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Re: Diversity includes equal representation of the ignorant?

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:18 am

Serendipper wrote:That's a good point! But is that anything he actually devised?
As I said, I don't know. Though frankly, I think he had a big hand in it. I mean, it suits his temperment so well. Further, I doubt any of the other candidates or past candidates would have dared. He broke basic conventions of communication. He did not pretend to be honest, not that he ever admitted he lied, but there is a big difference. It's not like 'oh, he got caught contradicting himself', he ran around joyfully contradicting himself. He was openly Machievellian. I don't think Bush 2 would even have understood the strategy. Bush 1 would have hated it. Clinton was smart enough to do it, but as a liar, like the Bushes, to openly lie would likely have made him uncomfortable. Noble or 'noble' independents like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader, would have been way too priggish to even consider it. So far, Trump has not actually changed much in terms of concrete foreign policy, legislation, walls, but he has changed the way politicians can talk - not sure if they will - forever.

I think that campaign strategy kinda fell in his lap. Trump has a knack for dumb luck. He didn't intend to run for president and he didn't expect to win. He's just mindlessly bumbling along and falling into luck (kinda argues for Taoism lol)
I think he intended to run for president. It cost him money and time, and time is money. He wanted it.
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Re: Diversity includes equal representation of the ignorant?

Postby Serendipper » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:47 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
Serendipper wrote:That's a good point! But is that anything he actually devised?
As I said, I don't know. Though frankly, I think he had a big hand in it. I mean, it suits his temperment so well. Further, I doubt any of the other candidates or past candidates would have dared. He broke basic conventions of communication.

That's true, but I think Bernie would have also broken traditions as Ocasio currently kinda is.

He did not pretend to be honest, not that he ever admitted he lied, but there is a big difference.

In 2015 I watched him tell Anderson Cooper that he doesn't ask god for forgiveness because he doesn't make mistakes. Coming from a church background, I figured he just pissed off the religious right, but as Trump said, "I could stand in the street and shoot someone and not lose a fan."

It's not like 'oh, he got caught contradicting himself', he ran around joyfully contradicting himself. He was openly Machievellian. I don't think Bush 2 would even have understood the strategy.

The things is, he's not aware that he's contradicting himself, so it can't be a plan. He just has dumb luck. His aides fuck with him by adding zeros to 10s to make him say stupid things like "employment hasn't been this high in 100 years."

Bush 1 would have hated it. Clinton was smart enough to do it, but as a liar, like the Bushes, to openly lie would likely have made him uncomfortable. Noble or 'noble' independents like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader, would have been way too priggish to even consider it.

Yes I agree.

So far, Trump has not actually changed much in terms of concrete foreign policy, legislation, walls, but he has changed the way politicians can talk - not sure if they will - forever.

Depends if politicians want to pander to idiots or intelligentsia. The way to cater to idiots is to piss smart people off by doing everything wrong like the kid in the back of the class aggravating the teacher and making the class laugh. So Trump has a free ticket to do anything he wants, so long as it pisses off educated people, and about the only mistake he could make is doing something right because that would be boring.

I think that campaign strategy kinda fell in his lap. Trump has a knack for dumb luck. He didn't intend to run for president and he didn't expect to win. He's just mindlessly bumbling along and falling into luck (kinda argues for Taoism lol)
I think he intended to run for president. It cost him money and time, and time is money. He wanted it.

I'm not sure he spent one nickel. His air time was free and the rest paid for by contributions. It was just meant to be a publicity stunt.

Wolff wrote that Don Jr. said his father “looked as if he had seen a ghost. Melania was in tears—and not of joy.” Steve Bannon, who helped run the Trump campaign and helped Trump’s team through the transition, said he saw Trump morph from “a disbelieving Trump and then into a horrified Trump.”

Trump’s longtime friend and former head of Fox News Roger Ailes used to say “if you want a career in television, first run for president.” And that’s just what Trump did, with plans to start a news network and become “the most famous man in the world.”
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-don ... ent-769701

I don't blame him. Who would want to be president? He just wanted to run so he could get more fans. I think actually becoming president was the worst thing that could happen to him because now his name is mud.
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