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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Serendipper » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:37 pm

Serendipper wrote:Coincidentally, I was just now rummaging through my Watts collection to see if I could find where he said "nothing can be more egotistical than true repentance."

Found it! Gonna post it here so I don't lose it.

FWD to 1:09:00



It also contains the bit about the element of irreducible rascality, the left and right hand of god, the Yetzer Hara, hide and seek.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:25 pm

In an African village for instance lying about a man committing rape could get the accused stoned to death by the villagers before getting a chance to prove his innocence of the act first.


Rajm (رجم) is an Arabic word that means "stoning". It is commonly used to refer to the Hudud punishment wherein an organized group throws stones at a convicted individual until that person dies. Under Islamic law, it is the prescribed punishment in cases of adultery committed by a married man or married woman.




In barbaric countries, men falsely accuse women of crimes to see them put to death as well. It's cheaper and less humiliating than divorce to falsely accuse your wife of adultery and have her erased from existence, but who would then marry such a man afterwards? King Henry VIII had no trouble finding dumdums, one after the next.

Overall, women are averagely more intelligent than men, so how does that even happen to women? Gullibility?
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Serendipper » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:39 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Overall, women are averagely more intelligent than men, so how does that even happen to women? Gullibility?

The computer beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing! You may be smarter, but I am stronger, so go make me a sandwich before you get stoned :lol:

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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby URUZ » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:08 pm

Let’s play chess sometime.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Serendipper » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:24 am

UrGod wrote:Let’s play chess sometime.

I suck at that game because I'm too adept at missing the obvious :-? A long time ago I was figuring how much phone cord I'd need to run along and up n down walls in my apartment so I could have the phone closer to the computer when my friend said "You dumbass, get a cordless phone from walmart for $20 and put it wherever you want!" That's when I realized there was no hope for me :lol:

You ever watch the Great Carlini?

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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:01 am

WendyDarling wrote:
In an African village for instance lying about a man committing rape could get the accused stoned to death by the villagers before getting a chance to prove his innocence of the act first.


Rajm (رجم) is an Arabic word that means "stoning". It is commonly used to refer to the Hudud punishment wherein an organized group throws stones at a convicted individual until that person dies. Under Islamic law, it is the prescribed punishment in cases of adultery committed by a married man or married woman.




In barbaric countries, men falsely accuse women of crimes to see them put to death as well. It's cheaper and less humiliating than divorce to falsely accuse your wife of adultery and have her erased from existence, but who would then marry such a man afterwards? King Henry VIII had no trouble finding dumdums, one after the next.

Overall, women are averagely more intelligent than men, so how does that even happen to women? Gullibility?

I remember my liberal high school English teacher Mr. Fowler showed us a raw, unedited clip of Muslim women being stoned to death.
That was the first time I saw it and it was quite shocking.

Now I'm far from an expert on Islamic law, but if it's anything like biblical law, and I imagine it is, it should be nearly as easy for a wife to have her husband executed for committing adultery.
But if it isn't, than yes, that is an injustice.

There are injustices committed by society specifically targeting women, and there are injustices committed by society specifically targeting men, and both need to be corrected.
We cannot expect feminists/progressives to be the ideology/party for both women's, and men's rights.
If you do your research you will find, they're only interested in promoting women's rights, often at the expense of men's.
They believe men aren't and have never been disadvantaged in any way, shape or form by society.
either we need a men's rights movement comparable to feminism, or we need to dispense with feminism altogether, and have a gender/sex rights movement looking out for the interests of both genders/sexes.

For a long time men were ahead of women on iQ tests, and now it appears women have caught up.
How much of that is because the tests have been redesigned to achieve sexual parity is debatable.
From my research tests have been partly redesigned with this objective in mind.
Intelligence tests are partly subjective, partly objective, they were designed by white people, more specifically white Frenchmen originally, and white people tend to value certain kinds of intelligences over others, and they probably tend to be ones they're also good at.

If women tend to be more ahead of men now, it's probably only by a point or two.
The more interesting difference is not the overall difference of a couple of points, but that women's language skills tend to be significantly better than men's, and men's visual spatial skills significantly better than women's.

All that being said, this fact remains: almost everything invented, has been invented by men, recently mostly white men, and historically mostly caucasian men, and that's just as an important indicator of intelligence as iQ tests.
Perhaps women will catch up one day in that department too, as they're becoming more educated, but at this point it remains to be seen.
The coming advances in science, society and technology will almost certainly by and large be invented by men, mainly white men at that, and to a lesser extent Asian men.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:54 am

WendyDarling wrote:
In an African village for instance lying about a man committing rape could get the accused stoned to death by the villagers before getting a chance to prove his innocence of the act first.


Rajm (رجم) is an Arabic word that means "stoning". It is commonly used to refer to the Hudud punishment wherein an organized group throws stones at a convicted individual until that person dies. Under Islamic law, it is the prescribed punishment in cases of adultery committed by a married man or married woman.




In barbaric countries, men falsely accuse women of crimes to see them put to death as well. It's cheaper and less humiliating than divorce to falsely accuse your wife of adultery and have her erased from existence, but who would then marry such a man afterwards? King Henry VIII had no trouble finding dumdums, one after the next.

Overall, women are averagely more intelligent than men, so how does that even happen to women? Gullibility?



As bad as that is I've seen videos online of men tied to giant rubber tires and set on fire burned alive for allegedly raping women. It's out there and certainly does exist.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby URUZ » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:06 am

Fuck all barbarian scum. I don’t care what imaginary friends they have.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:18 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:I mean it comes down to this, a single person, let alone all of society, isn't going to change their opinion of you, and start hating you on the basis of what one racist said about your race, and furthermore the racist may have said something benign, like I just want to preserve my race, not exterminate or subjugate other races, or I think Italians are too emotional, gregarious and jovial, where as if you falsely accuse someone of rape, you will probably ruin that individuals life overnight.

I think what Wendy is saying is that lying isn't a physical attack or altercation as rape is thereby being less severe by comparison, with that being said however lying about rape can cause extreme physical risks or attacks on the person accused. :-k

In an African village for instance lying about a man committing rape could get the accused stoned to death by the villagers before getting a chance to prove his innocence of the act first.

There is suppose to be due process of law in the west even with rape but radical feminists seem to want to get rid of that where a person can be jailed for accusation alone.

Carleas statement of racism being equal to murder is ridiculous and ignores ethnocentrism that is prevalent in all cultures the world over.

While acts of violence such as rape are many times worse than false accusations of rape in and of themselves, as you say, false accusations of rape can lead to acts of violence.

Here's what I think is fair: the penalty for false rape accusations should be decided on a case by case basis.

If someone makes a false rape claim against you, and hardly anyone believes them, and the only thing it does is cause you some emotional stress, than the penalty should mostly cover that emotional stress, and to a lesser extent the potential for things to have gotten much worse had you been less lucky.

However, if the false rape accusation causes you to lose your job and be shunned by your friends, family and community, than the false rape accuser should be punished with those things in mind, and should have to financially compensate you for loss employment, as well as go to jail for the extreme emotional stress you underwent, the ruining of your life.

And if it causes you to be physically assaulted by someone, than it just as, or nearly as bad as rape, and the false accuser should go away for 10 or 15 years.

So I think assessing the damages on a case by case basis for false rape accusation is the fair way to do things, I mean it's usually fairest way.

No a false rape accusation isn't always as bad as rape itself, I was stretching it before, but it certainly has the potential to be, depending on how things unfold.
The worse the consequences, the higher the penalty.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:24 am

Gloominary wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:I mean it comes down to this, a single person, let alone all of society, isn't going to change their opinion of you, and start hating you on the basis of what one racist said about your race, and furthermore the racist may have said something benign, like I just want to preserve my race, not exterminate or subjugate other races, or I think Italians are too emotional, gregarious and jovial, where as if you falsely accuse someone of rape, you will probably ruin that individuals life overnight.

I think what Wendy is saying is that lying isn't a physical attack or altercation as rape is thereby being less severe by comparison, with that being said however lying about rape can cause extreme physical risks or attacks on the person accused. :-k

In an African village for instance lying about a man committing rape could get the accused stoned to death by the villagers before getting a chance to prove his innocence of the act first.

There is suppose to be due process of law in the west even with rape but radical feminists seem to want to get rid of that where a person can be jailed for accusation alone.

Carleas statement of racism being equal to murder is ridiculous and ignores ethnocentrism that is prevalent in all cultures the world over.

While acts of violence such as rape are many times worse than false accusations of rape in and of themselves, as you say, false accusations can lead to acts of violence.
Here's what I thinks fair, the penalty for a false rape accusation should be decided on a case by case basis.
If someone makes a false rape claim against you, and hardly anyone believes them, and the only thing it does is cause you some emotional stress, than the penalty should mostly cover that emotional stress, but also the potential for things to get much worse, had you been less lucky.
However, if the false rape accusations causes you to lose your job and be shunned by your friends, family and job, than false accuser should be punished with those things in mind, and should have to financially compensate you for loss employment, as well as go to jail for the extreme emotional stress, ruining your life.
And if it causes you to be physically assaulted by someone, than, it just as, or nearly as bad as rape, and false accuser should go away for 10 or 15 years.
So I think assessing the damages on a case by case basis of a false accusation is the fair way to do things, I mean it's usually fairest way.
No a false rape accusation isn't always as bad as rape itself, I was stretching it before, but it certainly has the potential to be, and can be, depending on how things unfold.



Sure, as you say a case by case basis. :wink:
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:09 am

@Zero Sum

Sure, as you say a case by case basis. :wink:

Right on. :)
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:12 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Serendipper wrote:
Gloominary wrote:According to statistics mainstream liberals like to use, most people who're, charged, with rape end up being convicted, and so their twisted logic goes: we're justified in presuming guilt, siding with the accuser and destroying the lives of men who've been accused of rape or sexual harassment, because they're probably guilty anyway.


"They're probably guilty anyway" because they're part of a class or category of people who do such things.

"Twisted logic liberals like to use" - "Liberals" are a class or category of people who do such things.

You're essentially doing what you're complaining about: the sweeping demonization of people for belonging to a class.

Generalizations are only generally good, but that's ok since "men" are systemizers ;) and it's perfectly natural :)



Don't forget the systemic hypocrisy of liberals that talk about the equality of human beings but have no problems supporting endless chain migration into a nation that essentially drops people's wages down where if you criticize it you're a racist. The same kind of liberals that pays Jose eight bucks to mow their yard, pays Rosita minimum wages to do their laundry, and pays Manuel less than minimum wage to wash dishes in their high end luxury restaurant that they own on the liberal side of town.

Yes, we can't forget about that, that is perhaps the worst form of injustice of all. :wink:

And liberals, neoliberals and 'neoconservatives' are responsible for it, but true conservatives, which we're in short supply of, would never have allowed it to happen.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:38 am

@Zero Sum

That's what really bothers me about the bullshit left-right political spectrum in North America.

You're either right or left, conservative and liberal.

Well no, there are some things I am very conservative on while there are other things I am left leaning on mostly on economy. It never occurs to retards or the lowest common denominator that there are those in the middle of the spectrum like myself. I have both conservative and left leaning views on society.

exactly, people say you're either wholly left or right.
A few people who're a little more astute recognize there's shades of grey in between left/right.
And a few people who're even a little more astute recognize you can be extremely left on issues, like the economy, and extremely right on other issues, like on social issues.
And a few people who're even more astute recognize there's many issues both the left and right in America agree on, like say that representative democracy (as opposed to direct democracy on the one hand, or dictatorship on the other) is a good idea, or that mass immigration is a good idea.
even Trump is in favor of mass immigration, he just doesn't want illegal immigration, or so he says, he probably hired many illegals in the past, we'll see what becomes of the great wall of America.

Then there is the whole if you don't support Donald Trump you must be a leftist, democrat, or Hillary Clinton supporter bullshit. No, I fucking hate both of them! I hate the fucking democratic and republican party equally! For fuck's sake!

Hillary and Donald have a lot more in common than people care to realize, fundamentally they're both agents of wall street, and they're both in favor of corporate welfare benefitting big business at the taxpayers expense, meanwhile doing virtually nothing to bailout main street.
They both believe in the expansion of the American military, in American imperialism, they differ only on minute details, if that, of how that expansion ought to be carried out.
Trump will start a new war, in spite of his promises to put America first, I'm almost certain every American president has started a new one since WW2.

"You don't like capitalism? You must be a communist." I don't fucking like either system you bitch ass cunts! National Socialism is the third position much like Mussolini's corporatist fascist model was. That's what world war II was all about because the third positionists couldn't be controlled by the central banking of London or New York City who incidentally funded the 1917 Russian communist revolution from their capitalist compounds.

There's many positions, and as we've noted before there's a difference between national fascism or corporatism, and national socialism, you can have a nationalism that's more supportive of big business, and a nationalism that's more supportive of the working class, and you and I are in favor of the latter, where as Mussolini was more in favor of the former, altho he did enact some policies to help the working poor as well, to his credit.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:59 pm

No a false rape accusation isn't always as bad as rape itself,I was stretching it before, but it certainly has the potential to be, depending on how things unfold.

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