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Re: How gravity works

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:39 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:Yeah, but I have a leg to stand on scientifically and interweaving with nature to actually look at what is there. Do you have something to actually legitly contradict what I have theorized and hypothesized or are you just babbling?

In fear of boasting, I am way, way past your confusions. But just to help get you started, think about this one issue first:

When a large object is set to spin and there is a small object lightly attached, would you expect the small object to fly off of the larger one, or to press down more tightly? Most would recognize merely intuitively that the smaller object would fly off of the larger. That is the effect called "centrifugal force". And in order to keep the small object upon the larger while it spins (such as a person upon the Earth), a "centripetal force" must be applied to hold the smaller object down onto the larger. The nomenclature has been established to call that inherent centripetal force, "gravity".

That is merely the issue of what is called by which name: gravity is the centripetal force from the mass of a larger object holding a small object down, not the centrifugal force from the spin which attempts to drive the object up and away. The Earth's spin actually causes objects to be slightly lighter at the equator where the velocity of the spin is greatest. Water tends to travel toward that equator (forcing the ice toward the poles). If the Earth spun fast enough, the ocean water would begin to spray up into the air along the equator seemingly all by itself.

The Moon orbits the Earth due to a velocity that it acquired long ago. The Earth's spin has nearly nothing to do with it (except that the Moon was probably a part of the Earth very long ago). In the Moon's orbit, both the centripetal and the centrifugal "forces" are balanced, thus the Moon goes neither away nor nearer, but merely orbits the Earth. The Earth's mass provides the centripetal force and the momentum of the Moon provides the centrifugal force.

None of that explains WHY gravity works. All of that was merely to catch you up to the designated nomenclature and very well established science involved. WHY gravity works is currently beyond public science, but is easy to understand with a little different education.
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Re: How gravity works

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:59 pm

That was completely irrelevant to the discussion.
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Re: How gravity works

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:02 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:That was completely irrelevant to the discussion.

:lol:

Hardly .. #-o
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: How gravity works

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:06 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:That was completely irrelevant to the discussion.

:lol:

Hardly .. #-o


It is, though. It's side-tracking. How the moon goes around the Earth is completely different from explaining how gravity works, which is what I did in rudimentary form. There are, undoubtedly, other things that go into play in creating the atmospheric conditions we know as well as our gravitational forces. I don't know everything and don't pretend to. All I ever said is that I know enough to go off of and I don't leap before looking. I make sure there's enough evidence reinforcing what I believe and then I even believe contrary and contradictory to it just to challenge it and if it ceases to make sense, I discard it. What I have posted above is an accumulation over time of thought and observance and not just a 'sophomoric' approach.

And, I am going to take it seriously when you step to and try to discredit an actual idea. You wanted to fight this fight and it gets nastier from here on out.
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Re: How gravity works

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:18 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:explaining how gravity works, which is what I did in rudimentary form.

No, you did not. You began your explanation with:
Some Guy in History wrote:Our gravity comes from the fact that we spin on our axis giving the illusion of the sun setting and the moon waxing and waning, creating centripetal forces spinning

I merely mentioned that spinning causes centrifugal force, flying off, not centripetal, being held down.


Some Guy in History wrote: I don't know everything and don't pretend to. All I ever said is that I know enough to go off of and I don't leap before looking.

Well, I am afraid that you have actually leaped before looking (and not only on this topic). Leaping before looking seems to be your motif (hence the "sophomore syndrome" - learning a little more causing a feeling of knowing a lot more).

Some Guy in History wrote: I make sure there's enough evidence reinforcing what I believe

No, clearly you do not. But at least you recognize that one should.

Some Guy in History wrote:and then I even believe contrary and contradictory to it just to challenge it and if it ceases to make sense, I discard it. What I have posted above is an accumulation over time of thought and observance and not just a 'sophomoric' approach.

Perhaps a better approach would be to discuss it on a forum like this wherein people can show you errors that you would not have caught yourself (aka "Resolution Debating") .. BEFORE drawing conclusions.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: How gravity works

Postby Some Guy in History » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:27 pm

I merely mentioned that spinning causes centrifugal force, flying off, not centripetal, being held down.


And all I said in response to that was that you only described one side of Centrifugal force. The standard definition. That standard is incomplete without the flip side which you claim to be centripetal and yet is still wholly different than Centripetal.

Well, I am afraid that you have actually leaped before looking (and not only on this topic). Leaping before looking seems to be your motif (hence the "sophomore syndrome" - learning a little more causing a feeling of knowing a lot more).


How do you figure when I knew enough of what I was talking about before talking about and still have not made a complete ass out of myself like you have.

No, clearly you do not. But at least you recognize that one should.


I have proven that I do beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Perhaps a better approach would be to discuss it on a forum like this wherein people can show you errors that you would not have caught yourself (aka "Resolution Debating") .. BEFORE drawing conclusions.


Perhaps you all would be wise to do the same and take your own advice. I'm going to bypass the standard return insult of 'but at least you recognize that one should' because it's fucking trite. Besides, if you have such experience, isn't that what we're doing here and this forum that is similarly designed for this? Is that not what you yourself are bringing in bullshit fashion: opposition?
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Re: How gravity works

Postby James S Saint » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:10 pm

Try to avoid being blind to how much it is your loss and not mine.

If you don't care how people perceive you, I certainly have no reason to either.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: How gravity works

Postby Some Guy in History » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:47 pm

James S Saint wrote:Try to avoid being blind to how much it is your loss and not mine.

If you don't care how people perceive you, I certainly have no reason to either.


I find that my perception of myself should mean more than what other people perceive, since they often perceive negatively and come at me in attack when I never bother to think of attacking them. I am about the pursuit and furthering of knowledge and since, strangely, that's happening while there's fighting, then I'm learning to enjoy the fighting. How am I losing?
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Re: How gravity works

Postby James S Saint » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:22 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:I find that my perception of myself should mean more than what other people perceive, since they often perceive negatively and come at me in attack when I never bother to think of attacking them.

As they say, "Another one is born every minute".

... and that is how you are "losing".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: How gravity works

Postby Some Guy in History » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:34 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:I find that my perception of myself should mean more than what other people perceive, since they often perceive negatively and come at me in attack when I never bother to think of attacking them.

As they say, "Another one is born every minute".

... and that is how you are "losing".



There are lot's of reasons why I'm 'losing'; but don't ever mistake my loss as a loss and anything less than the victory it is.
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