The Nature of Homosexuality

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The Nature of Homosexuality

Postby CopiousTransiting » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:27 am

Over the last 20 years neuroscientists have been discovering how plastic the brain is. The principle that has emerged is "what fires together, wires together", which means structure follows function, or "the brain you have is a function of the events which have shaped you".

Contrary to popular opinion, there is an emerging consensus in the brain and mind sciences that the mind is a function of a hyper-complex dynamical symmetry between brain and world, and between brain and itself (metacognition).

Symmetry is a state of affairs where one thing reflects or translates an exact copy of itself. So, humans have bilateral symmetry in body structure; we have two eyes, two ears, two nostrils. This symmetry is very much a dynamical circumstance of gravity on the way biophysical processes self-organize towards stability. The wonder of what living systems - animals - are, is that they are simultaneously highly constrained biochemical patterns that appear to be controlled by a hierarchy of 'dissipative structures' - or the thermodynamically controlled mechanisms which structure processes in coherent ways. These ways are what physicists term 'the path of least resistance', which can be geometrodynamically conceptualized as a very high level symmetry - or complementarity - between world and organism. At the same time, these patterns give rise to a 'cybernetic' mind system that produces a feeling of agency, and in human beings, a feeling of self, an ability to control the contents of attention, and an ability to conceptualize in tensed and metaphorical ways i.e. 'imagination'.

There is an interesting continuity being created by the philosophical approach known as 'dynamical systems theory', between origin of life research, evolutionary theory (punctuated equilibrium) material engagement theory in Anthropology, and developmental sciences. The rule of thumb is: the organism is always seeking to adapt itself towards a 'fittedness' with the world around it. The organism is secondary to the world: the environment 'selects', and the organism adapts by channeling metabolic processes towards more efficient pathways.

Now enter mainstream culture, and the way we talk about homosexuality. There is a sort of subtle incoherence that is never properly named, but which is there, oftentimes bothering the minds of people who are easily scapegoated as 'homophobes', because there is an affective disturbance, or problem, with the whole idea of homosexuality. The complexity of our response is really a function of the complexity of the history of the evolution of human cultures over the last 7,000 years, a situation that refers to a whole gamut of changes that metaphlorically 'link' together in a cultural-semiotic web linking groups together, partly through the subterfuge of language, culture and tradition, but mainly through the force of social pressure - the fear of shame and the pride of having power, of being "a part of the crowd".

So what is it that bothers us, but the obvious problem of the intimacy of sexuality, and the incoherence of a same-sex sexual interactions? To whom, or to what, do we guilt, but our own sense of the inherent complementarity that organizes our being - the beginning of life of 'self' (observing consciousness) and body (feelings), which morphs into the self, and the other face - the other human (intersubjectivity). Self and other are basic categories that provide the semiotic foundation for biodynamical processes in the brain. The linking force is what the psychologist Dan Stern called "forms of vitality", which are simultaneously synchronized brain waves (on the 'outside') and the linking chains of metaphorical feelings - 'likeness' between things, which maps bodily feelings onto social interactions, and then onto sexual orientation.

The truth is, everything is logically constructed - nature isn't random, and living organisms are not controlled by "selfish genes". The system is more than any one part, and what 'decides' the way a system functions is simply how well its dynamics are adapted to the contingencies required for living.

To be sensitive to the reality of what I'm talking about entails understanding the fundamentally physical nature of your existence: the mind is not separate from the body, but is an emergent property of its dynamical activity. If you respect this iron-clad law of biology, then you will have to respect that all events that arise within the mind are a function of dynamical interactions, both relating to homeostatic regulation, which is itself a function of how well you sleep, how regularly you eat, how well you eat, substances you may abuse (coffee, alcohol, cannabis, cigarettes), bacteria/parasites handled by the immune system, and the quality of your social relationships, which is a function of how well emotions are communicated, which is in itself a very broad category, and how benignly they are accepted and processed in conversations.

Another truth is this: humans are being misled as to the nature of homosexuality, largely because they are being misled at a basic level about the nature of their identity: that it is emergent, and dependent, on an ontological loop between a real outside world and their own biophysical structuring.

Is this merely an overzealous humanitarianism that seeks to protect a mistreated minority group? That is, the people who think this way are intellectually superficial - and don't read, or perhaps, cherry-pick, information suiting their own views? I imagine a good chunk of people are organized at this sort of 'visceral' level, not caring or bothering to think about the metaphysical assumptions underlying the etiology of homosexuality - the belief that it is 'essential' to their character, rather than being an emergent property of a real life sequence of interactions between self and an environment, and the way certain traumatc events induce a structural asymmetry that 'opens up' certain semiotic pathways when a person gets older. For instance, the experience of being 'victimized' is semiotically akin to the passivity of receiving anal. The passivity, or the feeling of 'immobility', that comes with being emotionally bullied by a parent is not something particularly liked, but it is definitely an experience which exists within our brain structuring, ordering other experiences through the force of its metaphorical energy. It is this sort of explanation that queer theorists and other postmodernists avoid because it goes to the root of what postmodernism is really all about: prioritizing 'imagination' and 'fantasy' over reality and physical laws. The believers in this creed not only believe imagination, or the human perspective, to b beyond science, but they also fail to realize that modern day neuroscience, developmental psychology, and psychodynamic theory, can explain why humans feel the way they feel, what these feelings represent, and what sort of interactions create them. It is probabilistic - and the older the organism gets, the more complex these probabilities. Yet, attachment theory provides basic 'limiting' categories that slots every person within a category of attachment that gains its authority from modern insight into the brain - and whats called the "autonomic nervous system". The ANS manages, and modulates the capacities, of the higher cortical areas of our brain. So, if your immune system is engaged in fighting off a viral infection, less bloodflow will move to the most evolved cortex because the solitary nucleus - a brainstem area - controls how energy will be organized within the entire biophysical system.

Homosexuality is not evil, of course, but it does conflict with our more existential and metaphysical feelings of being in a complementarity with the universe. The complementarity of self and body, self and other, should also logically extend to self and universe. The male and female form metaphorically embody this pattern, and so, the way we are logically forced to reason about reality logically compels us to acknowledge the significance of complementarity as a mental organizing vector that honors the symmetry and complementarity that exists between self and reality.

Should we demonize homosexuals? Of course not, and please do not take this conversation as implying anything of the kind. This thread is mostly philosophical in its orientation, but also practical, because it criticizes the absence of cause-effect thinking in our discussion of these things, and also, even more importantly, the apparent value system being forced on people by an elite class which has much to gain by dissociating its population with sexual identity politics, a logical effect of its dissonance with our higher intuitiions of being 'at one' with the universe, and so, seeking to avoid ways of being that embody 'selfishness' - which homosexuality has long been metaphorically interpreted as being, because male + male is akin to self + itself (or egotism, pridefulness). Self worship is metaphorically likened to homosexual deviance. Being "other" focused is akin to male + female. This metaphorical transformation is a function of what 'things mean' for the developing system, and how passivity and activity, ultimately regulate the safety the self feels to 'explore' the other, metaphorically likened to the 'sex that is other from your own', which becomes a much more powerful organizing factor when puberty hits. Thus, sexual orientation is not anythin 'essential', but a developmental pathway created by an interactive history which generated a passivity, a self-self focus (insecurity) which carries insecurity. Promotion of sexual identity issues is a profound broadcasting device for creating more homosexuals, so long as society and the economy keeps us insecure, and the culture continues to breakdown semiotic categories of gender, and sexual orientation, more and more people will shift as a function of that metaphorical continuum between interpersonal interaction (recognition expectations) and sexual orientation (sexual orientation expectations); since we live in a society where people routinely ignore the needs of the other - treating the other as fundamentally "other" - as literally outide their being (a delusion), it is not surprising that people experience an absence of desire for the other sex, and a great deal of desire for their own: might this not being an expression of this continuum, where the self-focused ego - the psychodynamic structure of the mind - easily assimilates n identity state which experiences sexual desire for the same sex? Such explorations are perfectly legitimate and justified by scientific evidence and the theories which operate in various physical scientific disciplines. That it "feels wrong" is totally a function of the value-system of postmodern "liberalism" beating the drum of acceptance without at all addressing (a) etiology (b) the relationality of existence (c) as a function of a and b, the SUGGESTIBILITY of anxious and insecure people to being 'recruited' into an identity that is no more fundamental to the self than any other experience we have.
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Re: The Nature of Homosexuality

Postby mannequin01 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:46 pm

Back in the day it use to be called sodomy or buggery and was detached from a sexual context, and generally punished with death. It's very modern to try to pass it off as a sexual act, to attempt to legitimize it as a functional behavior in the human condition, which clearly it isn't, nor does it reaffirm life. With the ways things are going, you can personally pretty much create your own "sexuality" and with enough social presence the modern society is forced to bend towards your will (no pun intended), or they face discrimination etc..

Thesedays, these types of people are having the time of their life, engaging freely in such so called sexual acts without any social consequences, they are even growing brave to the point where they start cat calling straight men, some of them have whistled to me and said "mmmm" in a very perverted way as they pass by, which is rather annoying as i am fairly quick tempered and already been arrested three times and got suspended sentences, so i can't afford to beat the shit out of them or i face serious consequences, also one time one of them said to me, when we were in the work environment, "i want to jump your bones", which was a sexual advance..

As have i have mentioned elsewhere, last year i came out of the train station and walked right into their weird pride street party, and i noticed boys as young at 10, wearing nothing but pants underwear and their body's covered in rainbow color paint, dancing around in very feminine sexual expressions, there were also babies there in pushchairs with rainbow face paint with the adults waving their "flag"..

Eventually, if not already, they will start to teach it in sex ed classes and promote it, as they will with gender fluidity.
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Re: The Nature of Homosexuality

Postby lordoflight » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:47 pm

Hitler's obsession with gays and jews I don't agree with.

Here are the facts:
1. Mannequin, everybody knows you are a two-spirit, and the real reason you want to beat up gays is because, when they flirt with you, it turns a part of you on, and you have a fluctuating, two-spirit mind that is constantly fighting against itself.

2. The vast majority of gays don't reproduce. So slaughtering them makes no sense. They will naturally go extinct on their own. They are not the root of it. They are not the source of it.

3. Most people hate gays for one of these reasons: A. They are two-spirits in conflict with themselves. B. Because many gays are verbally annoying and sound like Valley Girls. C. They were abused by a gay person.

4. Many gays, but not all gays. Many gays are rude and are the root of social dysfunction. Also, if a closet gay becomes a TV personality, the gay will usually hire other closet gays. That is why most people on the news seem gay. That does not mean all gays are bad people.

5. Bisexuals are not gays. People often lump all homosexual acts as "Gay". But bisexuals have big differences in psychology than gays.

6. People often ignore that secret two-spirit (bisexual) nature of many males. Males are indocrinated at birth not to be gay. This is an attempt to prevent them from realizing their two-spirit nature. When such a male encounters gay paraphernalia, a part of them cannot get the image out of their head. The split-mind psychosis begins. They say they do not want to be gay. And yet, cannot help but think of the image over and over again. It is a hive-mind, fighting itself.

7. The cool headed, single minded male, does not have such problems. If the cool headed male is exposed to gay paraphilia, its simply says "Whatever". "Not my cup of tea." It moves on to other porns, such as lesbian porns, straight porns, or trans porns. The image of the gay porn does not obsess in its head. It does not invade its mind and loop over and over and haunt them in their beds. When it sees two dudes kissing, or two naked dudes, it just views it as mediocre, laughable, or in bad taste. It does not get filled with insane hate and rage.

8. If a cool headed dude finds himself in prison, he might fuck a dude if the dude was feminine enough. Doesn't mean they wanted to be in prison, or support the prison planet. But it would be a logical rational decision, they wouldn't regret it afterward, loop about it endlessly, feel ashamed or guilty endlessly, or suffer from the symptoms of feminine ego attachment. The decision would be, I can either stare at these walls endlessly and go insane. Or fuck a dude. I have the power to choose. And whatever I choose I will realize was the only rational choice I had available.

9. Many gays have abused me, treated me bad, or irritated me. That doesn't mean I would kill them, if I did I could end up dead or worse, in prison. And there would be no cause for me to kill gays who have been nothing but nice to me. If murder was legalized I would not kill all gays. Certainly I would not kill any gays who were nice to me. Now if a gay was rude or abusive to me that is a different story.

10. Dysgenics is real. Each generation uglier, softer, and more dumb. Look to the source. Homosexuals are not the source of genetics. They are non-reproductive.

11. It is irrational to blame Jews for all the world's problems. Whites are also guilty of poisoning our food and destroying Nature. If one is to slaughter the Jews then one might as well finish the job and slaughter the Whites. Say what you will about Blacks. But if there were only Blacks we would have never invented the wheel, cars, or factories that pollute the planet. Nature would rule the Earth. And yes. Perhaps a commune could be made of smart Nordic whites who want green energy, clean fuels, and great tech to save the Earth. But naturally some of these in this commune would be gay. Because gays are more sensitive. So they would be more likely to care about stuff like that.

12. If anything, encouraging homosexuality may reduce the amount of gays. Because it is all these oppressed closet gays who breed their gay genes secretly. Creating more gays. Open gays rarely breed with women. Thus would die out naturally. In nature gays are not genocided. They die out on their own. Gays only exist in high volume in humans. Because they are forced into a closet. Thus breeding with females secretly, and spreading gay genes. Then also, refer back to 5. Bisexuals are not gays. Homosexuality ought to be seperated from the act itself. A homosexual act is not neccesarily proof of a gay gene. The gay gene is reflective of the inability of the hippocampus to appreciate women. Leading to 13.

13. It is often said the greatest way to turn someone gynophillic, is giving them a loving woman. Many so-called gays are bisexuals who gave up on women. Or were abused children who were raped by their degenerate relatives. Many of these disgusting feminist monsters are just brain-damaged raped victims. Look to the root cause. Decay of the family unit. Lack of access to prostitution. Runaway natural selection and dysgenics. Too many males in society and not enough females, males who are too competitive and bitter towards each other, leading them to hate gays, women, and other males.
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Re: The Nature of Homosexuality

Postby Meno_ » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:30 pm

The above comments seek causation via a reductionism which misses the onto-logical in favor of the ontic-logical. As such there are myriads of missed missed meaningful logical substance all g the way toward a partiality.
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Re: The Nature of Homosexuality

Postby lordoflight » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:51 am

The human brain is reductionist, so are logical systems. That is how it works.

Would you prefer if I posted a 10 page wall of text? How bout a novel?
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