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Re: Trump Supporter

Postby Meno_ » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:22 am

There still remains the lurid record of the purges of members of the ancient regime, memorialized by the most famous scene of the murder of Marat.

As far as the foibles of history go, pictures are worth far more then words. Your pictorial representations are very relevant to the motive of the course of this discussion.
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Re: Trump Supporter

Postby Arminius » Wed May 24, 2017 9:08 pm

Meno_ wrote:There still remains the lurid record of the purges of members of the ancient regime, memorialized by the most famous scene of the murder of Marat.

As far as the foibles of history go, pictures are worth far more then words. Your pictorial representations are very relevant to the motive of the course of this discussion.

Yes, but note that pictures are not always far more worth than words. They too can give you the wrong impression and are used for the purpose of propaganda
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Re: Trump Supporter

Postby Meno_ » Fri May 26, 2017 12:23 am

Arminius wrote:
Meno_ wrote:There still remains the lurid record of the purges of members of the ancient regime, memorialized by the most famous scene of the murder of Marat.

As far as the foibles of history go, pictures are worth far more then words. Your pictorial representations are very relevant to the motive of the course of this discussion.


Yes, but note that pictures are not always far more worth than words. They too can give you the wrong impression and are used for the purpose of
propaganda


The worth of propaganda is not always evaluated in terms of right or wrong, they are mostly seen for what they are worth in terms of being effective or not.


When Trump's involvement allegedly underlying the conspiracy to stop the investigation is muted by a picture of Trump's audience with the pope, some die
hard members of his base, some Catholic, interpret
this positively toward the base allegation; whereas Spicer's exclusion from said meeting may not create a positive image, without the actual photograph.


The thoughts of the former usually creat positive inference, whereas the later, more likely shift toward a
non pictorial reasoning process, as to an absence, a shift from a figurative to a literal basing of cognition.


The goodness or badness of the propaganda value, at first, do not involve the question of which presentation is good or bad, but instead compares
the picture of Trump with the verbal content of the other. Which propaganda is of more value in terms of getting to the truth? The absence of Spicer, literally, or the presence of Trump figuratively?
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Re: Trump Supporter

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:00 pm

A constitutional crisis. It has been suggested that a debate on Trump , at this point might be premature, and the better way may consist in a contest between the pros and cons of capitalism.


I think to argue that may also incite those who look at the world-soul as a unitary ideal between the sudden upsurge of Uber-materialism of relatively
recent panic reaction to its possible demolition, and,
its moral position as the basis for a credible social system.


Therefore the introduction of a world out of alignment between its present delicate material versus its moral-spiritual component, has come to a point of
crisis, a crisis that has not been precedented in its
scope and potential magnitude in the amount of damage hidden within its folds of repressed mania.


That the mania is two fold, rather, three, is inherent in the Freudian one primarily, an erotomania of the extremist kind, as manifested in its various
signatures of weltschmertz, as it comes through a
kind of shaded lens, one that betokens to more kindly times of deflection, of which less and less is apparent.



Secondarily, the very subtle political shift which has
equally been subverted, in the sphere of the
constitution, in both senses of the social and psychological and the political one. Because, the difference between the US Constitution's promise of a
calibrated and synced, and attuned relation between
human rights, vested and guaranteed by the implied tools of getting there-by the enjoyment of life, the material manifestation of social economics and the
rights to attain them through the power of the self, Sought to sustain it'self of its right for self determination.


That these two spheres have come totally unglued, and currently are only sustained through the ever repeating and increasingly ominous re-appearance of
cryptic and cynical sophistry, condescendingly
pressing into an incredulous public the dictum, that power needs no explanation to clarify, because, times are complex, and the herd is basically fodder anyway.


The effects are obvious, and the fact that things are allowed to go on, in spite of astounding abuses of
power, constitutional decomposition, and the
by which lies have become a matter of fact accepted way to carry on daily life, support it, have become commonplace , daily occurances.
I will not speak of the consequences either way, but one thing is very clear:Capital is in deep trouble, and the political, economic, and military apparatus is geared to the n'th degree, poised to defend it by
whatever it takes, even the use of weapons of mass
destruction, or the abbrigation , or elimination of human rights, as we have come to understand them.
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Re: Trump Supporter

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:47 pm

The only reason for this new, relative and uncanny ability to hold on to power, is, that democracy is failing as well, at a time when Capital is in its greatest peril since it's inception.

The liberals and their counterparts, their constituency are increasingly becoming hostile among themselves
subliminally acting out of their diminishing sense of their own being, in terms of their sense of
constitution. Here, constitution in its generic sense, i
mplies a psychosocial existence, increasingly experienced as being on seige, by forces, outside of their own sense of control. Increasingly, society
surrenders more and more to upper echelon
authority, by virtue of being in direct relation to their own sense of dispossession from traditional introjected roles within that sense.


This dissipated constitution,reminds of earlier , now archaic categories of psychiatric nomenclature, such as in a psychoneurotic category of the past: neurasthenia.

The libido surges to overcome this general fatigue, in a desperate effort to overcome the loss of power, by a resulting erotomania, filling the emptying middle self ideal with a libinized ideal, forming a renewed interest in the looking glass-mirror of the vanity by which the evil queen was destroyed by vanity, before she exclaimed-who is the fairest of them all? This mirror stage was applied in French symbolism, and incorporated as the modus operans of an existential process of the post Freudians, Attari in particular.

The reduction of a dated and porous Freudianism, to this new ontology of mirrored effects, reflects the ambiguity inherent in an original constitution. That the solution can only be found in the fetish, the loosening of meaningful associations, a cut up of symbolic ties, is a defensive process; vis, almost to the point of pre-figuring the omnious implications which a socially disintegrated aesthetic can cause, without breaking the main significant anchored line of signification. This looseness of the aesthetic, of the phenomenal, has the more, re-asserted the projective necessity for the noumenal.

This process is fast becoming the normal, the expressive relativity of correctness, and is not meant as suggestive, only a kind of sketch, of an internalization of the inner soul of a narcissist.
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Re: Trump Supporter

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:15 am

Since no challenge has been given, I propose the following: I will debate either side of the argument, based on my divided opinion 50/50) on the proposed issue. Most all opinion polls have split evenly on the proposed debate on this issue, so, just like in chess, when you are given the choice of choosing black or white randomly, I will follow that format, on basis of chance, rather then political bias. At this point, on basis of in house polls, and the great political divide, I cannot decisively claim to have any bias at all. So if someone wants to debate , I will at this point afford the benefit of choosing which side of the argument he/she wants to argue, hoping this will enhance the possibility of a meaningful debate, apart from personalities' appearently bias.
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