have been confounded as to exactly why an interference pattern would appear when it seems impossible that any interference could exist.

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Using a new theory producing method, dubbed “RM”, and a new ontology, Affectance Ontology, I hypothesize that if the inner surface of the double-slit screen was altered to a specific surface shape, particles would no longer create a significant interference pattern, but waves still would. Since a photon seems as a particlized wave, I suspect that photons would show little difference from their typical interference pattern, as their inherent wave properties would still have predominate effect. But if they also stopped showing the interference pattern, it would indicate that photons really are strictly particles.

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Note that the inner walls of the screen must be randomized in height such that its greatest height is equal to or greater than the expected largest interference pattern wavelength. All inner walls should have a random surface. It would be good if the display screen was also shaped similarly, but such should not be necessary.
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:57 pm

One does not have to believe any thing scientists say for two reasons. Firstly belief is an article of faith and has zero place in science
Secondly all scientific experiments can be replicated or explained. So it is not necessary to have to just accept the word of scientists

Regarding faster than light travel : objects of mass cannot travel faster than light because time would stop and start going backwards. Which would
violate the law of cause and effect so it is not physically possible. For even photons cannot travel faster than light and they do not experience time
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Re: Rational Metaphysics: The Equation for Space

Postby James S Saint » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:12 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:One does not have to believe any thing scientists say for two reasons. Firstly belief is an article of faith and has zero place in science
Secondly all scientific experiments can be replicated or explained. So it is not necessary to have to just accept the word of scientists

But YOU are not a scientist or ontologist. All you can do is read what they tell you, not really any different than the Church.

surreptitious57 wrote:Regarding faster than light travel : objects of mass cannot travel faster than light because time would stop and start going backwards. Which would
violate the law of cause and effect so it is not physically possible. For even photons cannot travel faster than light and they do not experience time

It is true that mass particles can only travel faster than light for the very brief time while they are forming. But the reason isn't because of time stopping. That is just another effect. Mass cannot be a particle if it is propagating at the speed of light. It would merely become light. And of course, there is no such thing as time running backwards (not counting the act of moving particles forwardly into a prior situation. Some magazines will call that reversing time).

And you are right that light photons do not experience time. Time is the measure of relative changing between two things and a light photon doesn't have anything changing relative to anything else. The affectance that makes up the photon is all propagating together in the same direction as a single clump. As long as the photon is traveling in a straight line, no part of it is changing any differently than any other part, thus there is no time to be measured. While passing a gradient mass field, one side of the photon will be slowed slightly more than the other, causing the photon to bend its trajectory. During that process, the affectance that wasn't slowed is lost while more is gained in the new direction.

This clip shows "Afflate" travel. An afflate is basically the same thing as a light photon, merely much smaller and simpler, thus afflates and light photons are "virtual particles" and behave the same:


These are some related anime gifs:
Light photons are normally (and almost always) produced by a puff of stored affectance escaping from between the orbiting electrons and the nucleus of atoms. To make a laser beam, they are produced at regular intervals and thus described, somewhat inaccurately, as a sine wave.
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The little puffs tend to maintain their shape as long as they don't run into anything substantial. When they pass through mass fields (gravity fields), they appear to alter their course, but in reality, they are being reformed (losing some affectance going one direction and picking up some that is going the new direction) such as to slowly migrate toward a different direction.

The following depict extremely small afflates or photons. Normal light photons are huge compared to particles.
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Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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