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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Gloominary » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:21 am

WendyDarling wrote:Are we all African or European? The theories seem to default to a narrow beginning of hominids, all deriving from one ancestral line. Personally, I don't believe that we are all derived from one ancestral line of forefathers and evolution theory cannot get it together with enough evidence of how these mutations would occur, so their theories are bumpkus man, bumpkus.

Liberal mind trickery!



If progressives really believed that, they wouldn't refer to native Americans as native Americans, they would refer to them as African Americans.

And where did the apes who gave rise to humans come from?
Did they evolve in Africa too?
And where did the lemurs or whatever who gave rise to the apes who gave rise to humans come from?
Did they evolve in Africa too?
And where did their ancestors come from?
Did all of our ancestors from the first amoeba onward evolve in Africa?
Nonsense!

Our oldest ancestor, an amoeba, evolved in the sea some 4 billion years ago, so does that make us all sea creatures?
Every species and, whatever's fashionable to call them nowadays: race, 'population group' is continuously evolving.
What happened is one population group left Africa for Europe some 100 000 years ago, and has continuously been evolving there, in Europe ever since.

So how long does a thing have to been evolving somewhere in order to quality as native to that region?
Well, native Americans have only been evolving in America for some 20 000 years, whereas Europeans have been evolving in Europe for double or quadruple that.
So by their own standards then, we're Europeans, more European in fact than native Americans are native American.

Europeans have independently evolved thousands of our own traits since splitting off from Africans tens of thousands of years ago.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:20 am

Our oldest ancestor, an amoeba, evolved in the sea some 4 billion years ago, so does that make us all sea creatures?
Every species and, whatever's fashionable to call them nowadays: race, 'population group' is continuously evolving.
What happened is one population group left Africa for Europe some 100 000 years ago, and has continuously been evolving there, in Europe ever since.

I don't believe that either, that we all derived from amoeba. Why is science trying to force the issue that everything traces back to one thing? Because of the big bang theory...remember that it's only a theory. Isn't the everything began as one thing theory too synonymous with the one God creationist theory? From one God all differences arose.

Europeans have independently evolved thousands of our own traits since splitting off from Africans tens of thousands of years ago.

Specifically, how? All I hear now is environmental factors caused such differences in biology but that doesn't make any real sense as to how. It's all speculative.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:56 am

I think scientists are just curious as to why such a randomly mutating chemical as dna would have such similar traits in specimens around the globe. Why such distinct groups with such similarities? What makes dna tick?

We know, for instance, that butterflies from different regions which have had no recent sexual contact will develop the same patterns on their wings if set upon the same place for enough generations. So similarities are not necessarily of inheritance. But it's interesting that both groups of butterfly would change the same way!

How imaginable is it that two seperate genealogical lines would develop near hairless arms and feet and etc. separately? Specially in very different places? But these are the kinds of good questions that make for interesting science. The questions are far more pivotal than delluded scientists think.

I think the same goes for creation myths. It is an attempt to understand similarities between people that left to their own devices might easily kill and even torture eachother. There seems to be no direct explanation as to why they are similar or should cooperate in any way.

The Africa theory presents some interesting possibilities. For instance, after maybe hundreds of thousands of years of evolution in the same place with the same evolving lines around, is it not possible that for instance the knowledge of lions or bovine is embedded in the dna? In the form maybe of reaction types that affect the imagination, say?

Also Africa theory makes an interesting case for why we walk more instinctually than run. Why roaming does our souls good. Plainsmen at heart?
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:12 pm

To be clear, humans are hunters, so I don't escaping in fear would be the only or even main reaction to lions on the plains. They would probably encounter eachother now and then as hunting rivals or walk by eachother's nesting grounds. Or even encounter eachother roaming!
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:40 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:To be clear, humans are hunters, so I don't [think] escaping in fear would be the only or even main reaction to lions on the plains. They would probably encounter eachother now and then as hunting rivals or walk by eachother's nesting grounds. Or even encounter eachother roaming!

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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Also Africa theory makes an interesting case for why we walk more instinctually than run. Why roaming does our souls good. Plainsmen at heart?

Actually, black Africans have the skeletal and musculature that lends itself to fast, long distance running which I guess they used to track and run down their prey, exhausting their prey, and making them overheat in the sun so that the prey stopped to rest and was slain. How would African whites loose that biology, to what better end?

Walking is less taxing and more sustainable than running. If our instinct is to survive, conserve fuel for only when it's truly needed, then walking makes perfect instinctual sense.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:47 pm

You roam and you roam until you hunt. White people and Chinese people can also run, you know? And for black Africans it is still more natural to walk than to run.

Maybe white genealogies went more into forests and mountains where running was less frequent?

In any case, evidently barely.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:50 pm

Also, since survival has been more important in Africa than in Europe in the last couple of tens of thousands of years, white genealogies are probably more degenerate.

Did it give whites an edge in thinking? I suspect not. Real whites are massive northern brutes. Intelligence is a Mediterranean trait.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:53 pm

In all cases, the differences are so subtle as to be negligible, except in sex, where subtle differences take on significance, though it is in no way about supremacy. Difference is what is sought in sex.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Gloominary » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:21 pm

@Wendy

I don't believe that either, that we all derived from amoeba. Why is science trying to force the issue that everything traces back to one thing? Because of the big bang theory...remember that it's only a theory. Isn't the everything began as one thing theory too synonymous with the one God creationist theory? From one God all differences arose.

Actually, I agree.
I used to spend some time and energy exploring alternative theories to the big bang, abiogenesis and evolution on the one hand, and creationism on the other.
I was, and still am keen an eternal universe without beginning/end, panspermia and a more...methodical form of evolution.

Anyway, they're all just theories and at the end of the day, everything is, especially when we're talking about events supposedly taking place millions-billions of years in the past/future.
Weatherman often can't predict the weather, and they want to tell us what the cosmic weather was and will be like millions-billions of years ago/from now?
Of course it's just educated guesses at best, but if mainstream academic science (yes, there is alternative academic science) wants to stay in business, it thinks it has to portray itself as some kind of authority, when it is not, and it's up to people who they want to listen to and what they believe.
There's lots of compelling alternatives to consider both within and outside mainstream academic channels, or you can just choose to suspend judgment, or come up with your own, it doesn't really matter because:

Dude, I wasn't there.
People are greedy, not just with money and material, but with information, many of us want to know it all, have it all mapped out for us, but fundamental truths about the cosmos have, and will in all likelihood continue to elude us for thousands-millions of years to come, if mankind is around that long, that is, and the world remains what it is.

All that being said, this thread is primarily about race.
Did we evolve from apes in Africa millions of years ago?
Or did we evolve in Eurasia somewhere?
Did we evolve at all or the way they said we did?
No one knows for sure.
But even by mainstream socioscientific standards, while our species may have evolved in Africa, our race evolved in Europe, and that makes us racially, Europeans.
But forget about the science, I mean just look at us, Europeans are obviously different from Asians and Africans, like polar bears are different from brown and black bears.

Specifically, how? All I hear now is environmental factors caused such differences in biology but that doesn't make any real sense as to how. It's all speculative.

You should read up on evolutionary theory, there's more to it than just vague 'environmental factors', as well as criticisms and alternatives to it.

Here's an interesting channel I discovered on youtube many moons ago that presents an alternative cosmological and evolutionary paradigm to mainstream science:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Sarastarlight

There's also Vedic creationism, an alternative to Abrahamic creationism, see the work of Michael Cremo.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Gloominary » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:14 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I think scientists are just curious as to why such a randomly mutating chemical as dna would have such similar traits in specimens around the globe. Why such distinct groups with such similarities? What makes dna tick?

We know, for instance, that butterflies from different regions which have had no recent sexual contact will develop the same patterns on their wings if set upon the same place for enough generations. So similarities are not necessarily of inheritance. But it's interesting that both groups of butterfly would change the same way!

How imaginable is it that two seperate genealogical lines would develop near hairless arms and feet and etc. separately? Specially in very different places? But these are the kinds of good questions that make for interesting science. The questions are far more pivotal than delluded scientists think.

I think the same goes for creation myths. It is an attempt to understand similarities between people that left to their own devices might easily kill and even torture eachother. There seems to be no direct explanation as to why they are similar or should cooperate in any way.

The Africa theory presents some interesting possibilities. For instance, after maybe hundreds of thousands of years of evolution in the same place with the same evolving lines around, is it not possible that for instance the knowledge of lions or bovine is embedded in the dna? In the form maybe of reaction types that affect the imagination, say?

Also Africa theory makes an interesting case for why we walk more instinctually than run. Why roaming does our souls good. Plainsmen at heart?

Nice post, it raises important questions.
If evolution is due to random mutations in DNA + natural selection, why do we see the same intraspecies and interspecies mutations independently popping up again and again?
Coincidence, or is there far more method to evolutions apparent madness than they suppose?
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:52 pm

I'm still not sure what natural selection means. It doesn't mean anything. Maybe evolution by survival makes sense. Animals and plants and other DNAs survive, but does something select them? That's just Darwin's Christianity kicking in.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:55 pm

But animals do more than survive. If it was just survival we'd all still be bacteria, if that.

I don't pretend to name a "law" of evolution. I just know evolution happens. And that DNA is a chemical that has reactions. Very multifarious, appearently.

Seems to be a very complex chemical. Like RNA but more.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:01 pm

Mutations could be pperfectly random.

I like Dawkins because of the question he poses: what IS it that is selected?

Obviously nothing is selected and atomism is a mistake. But what is it that can be said to evolve? Life is the thing, but what is the movement? What is the dynamic of change?

Probably too big questions yet, I'm fine with call8ngbit evolution and studying its dynamics without knowing about some prime driving force.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:06 pm

What is important? Is a better question. Then you'll know what is worth knowing about evolution.

To me it is important to be healthy. So wondering how and why walking evolved can improve my understanding of such a healthy habit.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:10 pm

And since I have wondered about it, other healthy options appear. Like the relationship between walking and running. The instinct to roam and the instinct to hunt or to escape.

So hunting instincts must lead to good health. And roaming ones.

For example, when I chase my dog around, I have fun and exercice my hunting instinct. She has fun and exercices her running instinct. Tho lately we have reversed it. She hunts me and I run.

Or when I track down a difficult piece of thinking.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:10 pm

Or when my mind wanders, as it probably did for my plains ancestors as they roamed for hours on end.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:57 pm

We know, for instance, that butterflies from different regions which have had no recent sexual contact will develop the same patterns on their wings if set upon the same place for enough generations. So similarities are not necessarily of inheritance. But it's interesting that both groups of butterfly would change the same way!

What they eat there could have something to do with how they look, I sure know eating affects how we look.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:29 pm

Well maybe, but if so only in a roundabout way. It is not individual butterflies on whic the patterns on the wings change, but rather each new generation of butterfly has a slightly different pattern, the ones that reproduce anyway, until only a specific pattern, different from the immigrant ancestor butterfly, exists. The same pattern appears in descendants of different genealogies of butterfly immigrants to the same place.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:01 am

Gloominary, hopefully I will have a chance to look at your suggested link. Too busy reading studies for the transexual thread to do much else now.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Gloominary » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:07 am

WendyDarling wrote:Gloominary, hopefully I will have a chance to look at your suggested link. Too busy reading studies for the transexual thread to do much else now.

No worries, yea hopefully you'll have an opportunity to check out some of his videos at some point, I think his work will really resonate with you.
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Re: There's no such thing as Arican or Native Americans

Postby Gloominary » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:12 am

Maybe there's more convergent evolution going on than random mutations in DNA + natural selection can account for.

And abiogenesis and both Abrahamic and mechanistic renditions of ex nihilo never sat well with me either.
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