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### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right.

Gloominary wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:Fact: Not everybody on the far-right likes Donald Trump. In fact it's split pretty even down the middle where half really like Donald Trump and other half really hates his fucking guts. I represent the portion that hates him.

Donald Trump: same clown, different makeup.

Fact: Not everybody in the far-right is a hyper capitalist or supporter of crony capitalism.

Also split down in the middle. Half of the far-right are libertarian capitalists and the other half are national socialists. I represent the national socialist faction.

To describe my beliefs I'm very much an economic leftist or socialist but when it concerns race, culture, sex, tradition, family, and general social interaction I'm very much a social conservative.

My social, political and economic philosophy is basically a synthesis of the two.
I'm a national social democrat as opposed to an international social democrat.
On society, I'm in favor of some libertarianism, more conservatism and nationalism (the ingroup/majority first, insular) and no progressivism and globalism (outgroups/minorities first, outsular).
On government, I'm in favor of democracy.
On the economy, I'm in favor of some capitalism, more socialism and no corporatism.

I'm pretty live and let live, but insofar as government intervenes in our personal lives, it should be to help us make healthier choices, as opposed to say, helping an 8 year old cut his junk off.
I look at LGBT the way I look at alcohol and marijuana, like you should be free to do it, but it's nothing to be proud of, having a traditional family is, and keep it away from kids.

I think women should have as many rights as men, not more like they do now, but I also think most kids will be better off if the mother stays home while the father works, if financially feasible (and that's where reducing taxes and introducing supplementary income for the working class comes in, as well as increasing taxes and ending corporate welfare for the upper class, nationalizing the central banks and putting the banksters in jail).

I also think we should stop immigration from non-white countries, deport all illegals and refugees, and encourage some nonwhites to go back to their country of origin.

On science and medicine, I'm in favor of more alternative and DIY science and medicine.
I think science and government are hiding a lot of things about health and the nature of reality from us.
They want to keep us dumbed down, misinformed and sick, that way we're easier to manage and profit off of.

On technology, I think we've picked all the low hanging fruit sort of speak, what's left is either presently out of reach, unripe or poisonous.
I think tech should help preserve and protect what we are and evolve naturally, rather than transform us into something we're not.
It should enhance and supplement our lives, rather than substitute or replace them.
Tech exists to serve humanity, not the other way around.
We have to be more careful with how we proceed technologically, not try to fix what's not broken.
We got the wrong idea about tech.

That being said, I'm in favor of CO2 and global warming, the globe isn't warm enough, but as I've said elsewhere, I'm against 5G, geo and genetic engineering, nanotech and apprehensive about Ai.
CO2 is a nutrient, it's either a boon, not a concern or the least of them, but I am concerned about unnecessarily dumping toxic chemicals, the endangerment of species, unnecessary deforestation and scientific meddling.

Basically I'm a populist and for a healthier, more sustainable civilization.
I want to put the people, both as individuals and the white working class majority (our backbone) first, as opposed to the elite or minorities first.
I'm a populist because why the hell would I put others ahead of me and my people?
That's masochistic, servile and suicidal.
It doesn't mean I don't care about others, it just means I prioritize.
Let's spend most of our resources on us, and if we have a little something leftover, then perhaps we can help others.

There's no such thing as an antipopulist or unpopulist democracy, both elitism and pluralism are unpopular and undemocratic, populism and democracy are synonymous.
Our elite want to do the very opposite, promote the interests of themselves and minorities at the expense of ours as individuals and the white working class majority, as well as promote disease, death and conduct radical, reckless and unnecessary scientific experiments on a massive scale.
I've come to realize the elite aren't just selfish, they're anti-human and anti-life.
In all honesty, I'm not even sure they are entirely human.

Fact: Not everybody are traditional Christians either. There's actually a variation of different religious philosophies present in far-right circles. I would describe myself as a spiritual pagan and most definitely not a Christian.

I'm an agnostic and pretty secular, but insofar as government intervenes in our religious lives, it should be to promote white paganism.
Christianity at its core is Zionist, and I'm not a Zionist.
Israel and Jews have proven time and time, and time again they are not an ally.

These instances I believe are major misconceptions about today's modern far-right social political circles that the general public has throughout the West presently.

Right, the alt right is diverse, perhaps more so than the alt left.

I don't like the Alt-Right label in that I believe it is nothing more than a giant psyop in that there is controlled opposition along with infiltrators, government spies, or impostors everywhere.

I just like to think of myself as being a part of the classical traditional far-right, you know the way things were before the whole Alt-Right came onto the scene messing things up.

I honestly can't stand Alt-right Trump supporters, they annoy the hell out of me.

As far as I'm concerned Donald Trump and his supporters have no business in far-right circles.
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Gloominary wrote:I want to add this movement is international, it isn't being lead by Donald Trump. There is Maxime Bernier in Canada, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Nigel Farage in Britain, Marine Le Pen in France, Matteo Salvini in Italy, FIS in Poland, Viktor Orban in Hungary and other political leaders as well as thousands of writers, speakers and organizations around the world. In the anglosphere, it tends to be more libertarian capitalist, in continental Europe more conservative socialist, but it's never liberal or progressive corporatist. What unites them all is nationalism as opposed to globalism by conquest or globalism by consent, whether it's a weaker civic nationalism or a stronger white and/or Christian nationalism, as well as a deep-seated and well-founded suspicion of and antagonism towards the social, political and economic establishment, especially of course but certainly not limited to the liberal or progressive establishment. You see I have a different perception, all those names you mentioned for me are controlled opposition. You got to remember that they have agents in all social political circles. All those names you mentioned are in bed with zionists including Donald Trump. Viktor Orban? I don't know what to make of him, he's an interesting character. For me cosmopolitan civic nationalism has no place in far-right circles either which I like to refer to as Globalism-Lite or fake nationalism. The only real nationalism is a racial and ethnic nationalism that opposes Global-Homo. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Gloominary wrote:The 1950s and early 60s were sort of the peak of Americanism. We had a good balance of capitalism, socialism and less cronyism. We had a good balance of libertarianism and conservatism and no liberalism or progressivism. Our immigration policy was designed to keep us majority white. North America, the EU and Australia are unraveling. If they don't change course soon, they'll collapse within the coming decades, and with them, much of the rest of the world. Balkanization, (civil) war and poverty will ensue. Zero Sum is right, Fascism and Nazism fell in the 40s, Communism in the 90s and in my estimation, Americanism will fall before 2050 if we don't radically reverse trajectory. The United States will economically collapse like the former Soviet Union sometime between 2020-2025. I think we'll start to really see this emerging crash into the existential abyss at the end of next year. Fascism will make a comeback along with racial nationalism because it's becoming clear that multiracial democracies, republics, and neo-liberalism are all total failures. At some point I plan on making a thread describing how all of this will transpire. Fascism will rise again in the chaotic vacuum of societal collapse, I'm really hoping it will be a racial national socialist form of fascism. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. MagsJ wrote:@Gloominary: The EU is unraveling because they got greedy, and Farage’s remit is pro Britain not pro white, as the UK encompasses Commonwealth countries, who are all about pro Britain/the Commonwealth countries. We like to keep it simple, not complicated.. there’s no need. We are a country, not a Continent.. unlike the US.. big difference. The US is more at a pivotal point in its history than any other nation in the world, fact! They need to resolve this, before they can progress. There’s always a way forward. Flooding Europe with Africans and Middle Easterners changing the racial genetic composition of entire ancient populations isn't helping. The European Union was designed to kill off European nationalism after the fallout of World War II. We have a similar problem with Central and South Americans in the United States where with Canada mostly Asians. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$

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### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right.

Gloominary wrote:The last half millennium has been interesting.
From the discovery of the Americas in 1492, to the end of the British empire in 1997, to today, the world witnessed the ascendency of whites and their civilization(s) and is witnessing their descendency.
First we colonized the Americas, then Australia, then Africa.
We became the most numerous, powerful and prosperous race on earth.
Now our numbers, both absolutely and relatively are declining, as well as our power and prosperity.
We went from colonizing the world, to decolonizing it, to entering a new age, an age of reverse colonization that began in 1965.
Whites forsook their values, adopted anti-values and are allowing themselves to be genocided.

It's reverse colonialism with international crony capitalist zionists running the west now that openly call for killing, destroying, and abolishing European whiteness. You're a racist if you acknowledge this openly or publicly.
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. MagsJ wrote:Discovered? like you discovered you had a penis when you first started masturbating.. only to realise it was always there. What do you propose or foresee, for the planet’s future? not a trick question.. Are you going to hold your own/whites up for scrutiny, seeing that you think them genocidal and therefore self-destructive? what and whom is stopping them from procreating, making babies, and populating the planet too with little thems? What? Yes, there were plenty of mistakes made in the past. I won't argue against that but let us not pretend genocide is purely a white thing either historically. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Urwrongx1000 wrote:Three self-admitted "Leftists" who have moved (somewhat) Right: admission at 45:33 mark. Jordan Peterstein and zionist Shapiro? "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. MagsJ wrote:You’re probably thinking of Tommy Robinson, who.. when he joined UKIP after being in the BNP, made its members leave in their droves, as UKIP is made up of many defected Conservatives and those from other parties, who don’t want to be associated with extremists, but do want to maintain some sort of national integrity and identity. Being pro-Britain does not have to mean pro-white.. and it generally doesn’t here, as even the BNP ain’t about that life, but about putting British Nationals first.. just like the other right-leaning Parties here are. It seems that what the West did to the rest of the world, the rest of the world is doing likewise to the West, and now the entire planet is suffering for what our ancestors did, but we ourselves are not responsible for, but the brunt of which we are privy to and burdened with. Sometimes it seems that America doesn’t want to resolve their issues, because if they really wanted to, they would have done so by now.. they’re smart enough people, aren’t they? Tommy Robinson, just another zionist lackey a part of the controlled opposition matrix. What exactly do you think is going to happen when the native British, Welsh, and Scots die off in Britain? You live in London, don't tell me you haven't seen the negative impacts of foreign immigration there going on the last thirty years. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$

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### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right.

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Pleasure Versus Principle:

This sums up the Modern-Post-Modern battle between the US political parties today. The Left had the momentum for awhile now. I believe the Left secured their power during the Bill Clinton presidency and with the Bush Jr. fiasco that followed after 9-11. The Neo-Cons severely hurt the credibility of US foreign policy, by using 9-11 as a false-flag to justify and attack Saddam Hussein. Thus the Liberal-Left (Democratic party) gained power which followed through all the way through Clinton and then Obama. Now here is where things get interesting. Trump used to be (and kind of still is) a Liberal. Trump has never been a hardline Republican or Conservative. He is quintessentially a businessman and non-political. Trump bragged about the routine of paying-off politicians, throughout his career. So the larger significance of Trump's election to presidency, is really a follow-through of this monumental shift to the apex of "Leftism". However, at the time of the start of Trump's run for presidency, I would consider him "Centrist" due to the larger societal shift to the Left. At least, Trump was 'Center' enough to earn trust within the Republican party. The Republican party, to their credit, felt the 'win' coming, and preferred to win, despite any implications of what that meant for the Republican party.

The win of Trump represents a shift in American centralization and power, a win of "New York Capitalism" over "Washington DC Establishment". Trump was elected by the people, because the people in general, have grown upset with US internal-corruption, which I'm quite certain, extended from 9-11 and then the unjustified war with Saddam Hussein. Thus the American people are at least wise enough to understand the internal 'feeling' and problem. The growth of distrust between common person and Washington DC meant that, eventually, America would vote for any person "Anti-Establishment" they could, who had clout. That Trump came from "completely outside" the political paradigm, was absolutely necessary.

My personal hypothesis is not confirmed, from 10 years ago, or longer, back in 2009. Liberals hate their own, more than they hate their opposition or outsiders. The reason for accepting Obama and rejecting Trump, should be clear to most Americans, based on the last two decades of "Progressive" propaganda shoved down everybody's throats. White man Bad, Black man Good. (But don't be racist!) This has caused an inversion in the Liberal-Left, who now push the boundary too far, and I believe, cracks and fragments are already spread throughout greater American "culture".

So what is Anti-Establishment? Well, also, what is "The Deep State"? Not too many intellectuals, thinkers, political philosophers, are even up-to-date or up-to-speed yet. I can answer these questions though. "Deep State", referring to un-elected officials representing the US Government or Power Structure. This includes the following: 1) Lobbyists, 2) The Military-Industrial Complex, 3) Corporate boards and CEOs, 4) Mass Media, and 5) State Departments, DHS, FBI, CIA, Foreign Embassies.

As depicted in the video above, for a whole generation (30+ years), the US government spends-spends-spends, irresponsibly, because nobody had the means, intention, or awareness to simply ask "can you cut a billion dollars?" There is no government oversight. I believe the reasoning for this is twofold, outside of Corruption which is most obvious. The first reason spawns from the excesses of national gains post WWII and post Cold War. Upon winning such wars, the US has gained massive growths in economy and wealth, and so, does not need to "worry" about spending. This is beginning to falter, because the previous capital of "wins" has run its course. There is no new income, except, industrial and social ingenuity (the rise of Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, and other institutions of Post-Modern "American Culture"). Again it is mentioned in the video, the largest outsourcing of America (for the past 10 years) has been "The American Dream". Thus I need to include Hollywood and the movie industry (other half of Media). The second aspect of Government spending, and corruption, stems from the Democratic platform of offering Welfare to the people in general, as a bribe/trade for votes. In other words, the Liberal-Left-Democrat, generally, wants to increase spending and increase taxes. While the Conservative-Right-Republican wants to decrease spending and decrease taxes. But, since Bush Sr. the debates ended about Budgeting, and instead, both parties started drinking deeply from the well. Greed, corruption, and bribery have run rampant, with both Democrats and Republicans taking part in the corruption (but Democrats more so).

Trump, as an outsider, and as a self-made Billionaire, avoids all the corruption, and can easily expose the corruption of Washington DC. Also, Trump's personality and legacy is the guy who "Fires!" everybody. Thus Washington DC has never encountered somebody who "Fires!" government employees, branches of government, officials, or threatens the financial welfare of State Departments. This is what has Washington DC completely shook. So while the Republicans defend Trump, the pact is tenuous, for as long as Trump keeps producing 'Wins' and votes for Republican bureaucrats. This is the trade between the Conservative-Right and Trump. Furthermore, to protect Trump from impeachment, Senate Majority Republicans have already hinted toward a "You are going to owe us for this", a price to be paid will be expected from Trump.

With all this in mind, the shift from Left to Right is becoming obvious. Average Americans are sick and tired of Media lies, and so alternative sources (the internet, google, youtube, twitter, etc) are being used to de-platform the classical media sources: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. Democrats recently threatened Facebook to enforce Censorship "or else face punishment and illegality" from Congress.

The biggest problem of all, which everybody on this forum should have been talking about a year ago, is the new attacks and threats against Free Speech. Why can't people name "The Whistleblower", who has no legitimacy and no legal recourse, when the center of an Impeachment process of the President of the United States?!? Am I the only one seeing this? Or am I the only one with the intelligence and balls to say it outright?!

This is the beginning of the end, of Democracy, and Free Speech, unless the threats are checked strongly, by a majority and consensus of Americans today. It should have been yesterday.

But, as discussed in this thread, led by the wise and holy "Zero_sum_Joker", there are *bigger issues* at work. And that is, the social and cultural division, perhaps a complete and messy Divorce, between Left and Right. If the hate is so strong, that the US Constitution is ignored, and the sides are willing to "go further", with speech censorship, sedition, and greater threats, while ignoring Washington DC corruption, then I already know the outcome today. And it will be the fall of Democracy. Because what's the point of voting for President, when the President can be impeached for literally no crime. And so you are truly not allowed to vote, unless it is Pro-Establishment.

And this is the real "Deep State", which is heavily entrenched in The Establishment, meaning billions and trillions of US tax dollars at work, lining the pockets of a million people who may not deserve it, may not be accountable, and believe they are "above the law".

Donald Trump is just another New World Order pawn placed there to oversee the national financial bankruptcy of the United States. I assure you that the United States is beyond saving now where its collapse is all but guaranteed.

When the United States collapses it will radically change the west forever and there will be chaos everywhere. There might even be a world war if people in positions of power become crazy enough to do so which is a distinct real possibility.
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote: Gloominary wrote:Donald Trump: same clown, different makeup. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Urwrongx1000 Philosopher Posts: 2336 Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:10 pm ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote: Gloominary wrote: Zero_Sum wrote:Fact: Not everybody on the far-right likes Donald Trump. In fact it's split pretty even down the middle where half really like Donald Trump and other half really hates his fucking guts. I represent the portion that hates him. Donald Trump: same clown, different makeup. Fact: Not everybody in the far-right is a hyper capitalist or supporter of crony capitalism. Also split down in the middle. Half of the far-right are libertarian capitalists and the other half are national socialists. I represent the national socialist faction. To describe my beliefs I'm very much an economic leftist or socialist but when it concerns race, culture, sex, tradition, family, and general social interaction I'm very much a social conservative. My social, political and economic philosophy is basically a synthesis of the two. I'm a national social democrat as opposed to an international social democrat. On society, I'm in favor of some libertarianism, more conservatism and nationalism (the ingroup/majority first, insular) and no progressivism and globalism (outgroups/minorities first, outsular). On government, I'm in favor of democracy. On the economy, I'm in favor of some capitalism, more socialism and no corporatism. I'm pretty live and let live, but insofar as government intervenes in our personal lives, it should be to help us make healthier choices, as opposed to say, helping an 8 year old cut his junk off. I look at LGBT the way I look at alcohol and marijuana, like you should be free to do it, but it's nothing to be proud of, having a traditional family is, and keep it away from kids. I think women should have as many rights as men, not more like they do now, but I also think most kids will be better off if the mother stays home while the father works, if financially feasible (and that's where reducing taxes and introducing supplementary income for the working class comes in, as well as increasing taxes and ending corporate welfare for the upper class, nationalizing the central banks and putting the banksters in jail). I also think we should stop immigration from non-white countries, deport all illegals and refugees, and encourage some nonwhites to go back to their country of origin. On science and medicine, I'm in favor of more alternative and DIY science and medicine. I think science and government are hiding a lot of things about health and the nature of reality from us. They want to keep us dumbed down, misinformed and sick, that way we're easier to manage and profit off of. On technology, I think we've picked all the low hanging fruit sort of speak, what's left is either presently out of reach, unripe or poisonous. I think tech should help preserve and protect what we are and evolve naturally, rather than transform us into something we're not. It should enhance and supplement our lives, rather than substitute or replace them. Tech exists to serve humanity, not the other way around. We have to be more careful with how we proceed technologically, not try to fix what's not broken. We got the wrong idea about tech. That being said, I'm in favor of CO2 and global warming, the globe isn't warm enough, but as I've said elsewhere, I'm against 5G, geo and genetic engineering, nanotech and apprehensive about Ai. CO2 is a nutrient, it's either a boon, not a concern or the least of them, but I am concerned about unnecessarily dumping toxic chemicals, the endangerment of species, unnecessary deforestation and scientific meddling. Basically I'm a populist and for a healthier, more sustainable civilization. I want to put the people, both as individuals and the white working class majority (our backbone) first, as opposed to the elite or minorities first. I'm a populist because why the hell would I put others ahead of me and my people? That's masochistic, servile and suicidal. It doesn't mean I don't care about others, it just means I prioritize. Let's spend most of our resources on us, and if we have a little something leftover, then perhaps we can help others. There's no such thing as an antipopulist or unpopulist democracy, both elitism and pluralism are unpopular and undemocratic, populism and democracy are synonymous. Our elite want to do the very opposite, promote the interests of themselves and minorities at the expense of ours as individuals and the white working class majority, as well as promote disease, death and conduct radical, reckless and unnecessary scientific experiments on a massive scale. I've come to realize the elite aren't just selfish, they're anti-human and anti-life. In all honesty, I'm not even sure they are entirely human. Fact: Not everybody are traditional Christians either. There's actually a variation of different religious philosophies present in far-right circles. I would describe myself as a spiritual pagan and most definitely not a Christian. I'm an agnostic and pretty secular, but insofar as government intervenes in our religious lives, it should be to promote white paganism. Christianity at its core is Zionist, and I'm not a Zionist. Israel and Jews have proven time and time, and time again they are not an ally. These instances I believe are major misconceptions about today's modern far-right social political circles that the general public has throughout the West presently. Right, the alt right is diverse, perhaps more so than the alt left. I don't like the Alt-Right label in that I believe it is nothing more than a giant psyop in that there is controlled opposition along with infiltrators, government spies, or impostors everywhere. Donald Trump is in all likelihood a complete and total fraud, but I doubt every civic national libertarian politician and popular social media personality is a complete fraud. I'm a white nationalist, but not every politician and social media personality who isn't a white nationalist is a total fraud. I just like to think of myself as being a part of the classical traditional far-right, you know the way things were before the whole Alt-Right came onto the scene messing things up. I think of myself as a populist, rather than far, alt or center right or left. Populism can be contrasted with pluralism (diversity, multiculturalism and multiracialism) on the one hand, and elitism on the other. It's about emancipating, empowering and putting the interests of the majority first (which means the white working and middle classes), as opposed to minorities, or elites first. For me, populism is something concrete. Basically It's center-right on social issues, democratic and center-left on economic issues. It's not far right or left, because both collectivism, and individualism are compatible with populism. The people express their will with their dollar and freedom of choice, with their guns and at the ballot box. If there's an excess of monetary and voter fraud, the people have the right to radically reform, or overthrow their government. Insofar as government intervenes, it should be primarily to further the interests of the majority. Rather than think of things in terms of right and left, I'd rather think of them in terms of inner and outer, or center/core and periphery. Populism is the blood and guts of a society, elites and minorities are the extremities, or else, not a part of it at all, alien. Elites and minorities become parasitical when they try to make themselves equal to the center, or put themselves at the center. They must be made to recognize they are of lesser importance. I have no desire to oppress anyone. However, they should be accommodating us. Populism is not scientific or religious elitism either. Science and religion are of 2ndary importance. What the people think, as individuals, communities and a collective, is primary. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote: Gloominary wrote:I want to add this movement is international, it isn't being lead by Donald Trump. There is Maxime Bernier in Canada, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Nigel Farage in Britain, Marine Le Pen in France, Matteo Salvini in Italy, FIS in Poland, Viktor Orban in Hungary and other political leaders as well as thousands of writers, speakers and organizations around the world. In the anglosphere, it tends to be more libertarian capitalist, in continental Europe more conservative socialist, but it's never liberal or progressive corporatist. What unites them all is nationalism as opposed to globalism by conquest or globalism by consent, whether it's a weaker civic nationalism or a stronger white and/or Christian nationalism, as well as a deep-seated and well-founded suspicion of and antagonism towards the social, political and economic establishment, especially of course but certainly not limited to the liberal or progressive establishment. You see I have a different perception, all those names you mentioned for me are controlled opposition. You got to remember that they have agents in all social political circles. All those names you mentioned are in bed with zionists including Donald Trump. Viktor Orban? I don't know what to make of him, he's an interesting character. I voted for Maxime Bernier. While I'm sure Donald Trump is full of it, I'm not sure about the others, some I haven't done enough research on, others haven't really had a chance to prove themselves yet by being elected. Democracy is perfectly compatible with white nationalism. Up until about 1965, Canada, the US and the UK were white national democracies. Our immigration policies were designed to keep us majority white. Israel, South Korea and Japan are ethno-states, and democracies. And the soviet union was, and Russia under Vladimir Putin is, a civic nationalist autocracy at best. For me cosmopolitan civic nationalism has no place in far-right circles either which I like to refer to as Globalism-Lite or fake nationalism. The only real nationalism is a racial and ethnic nationalism that opposes Global-Homo. While civic nationalism is inadequate for me, but it's a step in the right direction. Is it too little, too late? We'll see. Even still, all else being equal, I'd rather support a group of white nationlist revolutionaries who're in favor of some democracy than another group of white nationalist revolutionaries who aren't. I agree with you in that civic nationalism is not far-right, if anything it's center or center-left, far right would be would be mass-deportation of nonwhites. Last edited by Gloominary on Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:58 am, edited 2 times in total. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote:Flooding Europe with Africans and Middle Easterners changing the racial genetic composition of entire ancient populations isn't helping. The European Union was designed to kill off European nationalism after the fallout of World War II. We have a similar problem with Central and South Americans in the United States where with Canada mostly Asians. That enforced-influx of large immigration numbers is the weirdest phenomenon, that has been forced upon the Western Hemisphere.. I doubt things can get any worse, and I really don’t want to be proven wrong on that one. Zero_Sum wrote: MagsJ wrote:Are you going to hold your own/whites up for scrutiny, seeing that you think them genocidal and therefore self-destructive? what and whom is stopping them from procreating, making babies, and populating the planet too with little thems? What? Yes, there were plenty of mistakes made in the past. I won't argue against that but let us not pretend genocide is purely a white thing either historically. Sorry, I meant self-genocide, as in not reproducing.. so, what and whom is stopping the white populations from procreating, making babies, and populating the planet too with little thems? The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What? --MagsJ MagsJ The Londonist Posts: 19176 Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm Location: London, NC1 ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote:Tommy Robinson, just another zionist lackey a part of the controlled opposition matrix. What exactly do you think is going to happen when the native British, Welsh, and Scots die off in Britain? You live in London, don't tell me you haven't seen the negative impacts of foreign immigration there going on the last thirty years. I’ve spoken on the subject here before, but just to reiterate.. since Brexit was announced, immigration numbers drastically fell, as immigrants started leaving the UK soon after, and the numbers are still declining to an all-time low. So where London was over-run with an excess of people and workers, the streets are now accessible, and anxiety levels lower.. due to there being much-less people to navigate through on a daily basis. I think the UK cities, and Public, were at breaking point. The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What? --MagsJ MagsJ The Londonist Posts: 19176 Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:59 pm Location: London, NC1 ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote:Fascism will make a comeback along with racial nationalism because it's becoming clear that multiracial democracies, republics, and neo-liberalism are all total failures. At some point I plan on making a thread describing how all of this will transpire. Fascism will rise again in the chaotic vacuum of societal collapse, I'm really hoping it will be a racial national socialist form of fascism. Right, in addition to the schools of thought we already mentioned, *civic national libertarians and white national socialists, there's cultural national socialists (fascists). Last edited by Gloominary on Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:37 am, edited 1 time in total. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote: Gloominary wrote:The last half millennium has been interesting. From the discovery of the Americas in 1492, to the end of the British empire in 1997, to today, the world witnessed the ascendency of whites and their civilization(s) and is witnessing their descendency. First we colonized the Americas, then Australia, then Africa. We became the most numerous, powerful and prosperous race on earth. Now our numbers, both absolutely and relatively are declining, as well as our power and prosperity. We went from colonizing the world, to decolonizing it, to entering a new age, an age of reverse colonization that began in 1965. Whites forsook their values, adopted anti-values and are allowing themselves to be genocided. It's reverse colonialism with international crony capitalist zionists running the west now that openly call for killing, destroying, and abolishing European whiteness. You're a racist if you acknowledge this openly or publicly. Couldn't agree more, Zion is leading the revenge against the west, as it always has, since ancient times. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Gloominary wrote: Zero_Sum wrote:Fascism will make a comeback along with racial nationalism because it's becoming clear that multiracial democracies, republics, and neo-liberalism are all total failures. At some point I plan on making a thread describing how all of this will transpire. Fascism will rise again in the chaotic vacuum of societal collapse, I'm really hoping it will be a racial national socialist form of fascism. Right, in addition to the schools of thought we already mentioned, cultural national libertarians and white national socialists, there's cultural national socialists (fascists). Libertarians are on their own, fuck them! I always joke that there might have to be two white ethnic homelands or ethnostates, one for socialists and the other for libertarians. I totally hate and despise their crony capitalist mindsets. Once shit hits the fan these white upper middle class and wealthy people are going to find out real quick nobody is going to labor or toil for them concerning their shitty economic ideological beliefs. They're going to be forced to cut their own damn grass and work for themselves laboring. Don't want to adequately compensate people for their labor and treat them like actual human beings? Fine, go fuck off, and do it on your own! We're not going to be your disposable work mules any longer. Fuck off, and take your rugged radical individualism with you! The white working class is tired of being fucked over by the white upper middle class and wealthy where we're going to go our own separate ways when the shit hits the fan. I give it a few years before LOLibertarian-fuckistan internally implodes where the white libertarians will be practically begging to join us white working class socialists afterwards. I care for white libertarians because they're our racial genetic brothers or cousins but they need to fucking drop their bullshit economic and social ideologies that have cost us dearly for the last hundred years. They need to learn some humility for once in their damn lives. Will they learn it with western nations totally collapsing? We shall see, some of them will but most probably won't. All I know is that if they think that the current status quo of having the white working class as their foot stools is going to still exist in the collapse of whole entire societies they're in store for some very amusing disappointments. Not going to happen! Also, these smug spoiled upper middle class or wealthy white women are in store for a real treat when entire western nations and societies collapse, but I'll save that for another time. Suffice it to say, us white working class men have been kicked to the curb far too many times like disposable garbage and we're not going to be putting up with any entitled princesses any longer when all of this goes down. That female entitled privileged [feminist] nonsense is going to go by the wayside real quick and white women better smart the fuck up within the new environment of things. Last edited by Zero_Sum on Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:59 am, edited 1 time in total. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Agreed, libertarianism is woefully inadequate. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Gloominary wrote:Agreed, libertarianism is woefully inadequate. I blame them and crony-capitalism for the decline or fall of the west, I really do. Stubborn, stupid, and selfish short sightedness. They had it all and still managed to fuck up everything under three generations. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2876 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Zero_Sum wrote: Gloominary wrote:Agreed, libertarianism is woefully inadequate. I blame them and crony-capitalism for the decline or fall of the west, I really do. Stubborn, stupid, and selfish short sightedness. They had it all and still managed to fuck up everything under three generations. Well the Jew thrives in capitalism if he's permitted to practice usury and fractional reserve banking. Then they use some of their ill-gotten gains to takeover and subvert the socialist opposition to them. It's an old playbook. Last edited by Gloominary on Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:43 am, edited 1 time in total. Gloominary Philosopher Posts: 2000 Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am Location: Canada ### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right. Gloominary wrote: Zero_Sum wrote: Gloominary wrote:Agreed, libertarianism is woefully inadequate. I blame them and crony-capitalism for the decline or fall of the west, I really do. Stubborn, stupid, and selfish short sightedness. They had it all and still managed to fuck up everything under three generations. Well the Jew thrives in capitalism if he's permitted to practice usury and fractional reserve banking. Then they use some of their ill-gotten gains to takeover the socialist opposition to them. It's an old playbook. Jews thrive under every environment because during the diaspora they basically inhabited the four corners of the world in every nation. They know how to blend in within every nation, people, or culture. Shapeshifters and chameleons my man. In communism they makeup a majority of the inner party and political vanguard where in capitalism they make up the majority of bankers, brokers, stock owners, corporate lobbyists, or corporate CEOS. Their inherent religious and cultural nature is that of subversion or exploitation scheming against others in the name of their own group survival. They're ruthless and very crafty with propaganda political campaigns or waging silent hidden wars behind the scenes of things outside of the public purview. In some ways I admire their ruthlessness and devotion to their collective self group interests but I still hate them all the same. There certainly is much to learn from them like you would with any other enemy or adversary. 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### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right.

They redirect the socialist opposition away from real issues like wages, healthcare, education and upholding white working class values towards subversive things, like carbon taxes, raising taxes for the working class, corporate welfare, black lives matter, feminism, gay marriage, transsexualism, gun control, open borders, utopian anarchism and communism, drugs, Hollyweird, MTV and porn, which alienates the white working class, who end up voting for the same capitalists and cronyists who fucked them over to begin with, who do nothing to oppose the usury, fractional reserve banking and corporatism, who just cut taxes for the rich, cut spending on the poor and take us to war.

It's not enough to simply remove the usury, fractional reserve banking and corporatism in place, the richest 1%-0.1% have been getting richer off it for over a century now, they owe us trillions of dollars in reparations.

But there's no reason we can't have our cake and eat it too, why we can't have socialism without all the bullshit.

Of course it's not just the Jews who're responsible, but they're overrepresented in it, many times over.
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### Re: Misconceptions about the far-right.

Gloominary wrote:They redirect the socialist opposition away from real issues like wages, healthcare, education and upholding white working class values towards subversive things, like carbon taxes, raising taxes for the working class, corporate welfare, black lives matter, feminism, gay marriage, transsexualism, open borders, utopian anarchism and communism, Hollyweird, MTV, porn, sports, which alienates the white working class, who end up voting for the same capitalists and cronyists who fucked them over to begin with, who do nothing to oppose the usury, the fractional reserve banking, who just cut taxes for the rich, cut spending on the poor and take us to war.

It's not enough to simply remove the usury, fractional reserve banking and corporatism in place, the richest 1%-0.1% have been getting richer off it for over a century, they owe us trillions of dollars in reparations.

But there's no reason we can't have our cake and eat it too, why we can't have socialism without all the bullshit.

Of course it's not just the Jews who're responsible, but they're overrepresented in it, many times over.

Exactly, they're master manipulators of propaganda where within the 24/7 news corps it's practically overkill.

Really this whole impeachment nonsense is just noise and distraction away from a crumbling economy on the verge of collapse along with the death of dollar for the dumb idiot masses. It keeps everybody fighting each other, demoralized, and distracted while the nation burns where simultaneously they're strip mining the United States financially moving what little bit of wealth that is left to China or Asia.

They have the neo-conservatives believing the trade war is about bringing jobs back or revitalizing the United States economically when in reality it is all just one big international wealth transfer. So far it seems to be working with a nation mostly comprised of imbeciles sadly.

What comes next nobody can say for absolute certainty, I think they're pushing really hard for a modern civil war in the United States which is fine by me because once they open up that Pandora's box there will be no way to put the genie back inside again. It allows far-right people like myself to gain some traction, independence, organization, and flexibility which for me is a good thing. These guys are really going to come to understand the old saying, "Be very careful for what you wish for as you might just get it".

Yeah, there is a bunch of non-Jews that work with them also. They all deserve to be hung on lampposts for their treachery, capital crimes deserve capital punishment.

Also, don't forget all this open immigration, open borders, and sanctuary cities is all about lowering wages or artificially keeping them low. All foreign sanctuary cities in reality are sanctuaries for foreign cheap labor. They just use that whole Christian or secular humanitarian bullshit to get people to vote for their population replacement whereas usual the dumb voting electorate falls for it time and time again. This is why democracy is cancer, an uninformed, ignorant, and uneducated voting base has no place in government decision making. They'll fuck everything up always, it's practically guaranteed that they will. They'll destroy entire nations and whole civilizations.
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