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Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:36 am

It is the easiest thing in the world for a woman to give a man the entire world, and it is the easiest thing in the world for a woman to tear down a man's entire world. They have this power, and only in true relationships of close friendship or love does the commensurate responsibility emerge in woman to use this power well, to not use it toward abusive and destructive ends. A woman who is abusive toward men because of this power she has over him is only destroying herself, but the hope is that given enough time of doing that she will develop knowledge around it and learn how to stop using this power in those ways.

And now I am seeing how feminism is part of this reaction to female power over men and to the need for it to be used responsibly: feminism is a dualistic ideology that includes aspects good and bad for women, and there is as yet no way to balance those two sides of feminism together, loosely the "original feminism" and the new "third wave" feminism. Female empowerment and responsibility is a demand on both men and women to respect the conditions necessary for the development of woman's responsible use of her power over men. This is in man's best interests as well. Man wants and needs a true partner in a woman, someone with equal substance which requires her to be in possession of a truly free and courageous soul. Philosophy has thus far been a male enterprise, and this has indeed left out women from (some of) the benefits of development of consciousness or "soul" that men, at least some men, enjoy. But obviously part of the reaction on the part of women and feminism is away from the initial problem rather than toward addressing it, because denial is usually easier than finding answers; this impulse away from the problem is all of the man hating, pink hair dike SJW third wave feminist shit we have to deal with today.
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Re: Female power over men

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Re: Female power over men

Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:56 am

Exactly the opposite problem. They understand me all too well, and tend to be destabilized in their, let's call it feminine role-playing and care-acting, because of this understanding.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:08 am

Feminism is a reaction to the fact that there needs to develop between men and woman a consistent ability for the responsible use of female power over men. The destructiveness of modern feminism stems largely from the fact that it has chosen to ignore the original problem to which feminism is a response, namely the problem of female power over men. Not only has modern feminism ignored this problem but, obviously, it has reversed it into the idea of male power over women, which is an entirely different question and scope. It would be nice to get to the point where those different scopes and questions can be linked up productively, but we will have to get through feminism first.

Feminism reverses and denies the original problem of feminism, and it does this mainly by hating men. Women who hate men hate themselves, women who are destructive toward men are destructive toward themselves, and in doing so they are only embodying the very problem which they are denying, namely the problem of how to understand, come to terms with and responsibly use their power over men. To lash out at men and despise them is simply another expression of this failure on her part to understand, come to terms with and responsibly use her power.

And men also do many things to undercut woman's responsible use of this power. It is a two way street, and it is in the best interest of men and women to allow this problem to be tacked head on.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:15 am

Expanding on, 'Philosophy has thus far been a male enterprise, and this has indeed left out women from (some of) the benefits of development of consciousness or "soul" that men, at least some men, enjoy':


There is indeed some truth to the whole "patriarchy" thing, but not in a way feminism would like to admit; a woman's soul is the mirror of a male soul, because thus-far only male souls have been created. This is a harsh truth. This is not to say that females do not have souls, of course they do, and they are rich and beautiful indeed; but these female souls have been put together from a combination of what nature has given and selected for her along with the products of philosophy. And philosophy has been done by men. Philosophy is building soul. There is a difference between having a soul, even a very rich and beautiful one, and building a soul. But men are all too happy to share the fruits of philosophership with woman, indeed a large degree of the purpose of philosophy has been not only to raise man but also to raise woman, each in their respective natures and truths, so that the highest possible kind of kinship and understanding, love, can exist between them.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:26 am

Only a supremely confident female can look upon a man's vulnerability and not sneer, because most females will immediately be tempted into taking some advantage there, it is in their DNA to do so. But it is not often in their best interest to do so, not anymore anyway.

And as one old school feminist said, any woman who has raised a boy knows intimately of his vulnerable nature, of the deep vulnerability in his soul. Modern feminism today has lost touch entirely with this fact, so now the mutual vulnerabilities in men and women are unable to sync up properly. We must address and solve this problem, but in doing so we will also need to look at the original problem of feminism itself, the problem in response to which feminism appeared in the first place; as I said above, the problem of the responsible use of female power over men, because indeed women do have this power and we will ignore or resist this fact only to our mutual detriment.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:34 am

Not to be too stereotypical, but women's feelings are more reflections, while men's feelings are the heat from a forge-fire.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby Zero_Sum » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:27 pm

Basically feminism is a social economic conspiracy against western civilization by those that want to see western civilization annihilated. The best way to destroy a civilization is to sexually divide men and women along with the natural impulses of reproduction or having a family.

Feminism is a social economic weapon of depopulation but more importantly it is a cultural identity destroyer because every nation at its heart revolves around reproduction between men and women, all national identities springs fourth between that union and bond. Destroy that union and bond you essentially destroy a nation.

To do this you need to focus all females attention or energies on non-reproductive activities of careerism and education in the most fertile periods of their lifespans where once they start realizing things at an older age they've already become infertile to do anything about it. You also create a narrative of tyrannical patriarchy by painting a broad stroke that behind every man there is a rapist, monster, or sexual tyrant. The goal there is to alienate men and women from each other. Disunity between the sexes culturally, existentially, and socially is a way to bring any nation to its knees.

While there is the preaching of overpopulation where it is said that it is better to not have children at all you import endless amounts of foreigners that breed like rabbits paying for their existence with a welfare system that essentially financially bankrupts an entire nation.

The message is clear, white Europeans don't breed but all the foreigners are supported to do the direct opposite.

Feminism is pushed heavily onto white ethnic European women because in the state's words the goal is to destroy all whiteness and if ethnic white European women were to stop focusing on careers or education instead having children within a family in large numbers the first comment out of the corrupt state we live under would be that it is a catastrophe that needs to be corrected it that isn't normal under their plans of the new normal.

Once you understand feminism as the direct result of a pogrom to eradicate whiteness and destroy western civilization it becomes much easier to understand what it is all about. This is why I pity women because most aren't smart enough to know what they've been manipulated into doing and when they eventually wisen up over a period of time if at all the best fertile years of their lives is simply gone. It's all a horrible tragedy that takes its toll on both men and women alike.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby Jakob » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:40 pm

Feminism is a form of double edged envy.
On the one hand vs men, who have enviable physical and mental powers, on the other hand vs those women that have power to attract and thus influence men. A feminist is someone (m/f) who has nothing to offer to the world but still wants a first rate position.

Incidentally, feminism started as a movement for the recognition of sexual fantasies. That stuff makes for good reading.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:53 pm

Women are amazing. The best ones are, better than philosophy, better than anything, everything.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby URUZ » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:33 am

Women need to pretend that they do not know that every man wants to fuck them, and possibly also have a relationship with them. This is true primarily only of women above a certain threshold of beauty and attractiveness of personality, of course. A man will have his own equation of how physical beauty and personality beauty work together to produce where a woman is at on the scale of attractiveness, say from 0 to 10.

This sexual and relationship energy between men and women (again, of at least a certain level on the scale of attractiveness, as determined for other people by each person him or herself (women have such scales for men too, of course, but they are somewhat different)) is unlimited, and continuous. It is always there. Every man always wants to fuck every woman like this he comes across, and if the personality aspect is high enough in the overall attractiveness equation then he also wants a relationship with her. This is just basic psychology and basic biology. It was necessary for such chemistry to develop, because otherwise sexual species would not survive.

But at some point it became necessary to sublimate this chemistry, probably because we stopped raising children in communal groups or because the energy of this sexual chemistry being always present in every direction was redirected into other areas, socially and psychologically and probably economically too; this could correspond to when early pre-humans needed to start hunting prey for meat, for example, and therefore needed to spend a lot of time and energy (physical and psychological energy) learning how to hunt and actually hunting rather than fucking and playing relationship chemistry games all the time. Or it could correspond to new more central social roles for women, such as a development of further importance of monogamous relationships corresponding to the loss of communal child-rearing.

In any case, for whatever reason this happened, and the sexual/relationship chemistry needed to stop being unlimited. So it was buried in two ways, one within men and one within women. In women it is buried as her deliberate need to remain ignorant of the fact that every man wants to fuck her and possibly also have a relationship with her; she will almost always act surprised upon learning this is the case for some man she knows, like "oh I can't believe he said that!" and she acts outwardly and, based on her responses I believe also to a large degree inwardly as well, as if this fact about men were simply not the case. Of course women do not want to fuck around all the time in the same way that men do, it is not in their biology because they have a totally different biological role than men do; they want to fuck around to the degree that the underlying sexual/relationship impulse and chemistry is indeed unlimited in both genders, which is the case, but they are much more selective and careful with it for various reasons, one being that the consequences of sexual and relationship activity are much higher for a woman and for a man, and also because women serves the evolutionary role of being the selector of what constitute positive traits for the species. Men select too, of course, but primarily it is women who do the selecting and narrowing down/excluding of potential partners, again and in part because of the far greater severity of consequences for her of sexual and relationship activity, and also because of the simply evolutionary logic of how a man can have dozens of babies at the same time, he can fuck dozens of women and get them all pregnant, while a woman can always only have one baby at a time.

So this deliberate need for ignorance about the true nature of men is serving a protective and productive function in terms of a woman's biological role (and what became her social role too). This is also one nice thing about prostitutes and porn stars, that they have no such ignorance and know full well that every man wants to fuck them and possibly have a relationship with them as well. They are not in denial about this.

For men, the chemistry was buried as... what? It is harder to pinpoint, but I think it might have been buried as the impulse to philosophize. The need to know reality, to engage reality, to come to understand truths and to know how to act on these truths, and to build the courage and strength to act according to this knowledge. Men are intimately connected to their impulse to fuck and/or have relationships with every attractive woman he meets, he cannot deny this or remain ignorant of it beyond a clear point (unless he redirects all of this away from itself and into homosexuality, or totally cucks out into full soy boy mode or some other weird thing) but due to social developments he could no longer freely express this impulse, it had to be curtailed and delimited carefully. This occurred in monogamy, but the odds of a man finding just one woman who can totally fulfill his every sexual and relationship need is extremely low, therefore there is an excess; this excess needed to be redirected somewhere else, otherwise it would break up the pair-bond. I think this excess became the mind, properly understood; reason, thought, etc. and the ambition and drive to these.

Why did this excess not become instead a kind of lethargy, fantasy-power, chaotic destructiveness, mere hedonism, etc.? Well some of it is, we can see examples of that all around us in many men. But I think the primary drive of the conversion and use of the excess into something that would prove not destructive of the pair-bond had to be something constructive, for the simple reason that for any instances (for any men) where this was not the case those men simply tended not to survive nearly as well, thus undercutting their own type from the gene pool over time.
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Re: Female power over men

Postby Zero_Sum » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:10 pm

To counter against neo liberal feminism a conservative feminist movement I think must be created to counter balance against it one that enshrines tradition, family, values, and loyalty to the nation state but also doesn't negate against the independence of women.

There needs to be a conservative platform of feminism. It isn't enough to criticize women and denounce them where this will do nothing in reconciling values between men or women. That is a losing futile position to begin with. We need to bring men and women together again if possible. Men are nothing on their own and it is the same with women vice versa.


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Re: Female power over men

Postby Silhouette » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:43 pm

People seem to see mystery in beauty.

No mystery.

Let's say that attraction was random: the ones that were attracted to those who were most healthy in the sense of long term success in passing down genes would pass down their genes the best. That kind of attraction would persist the best and come to converge on certain naturally detectable signs that tended to determine success - beauty sufficiently accurately determines health in the sense of long term success in passing down genes that pass down their genes the best. Beauty is just a side effect of successful sexual selection, no matter what form it takes.

And so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that beautiful people are more desirable and picked in the sexual marketplace... it's because they should be in order to best propagate the species. It sucks if you're relatively ugly in any of the numerous different ways, but your lot isn't fixed - there are things you can do to enhance the kinds of beauty that are most desirable for your sex. There are also those who cannot compete, and they will look for alternative ways to push the boundaries of what is sexually desirable and to transfer attention away from tried and tested ways in which they fail to their new ways in which they think they might better succeed. This is absolutely valid as well, as it breathes new life into otherwise more rigid structures that may not remain optimal forever, and might be surpassed. Beauty in traditional ways need not be disrespected because it has earned its place, but alternative beauty will still surpass it whenever successful (and fail dramatically when it doesn't).

This is a great analogy for politics too, and why conservatives should be respected, but the successful left should be respected more (and the unsuccessful less).
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Re: Female power over men

Postby encode_decode » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:18 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:It isn't enough to criticize women and denounce them where this will do nothing in reconciling values between men or women. That is a losing futile position to begin with. We need to bring men and women together again if possible. Men are nothing on their own and it is the same with women vice versa.

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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:38 pm

    encode_decode wrote:
    Zero_Sum wrote:It isn't enough to criticize women and denounce them where this will do nothing in reconciling values between men or women. That is a losing futile position to begin with. We need to bring men and women together again if possible. Men are nothing on their own and it is the same with women vice versa.

    Precisely!


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    I realize that the man and woman enhance one another, depending on who the individuals are and how harmonious they are together, but NOTHING ON THEIR OWN?

    Is a vase less beautiful and real simply because it has no flowers in it? That may not be a very good analogy but I think you get my drift.
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:35 pm

    Arcturus Descending wrote:
    encode_decode wrote:
    Zero_Sum wrote:It isn't enough to criticize women and denounce them where this will do nothing in reconciling values between men or women. That is a losing futile position to begin with. We need to bring men and women together again if possible. Men are nothing on their own and it is the same with women vice versa.

    Precisely!


    Is this what you might tell your young impressionable son and daughter? Is this the reality that you would want them to grow up with, to come to believe?

    I realize that the man and woman enhance one another, depending on who the individuals are and how harmonious they are together, but NOTHING ON THEIR OWN?

    Is a vase less beautiful and real simply because it has no flowers in it? That may not be a very good analogy but I think you get my drift.


    I am having a hard time understanding your criticizing of my statement. :-k
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:35 pm

    UrGod wrote:It is the easiest thing in the world for a woman to give a man the entire world, and it is the easiest thing in the world for a woman to tear down a man's entire world. They have this power, and only in true relationships of close friendship or love does the commensurate responsibility emerge in woman to use this power well, to not use it toward abusive and destructive ends. A woman who is abusive toward men because of this power she has over him is only destroying herself, but the hope is that given enough time of doing that she will develop knowledge around it and learn how to stop using this power in those ways.

    And now I am seeing how feminism is part of this reaction to female power over men and to the need for it to be used responsibly: feminism is a dualistic ideology that includes aspects good and bad for women, and there is as yet no way to balance those two sides of feminism together, loosely the "original feminism" and the new "third wave" feminism. Female empowerment and responsibility is a demand on both men and women to respect the conditions necessary for the development of woman's responsible use of her power over men. This is in man's best interests as well. Man wants and needs a true partner in a woman, someone with equal substance which requires her to be in possession of a truly free and courageous soul.

    The modern, western world, has forsaken morality (personal and social responsibility) in almost every way. Women are not acting responsibly (toward men, marriage, family, and relationships) just as men are not acting responsibly in many ways too (drug abuse, apathy, "men going their own way", rebelling against the system). However female irresponsibility is a taboo topic. Although men can be regularly criticized for any and all numbers of behaviors, females invoke their "female privilege" to avoid accusations of blame altogether.

    For example, who is to blame for high-divorce rates throughout society? Women? Men? Both??? This needs to be investigated philosophically. Perhaps women are more to blame than men. But the full topic needs to be uncovered, without bias. Women need to be "attacked", if it means getting to the truth. Women hate and detest any sort of 'blame', responsibility, accountability, etc. So good luck with pointing at women, for societal problems.

    In patriarchal systems, females must follow strict rules or be punished, or ousted from those systems. Western liberal-leftist ideology has taken in most of the 'outcast' women, saying that "all is forgivable". So women have flocked to liberal-leftism, the privilege, of being even more blameless and irresponsible than ever before. Women hate being judged, for example, for being promiscuous with sex. Any "conservative" or "right" ideology will be attacked, by women.

    Recently, for example, Pandora has made the counter-argument several times, that if you dislike women having sex with multiple men, then you "must be" an Islamic-Muslim Paedophile Fascist. No middle ground, with women, you are a Fascist, or, women can do whatever they want without repercussions. You are a "good guy" if you date a woman who has been in 12 previous relationships, and has 5 previous children, which you must provide for. And you are a "bad guy" if you want a less experienced woman without children.


    UrGod wrote:Philosophy has thus far been a male enterprise, and this has indeed left out women from (some of) the benefits of development of consciousness or "soul" that men, at least some men, enjoy. But obviously part of the reaction on the part of women and feminism is away from the initial problem rather than toward addressing it, because denial is usually easier than finding answers; this impulse away from the problem is all of the man hating, pink hair dike SJW third wave feminist shit we have to deal with today.

    This is false.

    Men do not "drive women away" from Philosophy. Rather it is that women simply have no interest in philosophy. It's like women and football. Women will be Cheerleaders. But they won't be actual NFL football players. They lack the ability, physique, and mentality. Same with philosophy. Women simply won't participate in the actual "doing of philosophy". But they will sit on the sidelines (of "feminist" philosophers) and cheer for them.
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:49 pm

    "Driving away" women from philosophy would be like "driving away" women from an NFL football team.

    First of all, women don't even try out for the team. Second of all, if they did try out for the team, then they would fail big time. Women can't withstand or endure the physical try-outs and expectations. Women can't lift as much, push as much, run as fast, or run as long. Thirdly, there is the "female privilege" of "do not hit women". So women would be unwelcome, in the end, if an apex female hypothetically could withstand the physical rigor. There would still be the problem of "well I shouldn't hit women, so I have to go easy on this NFL woman". That is perhaps the biggest, hypothetical problem. Men and women, both subconsciously agree on "female privielge", of not hitting women.

    In a way, NFL football proves to women that men are valuable: "See how big and strong we are, we can protect you". The winning NFL team proves their masculinity, to women. It's very much a display of prowess and manhood. It proves this to other men too. "We are the most masculine and manly team, for winning the Superbowl".


    Only the craziest of Feminists/Feminism would think it's a good idea, or feasible idea, that "women should be NFL players". Obviously, this argument doesn't exist, historically. It doesn't exist now. Nobody on this forum argues or believes that "women should be NFL players".


    So, yes, female privilege is the unspoken truth. Men and women are not equal. Women are the protected, privileged gender. And I'm fairly certain that women want to continue to enjoy this privilege. Women are becoming a little too over-confident, and asking for too much. Women can be cheerleaders, but they can't really be NFL football players. It's not really in their natural, biological, genetic programming anyway.

    A woman could, possibly, hypothetically, prove me wrong. But they won't. They probably can't. And they probably shouldn't anyway.

    The feminists, and feminism, is flatly wrong. Men and women are not equal. And should not be equal. It's fine the way it is, with traditional gender-roles, expectations, and relationships. Men do somethings. Women do others. Men play in the NFL, throw the ball, catch the ball, make some touchdowns. Women use sex to seduce the NFL football players. Each to their own devices. Women feel insecure about this fact. They say, "aren't I more than just my sex". Yes, women can be "more than sex". But that is on women to prove and explain, to justify. If a woman wants to be "more than her sex", then she must prove how and why. I don't see any men saying "I am more than my sex". Because men must already compensate, by being NFL football players. By being engineers. By being priests. By being politicians. By being janitors and sewer cleaners. By doing everything else.

    All men must do things, to compensate for the low sexual value of "being a man". Women don't need to, don't have to "do things".
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:57 pm

    Women will say that you are "bashing women" and "misogynist" if you speak about the unspoken-truth, of gender inequality and female-privilege, and that women can't be (or simply won't be) NFL football players. But this a logical fallacy. Just because women, themselves, don't want to be NFL football players, doesn't mean I hate women. It actually more proves the point that I "love women" than hate women. Because it means I'm protecting women from their own stupidity. I'm preventing a completely naive and ignorant woman, from trying-out on the NFL football team, because she's going to get some bones broken or severely concusted. She's going to get her face smashed in.

    So philosophers should protect women, from their own stupidity and naivety. No, you're not NFL football players, and your probably shouldn't ever try to become one.

    Just like women are not Philosophers, and probably should never become one. You'll get your brain caved in, your ideas shatters. Your fantasies and romanticism, your female-privilege, would come crashing down.


    And for women, that's too much to bear. Women will continue to be naive, innocent, delusional, and completely irresponsible, held to the lowest standards of rigor, logic, and rationality.

    Again, this is protecting women from themselves, and this notion of "Gender Equality".


    You're not an NFL football player. You're not a philosopher. You can pretend to be one. But you'll never be one. And probably, you should never try. Let the NFL football players do their thing. Let the philosophers do our thing.
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby WendyDarling » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:39 pm

    Yes, women can be "more than sex". But that is on women to prove and explain, to justify. If a woman wants to be "more than her sex", then she must prove how and why.

    Being "more than sex" is what women are exploring currently and sure not all their areas of investigation are going to be beneficial to women overall, but women need to experience their range of abilities and those accompanying limits, just as men have throughout time. Women are discovering their newly held freedom to pursue what may seem crazy to men, such as becoming football players, but it's a step towards determining what a woman's capabilities are. I agree that there are differences between the biology of the sexes and what it allows them to readily do, but women are experimenting to see how small or wide that gap between the physical prowess between the sexes is. As a woman, through bodybuilding in the past, I realized that my legs and back are crazy strong for I was leg pressing 800lbs. It took a male trainer lying to me by downplaying my strength to open my eyes; he loaded up the machines with heavier weight but told me I was lifting low amounts of weight.

    So, what women are doing is research although it's not official scientific research, its personal research to reach their limits regarding physical abilities as well as possibly figuring out new ways of accomplishing the same feats that were set up by men. I support their undertaking to test their mettle (so to speak), but direct competition between men and women in the physical arena would never be equal, nor do I advocate such. One simple answer as to the why a woman would return from her physical conquests to test her mettle, would be to confirm her fitness to produce healthy, strong, physically capable offspring on her end of the sexual pairing, adding to the genetic superiority of both her male and female offspring. Such female experimentation could also result in greater self-confidence and self-sufficiency so a male companion doesn't have to baby their female partner every minute of the day. In the very least, these highly physical female undertakings are maintaining a women's mental and physical health so long as they are explored safely without serious self-harm. Imbalanced hormones may prompt these investigations to begin with where a woman's estrogen is on the lower side and her testosterone is elevated above normal on average. I think men should encourage women to discover their physical strengths, but also understand that a physically confident woman will not be as much of a pushover as a women with no knowledge of her overall physical prowess.
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby WendyDarling » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:43 pm

    Zero_Sum wrote:To counter against neo liberal feminism a conservative feminist movement I think must be created to counter balance against it one that enshrines tradition, family, values, and loyalty to the nation state but also doesn't negate against the independence of women.

    There needs to be a conservative platform of feminism. It isn't enough to criticize women and denounce them where this will do nothing in reconciling values between men or women. That is a losing futile position to begin with. We need to bring men and women together again if possible. Men are nothing on their own and it is the same with women vice versa.

    I agree that a conservative counter movement needs to officially be established.
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:56 pm

    WendyDarling wrote:
    Zero_Sum wrote:To counter against neo liberal feminism a conservative feminist movement I think must be created to counter balance against it one that enshrines tradition, family, values, and loyalty to the nation state but also doesn't negate against the independence of women.

    There needs to be a conservative platform of feminism. It isn't enough to criticize women and denounce them where this will do nothing in reconciling values between men or women. That is a losing futile position to begin with. We need to bring men and women together again if possible. Men are nothing on their own and it is the same with women vice versa.

    I agree that a conservative counter movement needs to officially be established.


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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby URUZ » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:00 pm

    Urwrongx1000 wrote:
    UrGod wrote:It is the easiest thing in the world for a woman to give a man the entire world, and it is the easiest thing in the world for a woman to tear down a man's entire world. They have this power, and only in true relationships of close friendship or love does the commensurate responsibility emerge in woman to use this power well, to not use it toward abusive and destructive ends. A woman who is abusive toward men because of this power she has over him is only destroying herself, but the hope is that given enough time of doing that she will develop knowledge around it and learn how to stop using this power in those ways.

    And now I am seeing how feminism is part of this reaction to female power over men and to the need for it to be used responsibly: feminism is a dualistic ideology that includes aspects good and bad for women, and there is as yet no way to balance those two sides of feminism together, loosely the "original feminism" and the new "third wave" feminism. Female empowerment and responsibility is a demand on both men and women to respect the conditions necessary for the development of woman's responsible use of her power over men. This is in man's best interests as well. Man wants and needs a true partner in a woman, someone with equal substance which requires her to be in possession of a truly free and courageous soul.

    The modern, western world, has forsaken morality (personal and social responsibility) in almost every way. Women are not acting responsibly (toward men, marriage, family, and relationships) just as men are not acting responsibly in many ways too (drug abuse, apathy, "men going their own way", rebelling against the system). However female irresponsibility is a taboo topic. Although men can be regularly criticized for any and all numbers of behaviors, females invoke their "female privilege" to avoid accusations of blame altogether.

    For example, who is to blame for high-divorce rates throughout society? Women? Men? Both??? This needs to be investigated philosophically. Perhaps women are more to blame than men. But the full topic needs to be uncovered, without bias. Women need to be "attacked", if it means getting to the truth. Women hate and detest any sort of 'blame', responsibility, accountability, etc. So good luck with pointing at women, for societal problems.

    In patriarchal systems, females must follow strict rules or be punished, or ousted from those systems. Western liberal-leftist ideology has taken in most of the 'outcast' women, saying that "all is forgivable". So women have flocked to liberal-leftism, the privilege, of being even more blameless and irresponsible than ever before. Women hate being judged, for example, for being promiscuous with sex. Any "conservative" or "right" ideology will be attacked, by women.

    Recently, for example, Pandora has made the counter-argument several times, that if you dislike women having sex with multiple men, then you "must be" an Islamic-Muslim Paedophile Fascist. No middle ground, with women, you are a Fascist, or, women can do whatever they want without repercussions. You are a "good guy" if you date a woman who has been in 12 previous relationships, and has 5 previous children, which you must provide for. And you are a "bad guy" if you want a less experienced woman without children.


    UrGod wrote:Philosophy has thus far been a male enterprise, and this has indeed left out women from (some of) the benefits of development of consciousness or "soul" that men, at least some men, enjoy. But obviously part of the reaction on the part of women and feminism is away from the initial problem rather than toward addressing it, because denial is usually easier than finding answers; this impulse away from the problem is all of the man hating, pink hair dike SJW third wave feminist shit we have to deal with today.

    This is false.

    Men do not "drive women away" from Philosophy. Rather it is that women simply have no interest in philosophy. It's like women and football. Women will be Cheerleaders. But they won't be actual NFL football players. They lack the ability, physique, and mentality. Same with philosophy. Women simply won't participate in the actual "doing of philosophy". But they will sit on the sidelines (of "feminist" philosophers) and cheer for them.


    I never said men drive women away from philosophy. And I already said as much that women aren’t so much interested in it. And I gave some explanation for that.

    Please try to pay better attention.
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby URUZ » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:00 pm

    Quoting something that I never said is lying. Don’t do that.
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    Re: Female power over men

    Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:09 pm

    UrGod wrote:Philosophy has thus far been a male enterprise, and this has indeed left out women from (some of) the benefits of development of consciousness or "soul" that men, at least some men, enjoy.

    This is what you wrote, since you need the reminder. You're welcome.
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